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by tyroneshoes
15 Jun 2012 12:08
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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Dravidian Languages vs Finno-Ugrian Extreme Alternate views: Dravidian Origin for the word for Horse :shock: Another fun paper: ON THE SUMERO-INDO-EUROPEAN LANGUAGE CONTACTS Most modern Indians are Multilingual. If you had not paid attention to my posts :P Subhash Kak's conclusion says it best: Ind...
by tyroneshoes
15 Jun 2012 11:39
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I posted this couple of pages ago, but will outline this again. We all pay attention to Cladwell and his deep seated prejudices creating Dravidian. However, we cannot ignore other British scholars who disagreed with what he did.... Who was Charles E. Grover - that guy caused considerable kujli to Ro...
by tyroneshoes
14 Jun 2012 11:47
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मनीष, भवान् कुतः आगच्छति? भवान् कुत्र गच्छति ? इन्द्र एव जानाति :mrgreen: For all I know you are a 'set up bot' to provide intellectual stimulus to the thread ;-) That is as far as I will go to question your motives or ideological leanings... :P Your ideas, on the other hand are nice set ups for deb...
by tyroneshoes
14 Jun 2012 03:18
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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मनीष, कः वृत्तान्तः ? बुद्धिमान् विवेकी सन् अपि भवान् किमर्थम् एतत् अवगन्तुं न शक्तवान् Parts of AIT I agree with : At the turn of 2nd millenium BC, the first speakers of a language which is a branch of indo-european family entered Indian subcontinent. The language now called 'Vedic Sanskrit' is de...
by tyroneshoes
13 Jun 2012 10:42
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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Did anyone use 'Aryan' at work yesterday in the Western World? It seems only Linguists can get away with using this racist term at work. Yet now Indian name their kids "Aryan" not "Arye" or "Arya" but "Aryan" :shock: Do you consider aryan a bad word? Meaning o...
by tyroneshoes
13 Jun 2012 03:10
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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^^^ Internet provides some anonymity. I do my posting since its stress release from "real" work for me :-) There are ideas (theories) and there is defense of those theories - this is the ancient way of the Vaidikas. Historic peer review would cause modern scholars to shudder! It was face t...
by tyroneshoes
12 Jun 2012 23:02
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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Perhaps it was all much older. The SDRE Dravidians and TFTA Aryans together invaded Europe long ago! :rotfl: Perhaps the melting ice from glaciation gave way to new migration routes westward.... Linearbandkeramik Culture Chronology of the LBK The earliest LBK sites are found in the Starcevo-Koros cu...
by tyroneshoes
12 Jun 2012 22:15
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Horse came. Copper tech picked up from Turkey. Winner people took their language all over along with horse. That is why the absence of significant horse remains in India becomes so significant to this story. Several points, so will use bullets: 1. Rig Veda talks more about Bulls, Cow, Kine than it ...
by tyroneshoes
12 Jun 2012 11:33
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Problem - is you chose not to understand the context of my pointer. The horse is central in RV theology because the largest number of "gods" ride them? But the supreme god is still not a horse - onlee a rider of the horse. If the RV world's pivot was the horse - you would expect a hose go...
by tyroneshoes
12 Jun 2012 10:36
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^^^ मनीष, क्यों 'ಬಿಸಿಲು ಕುದುರೆ' पे चढ़ा रहे हैं? (one more time!) ఆంగ్లం మాట్లాడలేని? లేదా హిందీ మాట్లాడటం? లేదా కన్నడ మాట్లాడటం? లేదా తమిళ్ మాట్లాడటం? All this from Griffiths bad translation onlee, not even the Pandit's crazy naraka and swarga translation, Sayana is perhaps fidgeting up above: Char...
by tyroneshoes
12 Jun 2012 03:49
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Continuing on birds....

a. Birds: 49 matches (red bird many times)
b. Falcon: 30 matches
c. Hawk: 14 matches
d. Swan: 4 matches
e. Duck: 0 matches

Now sacred grass (Dūrvā Grass - Cynodon dactylon) matches 100 times....
Doesn't this grass best grow between 30° south and 30° north latitude?
by tyroneshoes
12 Jun 2012 02:17
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Lets try celestial objects: a. Sun: 100 matches b. Moon: 28 matches c. Star: 100 matches Precious Metals: a. Gold: 100 matches b. Silver: 0 matches c. Copper: 0 matches d. Bronze: 0 matches e. Iron: 100 matches Gods of merit: a. Indra: 100 matches b. Agni: 100 matches c. Mitra: 100 matches d. Varuna...
by tyroneshoes
12 Jun 2012 02:01
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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Here is a non-scientific but repeatable experiment: Go to following link of Rig Veda: The Rig Veda: Complete by Forgotten Books Search for the following words: a. Horse: 96 matches a(1). Stallion: 8 matches a(2). Steed: 100 matches a(3). Ass: 7 matches b. Cow : 100 matches b(1). Bull: 100 matches b(...
by tyroneshoes
11 Jun 2012 23:54
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मनीष,

