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- 12 Oct 2012 23:09
- Forum: Military Issues Archive
- Topic: Indian Naval Discussion
- Replies: 5409
- Views: 743950
Re: Indian Naval Discussion
'Today a sarkari babu takes his cut, tomorrow a suited booted MBA will take his. The enemy is corruption, not capitalism, socialism, & other isms.' "really,,,,,the essence is that the MBA can and will be prosecuted by a babu but in our present system a babu can only be prosecuted by another...
- 12 Oct 2012 22:59
- Forum: Military Issues Archive
- Topic: Indian Naval Discussion
- Replies: 5409
- Views: 743950
Re: Indian Naval Discussion
dear nakul, i agree that corruption is universal. i have a problem with the extent of it. somehow i feel that you just don't get what i am trying to say. a private enterprise will not hit his own bottom line or top line or whatever. It will still try to be competitive depending on the environment. c...
- 12 Oct 2012 22:48
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
- Replies: 3969
- Views: 536709
Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
"Janani Janma-bhoomi-scha Swargadapi Gariyasi" .....There is nothing beyond the motherland...if tomorrow GOI has to storm a Hindu place of worship to flush out anti-national elements, not a tear will I shed. +1 Totally agree not a tear,,,,even if it was tirupati or madurai..... religion c...
- 12 Oct 2012 22:42
- Forum: Military Issues Archive
- Topic: Indian Naval Discussion
- Replies: 5409
- Views: 743950
Re: Indian Naval Discussion
a clarification.
i am a capitalist, i.e. a champion of capitalism and free enterprise.
my earlier post didn't actually directly reflect that.
i am a capitalist, i.e. a champion of capitalism and free enterprise.
my earlier post didn't actually directly reflect that.
- 12 Oct 2012 22:31
- Forum: Military Issues Archive
- Topic: Indian Naval Discussion
- Replies: 5409
- Views: 743950
Re: Indian Naval Discussion
no system or sub system is or can be totally indigenous. as capitalism is competition without discipline, socialism is Marxism without discipline and communism is Marxism with discipline. we are still policy wise a deeply socialist military industrial complex that has absolutely no incentive for inn...
- 22 Apr 2011 05:15
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
- Replies: 610
- Views: 197578
Re: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
Every Indian should understand this saying -----' do not make the perfect the enemy of the good"
- 22 Apr 2011 05:13
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
- Replies: 610
- Views: 197578
Re: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
"Please remember, those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it." i agree with your comment. we flogged a losing horse for 50 years and are condemned to repeat it. someone a couple of decades back back tried to set us right and our present prosperity is a debt we owe to hi...
- 22 Apr 2011 04:54
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
- Replies: 610
- Views: 197578
Re: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
50 years for a research project???? It would make sense if you you were a manager in HAL. it wont for anyone else.
- 22 Apr 2011 04:52
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
- Replies: 610
- Views: 197578
Re: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
IF I can model you, you cannot hide. NO way. buying out tech and manufacturing plants Absolutely nothing original about that. In fact, it is, very, very predictable. (Compare that to Indian AMCA or even the LCA. See the amount of riskS that "India" took. Or is willing to take.) good luck ...
- 22 Apr 2011 04:19
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
- Replies: 610
- Views: 197578
Re: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
China, IMHO is the least of the factors. Outside of the fact that they are (currently) the world's best xerox shop, they have made enough countries sit up and take notice of their waging tail. I understand that they are investing very heavily in research, etc, etc, etc...... but it takes about 35 y...
- 21 Apr 2011 22:34
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
- Replies: 610
- Views: 197578
Re: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
There is no Gripen NG. It will happen if we commit 10 billion dollars.
- 21 Apr 2011 22:30
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
- Replies: 610
- Views: 197578
Re: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
There is no Gripen NG. It will happen if commit 10 billion dollars.SaiK wrote:any latest status on Gripen NG?
- 21 Apr 2011 22:28
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
- Replies: 610
- Views: 197578
Re: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
I am happy that somehow some sanity and logic has returned to this esteemed forum. what I've observed is that now no one seems to be questioning the advantage that the american birds will bring to the IAF. Everyone seems to be concentrating on the negatives. There aren't too many except for the cons...
