Bharat Rakshak

Nilesh Oak

Thanks, Nilesh, that is great! I think this allows the chains of inference to be charted very clearly. Thank you. The youtube video below is what I created to prepare my colleague who was going to present at the Mahabharata Manthan conference in New Delhi (19-21 July 2017). It was meant to be a pri...

Nilesh Oak

This question is for Nilesh Oak. ...... Similarly, I imagine in the astronomical information in the Mahabharata and Ramayana, there are some lynchpins and others are supporting. Of course, the analysis is much more difficult, because there are a lot of observations. My question is - has this type o...

Nilesh Oak

There are three videos on dating of the Mahabharata using astronomical events (please excuse me if this has been mentioned before). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt1mBTIjSso Are there any such astronomical references in the Ramayana? The classes of evidence for dating - Co-existence of multiple s...

Nilesh Oak

Many can not even formulate their questions properly. No wonder they never reach the answers, even tentatively. The questioner below was not bad at all. In fact he asked straightforward question(s). Unfortunately even they were packed with wrong assumptions and much ignorance of scientific method or...

Nilesh Oak

Nilesh, can you please put that in plain English for the less geologically literate amongst us (including myself, mainly I suspect). How does it bolster your case boss? Dwarka: I have proposed that the original Dwarka is now under the sea and distant from the current ocean/land line. Similar (if no...

Nilesh Oak

Srinivas Kalyanraman ji forwarded this just now. This is one more data point to the already existing (enormous) database that further corroborates my predicted timeline for early Rigveda Manadalas (long before Ramayana & 14K BP), dryng of Sarasvati, post 6.5K BP, etc. What gave me pleasant surpr...

Nilesh Oak

To me, the key idea I learned last week is the idea that the Mahabharata carries the keys to how to read it; that the whole giant epic has a deliberate structure, that all the evidence we have is that the interpolations are minor, and do not interfere with the carefully created structure; the idea ...

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OT alert - All this obsession with single point of origin, it must extend to other spheres as well, right? Like the Big Bang theory, which was proposed by a German Catholic priest and the astronomers looking for evidence to justify this theory. Even supposedly scientific theories rooted in an abrah...

Nilesh Oak

My favorite, from the Adluri/Bagchee interview... Itihāsa is thus not simply “history.” It is a special narrative that neither negates the empirical validity of perception (or documentation) nor affirms it absolutely and uncritically. Rather, itihāsa represents the empirical world aesthetically to p...

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How does it hold up against Rao's supposed breakthrough in 1992? He also claims to have cracked it. I am not an expert, however with little what I know, most of the efforts (including Rao or Kalyanaraman or many others) are such that only they (original thinkers) see what they see in those seals an...

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She did not crack it mainly using 'Brahmi', although Brahmi was certainly part of it. She looked at few other languages -Elamite and also current Indian languages (scripts) and also words (e.g. Meena for fish and such) Yes I know she did use elamite and some other indian languages. What is the stat...

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Thangaraj and Chaubey, geneticists whose papers were discussed on here now have a rebuttal of Tony Joseph article in the Leftu newspaper Too Early to settle the Aryan Migration Debate? They write... The split with the European is around 6,000 years and thereafter the Asian branch (Z93) gave rise to...

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Shiv, I remember we had discussed Suzanne Sulivan's work. Have you seen the docs in the link below? I really think she may have cracked it mainly using brahmi script. Thermoluminescence dating showed that the pot was made in 1528 BC, a date very late for Indus Script, and the earliest known example...

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Shiv, I remember we had discussed Suzanne Sulivan's work. Have you seen the docs in the link below? I really think she may have cracked it mainly using brahmi script. Thermoluminescence dating showed that the pot was made in 1528 BC, a date very late for Indus Script, and the earliest known example...

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Shiv writes.. A research study by linguist Angela Marcantonio actually showed how PIE has frequently been built up using circular reasoning of this type and anomalies and contradictions are explained by creating more and more “rules”. A review of Marcantonio’s observations by Spanish linguist Jesus...

Nilesh Oak

^^^
Isn't Sanskrit word for RICE is 'Vrihi'? 'Vari' in Telagu?(I was told).

'Vari' in marathi for grain similar to 'rice'.

Nilesh Oak

svenkat wrote:Interestengly dravida,andhra,karnata,gurjara and maharashtra are the five 'sub sects' of pancha dravida.Dravida has a generic and particular meaning here.

Svenkat ji

Do you know where these descriptions occur? (References that is)

Nilesh Oak

RDs ancestors are from TN,i think though i am not sure.Dravid is a marathi speaking .Some deshastha smarthas have this surname,not all. Interestengly dravida,andhra,karnata,gurjara and maharashtra are the five 'sub sects' of pancha dravida.Dravida has a generic and particular meaning here. It is be...

Nilesh Oak

Shrikant Talageri's recent summary (10 July) on AIT. Good summary. Of course, I wonder, how, even he, arrived at ~3000 BCE for the original home of PIE! d. The evidence of linguistics shows that the different dialects (which later became distinct branches of Indo-European languages) were in contact ...

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Oldest language - Vedic -Sanskrit/Tamil - Hebrew?

https://satyavijayi.com/maha-periyava-m ... w-scholar/

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... https://youtu.be/RedV48OCEFg Nilesh-ji, I watched the entire discussion. Compelling and khup changle kaam kele aahe . Saglya, skeptics and counter arguments madhey kuthlya counter argument var saarvat jasta vichar karava lagla? This is what Dr. Raj Vedam wrote, after listening to this debate......

