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by Taygibay
01 Dec 2011 22:08
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

@Septimus_P & ** ( sic )

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Stooping to your level, I just cannot do.

you just did. kindly do not repeat.
Rahul.
by Taygibay
01 Dec 2011 18:16
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

The french suck and there is no honor in keep delusioning themselves or others saying they had the best in competition, it was an unfair competition to begin with. Easy to say when secure behind an internet con nection huh Troll? You have once again rendered anything you can say worthless by adding...
by Taygibay
01 Dec 2011 06:20
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Agreed, CainMarko! Roughly 250 by 350 km in size, most fighting in between 4k meters mountains and France, Germany and Italy surrounding them. Here are examples of their planes' environment : http://www.wat.tv/video/swiss-air-force-push-the-limit-1xzv2_2i4rd_.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbSy...
by Taygibay
01 Dec 2011 02:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

The NG is not yet confirmed for production, sorry mate.
The prospective development yes but not the AC itself as of now.

Next the MS21 (Gripen E/F) project is to begin circa 2015, depending on the needs of a possible foreign partner.[39]

22 ACs won't cut it. :)
by Taygibay
01 Dec 2011 02:44
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

The Gripen NG being inferior to the F/A-18 C/D is nonsense- Except that the AC is the Gripen C/D, Kartik, not the NG. My assesment was that the choice is very coherent to the economic situation and supported by Ruag's links to the Swedish AC. I personally also think that it would be sufficient to c...
by Taygibay
30 Nov 2011 20:48
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Kelesis mate, the UAE and Brazil were heavily political sales. One was a tender, the other an FMS type agreement and Koweït is unrelated. I wholy agree that it is not good news of course but not to your opinion that it will not be cancelled although it should not IMHO. As for India, the more difficu...
by Taygibay
30 Nov 2011 19:53
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Complete translation does not say exactly the same! The original text speaks of possible gripping in the possible buy of the Gripen. In a nutshell, the Council would have chosen the Gripen Uli Mauer would have pressed for it on price account according to sources related to the tender and this : Pilo...
by Taygibay
30 Nov 2011 03:32
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

@Septimus_P I generally agree that Arthuro is heavy-handed on that Swiss contest but it would help your point tremendously not to make such mistakes as saying : We also know Raffy is the most expensive one especially when I took the time to translate it earlier, i.e. : Gripen 3 millions, Ef 4 M and ...
by Taygibay
29 Nov 2011 20:02
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

^^^^^

Well SaiK my friend, he might have seen it as negative ...
for Eurofighter :!: :rotfl:
by Taygibay
29 Nov 2011 19:35
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/verbatim/4/130746/india-must-act-on-mmrca-offsets.html This guy might have read my posts, LOL. The emphasis is on the EF side but the main point in his argumentation is the same : India needs to secure the most industrial benefits it possibly can from ...
by Taygibay
29 Nov 2011 00:25
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

I agree with Kashi. Septimus, the IAF could manage but ... not only would it worsen the logistics but more important, there would be difficulties with two HAL prod lines AND it would be much harder for the MoD-I/GoI to negociate properly a split order. Lets choose one and extract the maximum coopera...
by Taygibay
27 Nov 2011 03:40
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: JSF,"turkey or talisman"?
Replies: 2467
Views: 84347

Re: JSF,"turkey or talisman"?

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/130656/why-f_35-is-far-from-ideal-for-india.html Self-explanator, read guys. Also Norway will get 52 F-35s instead of 58 and will use them all from one base : OOrland http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/Vil-ha-fire-frre-kampfly-6705603.ht...
by Taygibay
26 Nov 2011 06:14
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
Replies: 3977
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Here gang is a better source after that joke : [url]L’avion le moins cher reste le Gripen avec une offre à environ 3 milliards, alors que l’Eurofighter ferme la marche à environ 4 milliards. Le Rafale est quant à lui entre les deux.[/url] http://psk.blog.24heures.ch/archive/2011/11/03/avions-de-comb...
by Taygibay
26 Nov 2011 05:50
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Hey, Viv_S! http://www.lematin.ch/%5Bprimary-termpath-raw%5D/gripen-rafale-ou-eurofighter-quel-avion-remplacera-le-tiger-2011-11-08 Google trans this, as bad a source as yours if not worse giving : Rafale 150 million $ EF 100 million $ Gripen 40-60 million $ :!: :?: :rotfl: :wink: Don't trust them j...
by Taygibay
26 Nov 2011 03:13
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