கற்றது கைமண் அளவு, கல்லாதது உலகளவு

Yet, you seem to be bent on making inferences and statements.
From the evidence presented so far, no conclusions can be arrived at.
AIT/AMT/OIT all remain கைமண் onlee!

So, I'll ask again:

मनीष, क्यों 'ಬಿಸಿಲು ಕುದುರೆ' पे चढ़ा रहे हैं? :mrgreen:
by tyroneshoes
11 Jun 2012 22:48
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

मनीष, क्यों 'ಬಿಸಿಲು ಕುದುರೆ' पे चढ़ा रहे हैं? :mrgreen:
by tyroneshoes
10 Jun 2012 01:42
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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Had enough of this PIE from the horses rear?! Take a map of Eurasia. Draw an Arc from Netherland all the way to the coast of Western Australia. Draw a parallel Arc from northern Estonia all the way to Federated Micronesia in the Pacific Ocean. Make sure the these two parallel Arcs stay clear of the...
by tyroneshoes
08 Jun 2012 21:22
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^^^ Shiv, Thanks for all the wonderful posts.... On data points - there is a trend on Indians always being on the defensive. It is not that OIT has to be proved or AIT/AMT has to be disproved... It is that the composers of the Rig Veda have to be established - you nailed it! The problem is ManishH i...
by tyroneshoes
07 Jun 2012 21:31
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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Which I'm rebutting saying that RgVeda lifestyle is more mobile than sedentary. Mobile from where to where? If it mobile from Pura to pastures that surround it, I am fine with that... There is no evidence for 'random wandering' along grasslands. Remember we agreed that Rig Veda was composed in a ge...
by tyroneshoes
07 Jun 2012 11:41
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पणि (hoarders) who capture cows, and indra uses सरमा (a bitch) to recover the cows. Then सरमा's two offspring later also guard the netherworld (यमा's abode). Sarama and Pani are important in the Rig Veda. For all we know Sarama was a mercenary that refused to be tempted by the Panis and therefore D...
by tyroneshoes
07 Jun 2012 11:33
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But we need to read RgVeda to figure out how cows were fed. I searched for any instance of "womenfolk feeding cows"; but couldn't find any. However if you search for these synonyms of grasslands and pasture : गव्यूति or सुयवस, you'll find plenty ... Show us proof that there were not Graha...
by tyroneshoes
07 Jun 2012 11:17
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ManishH, Saar I mean no ill will to you either, just your ideas :-) Welcome to debating in the Dharma framework - there are consequences! You still have not answered how one ranches large numbers of cattle heads, while migrating across the grass plains.... Free ranging works only with support (steal...
by tyroneshoes
07 Jun 2012 00:21
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But if a "pastoralist" has 500 head of cattle he can't really move very far from 2 or 3 areas where food is available. But this was the bronze age - before industrial-grade cattle farming and availability of fodder in bags. In that period, large-scale cattle rearing required one to be on ...
by tyroneshoes
05 Jun 2012 01:38
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Who was Charles E. Grover - that guy caused considerable kujli to Robert Cladwell in 1871: (I will explain later on the method to this madness of looking at older Western detractors of Aryan/Dravidian proposers who were ignored or sidelined) Have fun - The first principle is of vital importance in c...
by tyroneshoes
04 Jun 2012 23:26
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About Tamil word for horse what is the origin of the mountain Khudremukh in Karnataka? It is complex - when the Invading Aryans met the Dravidians of Karnataka - they saw some hills. The locals said it is KhudreBayi (Horse + Mouth) The Aryans quickly civilized them and corrected it to KudureMukha (...
by tyroneshoes
04 Jun 2012 19:18
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But this has no meaning without corroboration from archaeology - findings of domesticated horse in the form of bit-wear or occlusion on horse's molars and findings of horse-furniture. So answer is: it is not my day job. I don't need to wake up every morning and say: "Do I fit data to theory or...
by tyroneshoes
04 Jun 2012 12:18
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ManishH, For all you know the native American's remember the now extinct native American horse :mrgreen: Anyway, seriously, from what I know - the native American terms meant 'Big Dog' for Horse and it was a sacred animal. However, we are not talking about native Americans who met even worse a fate ...
by tyroneshoes
04 Jun 2012 11:34
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^^^ puli is more a tiger or a leopard, in Telugu simhamu is lion, something analogous could be in tamil, try google translate Yes, I do speak or understand several Indian languages. My simple point being - if Tamil has 'Kudurai' for horse and we know its roots and they are older and uninfluenced by...
by tyroneshoes
04 Jun 2012 11:28
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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Regarding Linguists - it would be wrong to club them all into irrelevance. There is much agreement that perhaps they deserve it... However, the special group called Indo-European Linguists are the real culprits. One cannot come to Jatapata, Ghanapata etc. of Rig Veda without Linguistic insights. The...
by tyroneshoes
04 Jun 2012 11:25
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Bhimbetka (look out for non-horses in these videos): hGzAbkHOyUU V3_Neo3E_eU kAenQuLmPG8 nsKcpkOkl7k The challenge is who funds dating these horses? Some seem older than others. The secular Indian government does not care, the right wing nuts are out to prove whatever they fancy! Same as genetics (m...
by tyroneshoes
02 Jun 2012 03:08
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Does anyone know the origin of the Tamil word - "Kudurai" for horse?