- 02 Apr 2011 03:23
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
- Replies: 610
- Views: 197578
Re: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
nihat and nachiketa,
the euro twins may be the favourites but they are also the most expensive. probably that will kill them both.
the euro twins may be the favourites but they are also the most expensive. probably that will kill them both.
- 01 Apr 2011 23:28
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
- Replies: 610
- Views: 197578
Re: MRCA News and Discussion - March 2011
somehow all we are bothered about is whether the cat is white or brown. we just dont care whether it can catch any mice becos we really dont care that it will. its very fortituis that i happened to read a quote by Chamberlain today that the Indians are so very keen on America's support but just dont...
- 01 Mar 2011 23:12
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
LSA is vital for the IN. No other service will be affected. we give logistics support to the USAF on case to case basis. in the last decade we havent denied the USAF and the USN has not denied the IN or vice versa even on a case to case basis. what this agreement entails is that both countries will ...
- 01 Mar 2011 22:21
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
the facts are there in my posts. its a 1650km ROA vs 340 nm, its a 125 KN engine vs a 90 KN one, its 4.5 tonnes vs 2.5 tonnes meaningful payload, its an endurance of 2-30 vs 1-30 hrs, its aesa now against aesa later, its about A-A, A-G, ARM, LACM, etc against future capabilities. at the same price....
- 01 Mar 2011 21:39
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
To better oneself is the nature of successful organisations and individuals. our L1 norms and risk averse nature has resulted in some amazing status quo's. the TOT recieved during the build of the Nilgiri Class has survived even to this day, when the private sector is supplying components for the Da...
- 01 Mar 2011 21:13
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
to Rajanb and Nrao:
China independently developed a double delta wing with increased internal fuel. it also introduced indegenous engines with greater thrust. IIT's, notwithstanding we just couldnt do it. or should i say HAL couldnt.
China independently developed a double delta wing with increased internal fuel. it also introduced indegenous engines with greater thrust. IIT's, notwithstanding we just couldnt do it. or should i say HAL couldnt.
- 27 Feb 2011 03:49
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
malli, You want to make statements without backing them up with facts and reasoning? OK..but do not expect any of us to take you seriously. This is my last post to you on this matter. Man, the MRCA thread has really gone to dogs. No wonder that most of the knowledgeable folks hardly take a look aro...
- 27 Feb 2011 02:44
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
Malli F-16IN is inferior to Grippen if there are restrictions and monitoring activities which come with F-16IN are absent with Grippen. F-16IN is inferior if the source code of its AESA radar is not available, unlike in the case of Grippen, where it will be available. And your point regarding the t...
- 27 Feb 2011 02:29
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
India wants fighter jets – but without American baggage If Govt of India and the IAF know that they will not be able to get US aircraft with the required configuration, I wonder as to why F16 and F18 were even considered as contenders? Waste of time and money. It is a way to create a lobby. The lob...
- 27 Feb 2011 01:39
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
India wants fighter jets – but without American baggage This arrow is aimed directly at the heart of Grippen. :( :( :( give me break sidor. everything that you mentioned as being denied except for the source codes is a requirement of the IAF as the protocols are different. we definitely dont want t...
- 27 Feb 2011 00:38
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
Malli, Answering your post above I will first mention that I am swedish and Gripen fanboy. I am aware about this and stating this view clearly give anyone reading this post the opportunity to give my thoughts a more accurate and unbiased weight. But, I find that you on the other hand argue in a qui...
- 25 Feb 2011 00:10
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
RahulM, There are cursory reports of FSU/Afghan AF planes being challenged by TSPA F-16s in the mid 80s. it was covered very well in the media at that time. the russians claimed that a TSPA F16 was shot down by a Mig 21 while Time magazine wrote that it was a friendly fire incident. Much later TSPA...