I was only defending the plane's intrinsic value, Septimus. Otherwise agreed to Arthuro & you about "screw-ups". ( Sorry! ) Switzerland should pass but the rest will require a change. :oops: The present winner in this situation remains the IAF/MoD-I/GoI. They have all the bargaining to...
by Taygibay
25 Nov 2011 20:12
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Guys, did you all miss the red highlight in Arthuro's post or what? It says paper plane :!: Meaning that the then JSF as promised was not up to par? That would explain the slightish overhead. It may change. ( Actually, in the interest of the US govt and forces, it better :wink: ) Viv, the source is ...
by Taygibay
25 Nov 2011 01:40
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Thanx Tay, apologise for incorrect usage of words! The DTSA analysis does mention sensi radar components, targeting systems and safety systems. sadly, i myself haven't a clue on how ITAR and patents work. Since, part of Spectra come from the US and US based Thales labs I think the US will still hav...
by Taygibay
24 Nov 2011 20:55
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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@ Septimus_P Much better posting, thank you, mate! As you quoted : Although it does not appear that the tech data provided with the French bid violated ITAR regs, which along with should continue to monitor is not the same as you previously stated about "warned the French". About MICA, not...
by Taygibay
24 Nov 2011 05:05
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

For FoV we're talking near 180 deg for the ASRAAM, Aim-9X and IRIS-T, and 120 deg for the MICA. In addition to radar-homing, the AIM-120D has the assistance of GPS in tracking its target (though GPS is not nearly as effective against a fast-maneuvering target, let alone a moving target; it does giv...
by Taygibay
24 Nov 2011 01:18
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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±60 degrees Gimbal angles on the MICA, Viv_S which accounts for a 120 degrees FoV that is very coherent with a missile given as HOBA/HOBS and designed for both LOBL & LOAL. http://www.sagem-ds.com/IMG/pdf/D84E-MICA_Seeker.pdf The AMRAAM's solution is software induced BTW : The next AIM-120C-5 Ad...
by Taygibay
23 Nov 2011 19:42
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Relevant indeed, Brat : Says Air Vice Marshall (Retd) Kapil Kak, of the Centre for Air Power Studies, the IAF’s official think tank, “It is as clear as daylight. Selecting the EJ200 for the Tejas would boost the Eurofighter’s prospects in the MMRCA contest. To be linked to this brought by Karan_Mc i...
by Taygibay
23 Nov 2011 16:48
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