Nilesh Oak

ORIGIN OF WEEKDAY NAMES

All,

The appendix A from my book 'The Historic Rama - Indian civilization at the end of Pleistocene' is at the following link

https://nileshoak.wordpress.com/2016/09 ... day-names/

Nilesh Oak

Water in Sanskrit (an illustration - by no means a complete list) -- कम् kam water सलिलवत् salilavat adj. water काण्ड kANDa adj. water स्वर् svar adverb water अप् ap f. water सुधा sudhA f. water सुरा surA f. water इरा irA f. water काष्ठा kASThA f. water नीथा nIthA f. water पीवा pIvA f. water भावना ...

Nilesh Oak

Sorry Nilesh ji, if I'm giving away too many spoilers (I'll stop if I am). But this has already been discussed to death in the archaeo-astronomy thread, so I thought it was okay. Plus, it would generate interest in your book :). Thank you. What you are doing is distribution of knowledge, a dharma-k...

Nilesh Oak

I reckon its far easier to interpolate Type (1) observations post-fact. Its far more harder to insert more than 1, mutually consistent Type (2) observations post-fact. So, I propose we look at the # of Type (2) observations. If there are several of them and they converge to a specific date range, i...

Nilesh Oak

... https://youtu.be/RedV48OCEFg Nilesh-ji, I watched the entire discussion. Compelling and khup changle kaam kele aahe . Saglya, skeptics and counter arguments madhey kuthlya counter argument var saarvat jasta vichar karava lagla? Thank you. None of the arguments were new or original and majority ...

Nilesh Oak

I reckon its far easier to interpolate Type (1) observations post-fact. Its far more harder to insert more than 1, mutually consistent Type (2) observations post-fact. So, I propose we look at the # of Type (2) observations. If there are several of them and they converge to a specific date range, i...

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UB, yes, there are comet observations. Nilesh Oak in his Ramayana dating book mentions that he found the initial estimate for the Ramayana date based on a comet observation (Halley's, I think)? And Nilesh ji also said that since in the Ramayana, this comet was first mentioned by Lakshman, and that ...

Nilesh Oak

What about comet observations? Surely there must be quite a few in the Puranas. Yes, they are. The facts that there are more than 200 known comets, further classified into long and short trajectories...means they are seen frequently, especially when one is talking of events separated by 1000s of ye...

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I don't think it's naivete, it could just be that AGupta's assumption is different from yours. Your assumption is - the astronomical observations are based on the actual date of the epics, as recorded by the author. So according to you, the number of observations in each epic has nothing to do with...

Nilesh Oak

Yes. The ice-age melt was not randomly sudden with flash floods. It happened for 1000s of years to raise up. [And periods of mad-monsoons (Krishna-Indra-Govardhan Hill-Rains) ending as well at around the same time / Saraswati dry up] from 17-20k years back up to about 11-13k years back. It is my be...

Nilesh Oak

14000 years before present, the sea level was some 80 meters or more lower than modern day levels. https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/gornitz_09/ If the traditional geography of the Ramayana is accepted, nothing would need to be constructed to get to Lanka. PS: The depth of the sea around Ra...

Nilesh Oak

Why not a book? Completely avoids the obstructionism and length constraints of Journals, and you can get it up on Amazon (digital) and CreateSpace (hardcopy paperback) at essentially the expense of getting the Copyright plus maybe an ISBN to maintain independence. The YouTube approach is fine, and ...

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Star Data: Mizar (Vasishta): fourth brightest star in the constellation. It is a multiple star system and the first binary star ever discovered. Mizar (Magnitude 2.27) has a faint visual companion, [8334] Alcor (Arundhati) (80 Ursae Majoris, Magnitude 4). Both stars are in fact binary systems and a...

Nilesh Oak

1) Is AV the only observation that gives a 4000 BCE or earlier date range for MB? You'd mentioned that some other observations in Bhishma Nirvana also independently push MB date to "no later than 4000 BCE" No, AV is not the only observation that puts lower limit of 4508 BCE on the timing ...

Nilesh Oak

Not sure what significance this has, but it appears that the naming of the stars after Rishis occurred many thousands of years before. As it should have, of course. You probably discussed this in videos 3 and 4, watching which might have saved me the above horror. That conclusion is correct. Not in...

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Hmm! I am considering introducing the OAT (Out of Australia Theory). All these stellar observations may be completely misnamed: the stars seen by the Vedic composers may have been in the southern sky, not northern. Wonder if the stars turn anticlockwise or clockwise there, though. They turn clockwi...

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Nileshji: What is "AV" please? UlanBatori ji Have a bowl of popcorn and suitable drink (and/or Grilled food from Mangolian Grill) and be ready to entertain, enlighten and educate yourself.. :rotfl: (1) Purv Paksha - AV observation (Superficial and manipulative research of Mahabharata chro...

Nilesh Oak

^^ I am presenting a paper at a conference in New Delhi 'Mahabharata Manthan - Tangible and Intangible heritage" on 20 July 2017, on this very subject of proper usage of (1) unique (2) recurring but long cycle (precession of equinoxes) and (3) recurring and short cycle (near earth phenomena) ev...

Nilesh Oak

Most astronomical phenomena of the type in the MBh and Ramayana is recurrent. This is true and corroborates the statement of my theory - "All astronomy observations of MBH and Ramayana are visual/facual/actual observations of the sky" It is very critical though to remember that there are ...

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