Also, is there an non-Sanskrit word for Lion in Tamil (I cannot think of one).
Unless (Puli) was used for both Tiger and Lion.
by tyroneshoes
01 Jun 2012 20:00
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I will read your post more carefully over the weekend on Iran/Vedic If immediately prior to being evicted from India, Iranians were in Punjab, why do they list Hapta Hindu as #15 ? So one thing is clear : Ariianem Vaeja being at #1 does not clearly indicate that is the homeland of Iranians. Neither ...
by tyroneshoes
01 Jun 2012 19:20
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Please point me to some detailed articles on archaeological evidence for earliest bee-keeping in India. These are my old notes, not sure I remember the context for me writing it down :-) "Collecting honey from these huge nests in gigantic trees requires great skill and daring, but post-mesolit...
by tyroneshoes
01 Jun 2012 11:01
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The Rig Veda would have to be composed where there animals existed - Peacock range: http://images.nationalgeographic.com/wpf/media-live/graphic/map-peacock-160-20144-cb1273159535.gif Elephant research: http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/276/1658/893/F5.medium.gif Rhino range: http://www....
by tyroneshoes
01 Jun 2012 10:35
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An example: the unique shared features between all Iranian dialects and Vedic indicate a period of unity - but it's impossible to fix where on earth that period of unity was. So, how do we know who came first and if the meeting was incidental? That is, mere adjacency with some influence, versus spl...
by tyroneshoes
31 May 2012 23:05
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The title of this thread should be something like:
"Racist Indo-European Linguists' impact on Indian Identity Politics"

This is not a wajib-ul-burqa topic, it has serious bearings on security of India.
by tyroneshoes
31 May 2012 22:59
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Unfortunately, it's hard to represent what is older in a tree. Usually trees just show which language forked out earlier. What it cannot show is that even languages that fork out late, continue to carry very old features. Eg. although Anatolian group (where Lycian is) forked out earlier, it doesn't...
by tyroneshoes
31 May 2012 10:08
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Shhhh! Perhaps there is a Indo-European Linguist among us :rotfl:
by tyroneshoes
31 May 2012 03:02
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Three simple questions: 1. Who is funding journals and studies of the non-science called Indo-European Linguistics? 2. Is there a good "Indo-European language" family chart with time as one of the axis? Some versions I've seen has Lycian and Lithuanian older than Vedic :shock: 3. Forget th...
by tyroneshoes
30 May 2012 01:19
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The enormous evidence of shared verb roots between Latin/Greek/Sanskrit/Iranian/Slavic is hard to ignore. Hard to ignore for whom? Indian's as far as I know are not craving to seek a relationship for Sanskrit or Kannada to Latin/Greek/Iranian/etc. Historically, they have been pretty happy with bein...
by tyroneshoes
26 May 2012 02:45
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There is no faith in RV sūkta 1.162. It's only addressed to the king, not Gods. 'stomān' means praises - dhātu is 'stu' (to praise). It appears, the undusted dictionaries have something to do with your being upset a bit. Not that I want to speak when 'elephants' wrangle... There is no 'faith' anywh...

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