but can't deliver since the US has warned them against such bs marketing Could you provide a link, please? @Viv_S You still stated wrongly that the MICA is 60 deg off boresight. All quality present missiles can fire 180 BTW as the IRIS for instance. So add the HMCS to any fighter and use howled-nec...
by Taygibay
22 Nov 2011 23:19
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Meteor is coming to both EF & the Rafale, Katare. It could go on any fighter but yes AESA helps use. As far as what can go on the MMRCA, pretty much anything. If it is not included in the requirements, there will be an integration cost/contract but the planemaker will do it. There is a per need ...
by Taygibay
22 Nov 2011 21:53
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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And another Cassidian comm dept gullible victim to boot : At this stage there are no definite plans to fit the nozzle to any production Eurofighter. However Eurofighter, EuroJet and a number of consortium nations and other companies have indicated a desire to include the nozzle (if possible) in Tran...
by Taygibay
22 Nov 2011 05:37
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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^^^ Agreed with Cosmo and also, the offsets can be scaling up over time. I.E. now the birds are 100% foreign ( 18 first ones minimum ). Then they go to 20%, then 50. By the end of the production run they reach 65% and compensate for initial absence. Plus one can offer offsets from another sector. :w...
by Taygibay
21 Nov 2011 20:21
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Weird info, Shukla :-? I would have seen the exchange of those dashnines to India instead of the M2000H upgrade which may account for India's refusal easily*. But as is, it just doesn't cut it. It also barely fits with the instance on "Dassault's arrogance" by the nice Sheik ... unless tha...
by Taygibay
21 Nov 2011 06:58
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Also, the ASRAAM and IRIS-T have a 90 deg off-boresight lock-on capability unlike the MICA which is restricted to about 60 deg. N'importe quoi! "'Over-the-shoulder' Mica pushes limits ROBERT HEWSON Editor Jane Air-Launched Weapons London A French Air Force Dassault Rafale F2 has conducted an o...
by Taygibay
19 Nov 2011 19:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Warranted call by present situation, Nick_S ... but Concorde was never exported either and still is and will remain a legendary airplane. There's no direct relation. 8) But SPECTRA must be hard to sell anyway. All aspects cannot be fully demonstrated. First because the EW/defensive suit combo includ...
by Taygibay
18 Nov 2011 20:59
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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I can envisage both the vendors spending their time calculating costs, i.e. if they know the MoD's methodology. Also having to reply to clarifications and if they are unsure, using those clarifications to reduce their price, by giving a lower cost option if possible to justify. So if Dassault is ar...
by Taygibay
18 Nov 2011 17:25
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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LOL Rajanb. The due-process may be four weeks down but the noises will keep up until then. :rotfl: Once the decision falls, the shift in attention will go to the dual line of LCA Mk2 and AMCA until FGFA starts running. ( Those two threads will be my interest, Singha. ) One thing for sure, after unsu...
by Taygibay
17 Nov 2011 08:08
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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@Viv_S Budget pressures halt Eurofighter Tranche 3B talks, says Cassidian boss “There is nothing on the agenda this year or next year," Zoller said ... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/budget-pressures-halt-eurofighter-tranche-3b-talks-says-cassidian-boss-354941/ Which led to this : BA...
by Taygibay
16 Nov 2011 01:47
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Published: 19 Nov 2009 12:45 The date from your link, mate! at 10/21/2011 11:51 AM CDT and Nov 14, 2011 15:55 EST The dates from mine. :rotfl: Right on radar number of MMICs, wrong on supercruise. tall, good looking, and all-round perfect as you. The middle has been said, the other two are lies :P ...
by Taygibay
15 Nov 2011 20:41
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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^^^ Agreed Singha! It is the very certitude that went into the Rafale's design from the start. One plane able to replace all planes s fighter-bombers go and be able to do it all at all times. There is the case of the nuclear casings for the governmental authority's controls that comes close to recon...
by Taygibay
15 Nov 2011 18:23
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Sigh! Sounds like argumenting with the wife, "my possible is much more possible than your possible.". Sigh! 1. EF members have made noises about it in public so a downsizing of its future build order is imminent. Incorrect: Oh! Really? :!: The cuts the German defense ministry plans also in...
by Taygibay
15 Nov 2011 02:06
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3A27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3A4b61dd49-6dd6-4c7a-a564-2191071f0ed3&plckScript=blogScript&plckE...
by Taygibay
14 Nov 2011 09:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

Thanks Nick. That article seems very oriented towards an industry source from BAe and not as good as a word from the UAE govt but proper source so go with RFP for now. Which is interesting enough for a thread by itself. The change from the Rafale ( if it is what it is and not a complementary order t...
by Taygibay
14 Nov 2011 06:18
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Part 2
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Re: India selects Typhoon & Rafale for MMRCA shortlist - Par

@ Kelesis Sources have confirmed that the UK provided a formal briefing about the Typhoon to UAE officials on 17 October, after being asked to explore how it might meet future fast jet requirements From : http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dubai-uae-issues-shock-eurofighter-typhoon-request-36...

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