- 24 Feb 2011 23:39
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
malli, Frankly, this is getting a bit tiresome. So, to repeat jai's question, what is your point? there was no question in my last two posts. the point was that we all need to come out of the imperialism/ cold war prism and choose the best. Forget conspiracy theories. they are the last refuge of th...
- 24 Feb 2011 22:53
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
tommorrows question. are you guys sure that the rafale is superior to the F-16IN? Yes.... !! the original question... are you guys all sure that the f-16in is inferior to the gripen?? Yes...... !!! Yes...... !!! We do not like Khan stuff that comes with conditions .......anything else in the compet...
- 24 Feb 2011 22:47
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
Malli F-16IN is inferior to Grippen if there are restrictions and monitoring activities which come with F-16IN are absent with Grippen. F-16IN is inferior if the source code of its AESA radar is not available, unlike in the case of Grippen, where it will be available. And your point regarding the t...
- 23 Feb 2011 01:27
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
err, I wasn't talking of the gripen at all. you raised a specific point and I believe I made a reply relevant to that particular point. why on earth are you assuming I'm arguing for gripen ? :lol: that was really good. i assumed as an administrator you reflect the forums view. i was mistaken. i wis...
- 23 Feb 2011 01:23
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
tommorrows question.
are you guys sure that the rafale is superior to the F-16IN?
are you guys sure that the rafale is superior to the F-16IN?
- 23 Feb 2011 01:21
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
the original question...
are you guys all sure that the f-16in is inferior to the gripen??
are you guys all sure that the f-16in is inferior to the gripen??
- 23 Feb 2011 01:09
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
newbee here again, there's been so much discussions about source codes and tot?? Our great and ever great hyped PSU's have not even changed the the source codes of surface navigation radars. A selesmar radar is available for 74 lakhs in the open market while the armed forces have to buy the same sh...
- 23 Feb 2011 00:57
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
rahul, forget natgeo.. what will military history tell you three decades hence??? are you really serious that the f-16in with a 1650 km ROA with 4 AMRAAMs is inferior to a superbly handling Gripen with a 340 nm ROA? Has anyone thought that that the flight software of the gripen is the same as the f-...
- 23 Feb 2011 00:45
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
the original question...Drishyaman wrote:Are you trying to put your words in my mouth?malli wrote:so are planning to face china tommorrow without the backup of satellites and missiles???
are you guys all sure that the f-16in is inferior to the gripen??
- 23 Feb 2011 00:39
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
i am very surprised with this argument. firstly TSP never \had more than 52 teens. They could not afford more. Till 2005 all they had was only F-16A/B s with no BVRAAM. Its passe to blame unkil for everything but he could have given AMRAAMs in 1996 to TSP. he didnt. we all can keep arguing but as e...
- 23 Feb 2011 00:16
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
the original question...
are you guys all sure that the f-16in is inferior to the gripen??
are you guys all sure that the f-16in is inferior to the gripen??
- 23 Feb 2011 00:11
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
my views are very very simple. these birds had double the range of our soviet birds, they were more serviceable and 52 of them were enough to deter us when they were operational. the jags with the asm had a range of 300 nm while the teens had a range of 520 nm. it makes operational planning very ve...
- 23 Feb 2011 00:09
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
I wonder what if TSP had 100/150 F16.. perhaps we would have surrendered Kashmir. and in case PAF managed to have 200 of them.. we would have ceded some of our territory as well. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: i am very surprised with this argument. firstly TSP never \had more than 52 teens. They could no...
- 23 Feb 2011 00:02
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
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- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
>> correct me if i am wrong no MIG has beaten a Teen since the 60's. firstly, the teens entered service in mid to late 70's. therefore it was impossible for a mig to beat a teen in 60's when they didn't exist. after that, when did the teens ever face migs on something even remotely approaching leve...
- 22 Feb 2011 23:39
- Forum: Trash Can Archive
- Topic: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
- Replies: 3205
- Views: 899951
Re: MRCA Discussion - October 2, 2010
the original question...
are you guys all sure that the f-16in is inferior to the gripen??
are you guys all sure that the f-16in is inferior to the gripen??