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by Nilesh Oak
03 Jul 2018 18:41
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Folks,

You will find the contents of this article very exciting. And the article does provide background references (clickable links). Do download those papers and read them.

http://indiafacts.org/how-old-is-indian-agriculture/

Amazing stuff

NIlesh
by Nilesh Oak
30 Jun 2018 00:37
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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JE Menon wrote:Can someone here date the Markandeya Purana?

Have not run into datable references from it, but then I have not actively searched for them.

Any specific context? reason?
by Nilesh Oak
05 Jun 2018 12:30
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Fits nicely with Nilesh’s timeline for Mahabharat. https://news.stanford.edu/press-releases/2018/05/30/war-clan-structubiological-event/ About 7000 years ago, genetic diversity of males decreased to such an extent that there was only 1 male for about 17 females. A disastrous war could have caused i...
by Nilesh Oak
05 Jun 2018 11:18
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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I asserted this to be due to Mahabharata event (5561 BCE) more than a year ago(on this very thread)! And data (not shown in the article below) proves my point handsomely. My assertion was based on the paper by Monika Karmin et al of 2015. I also discussed this scenario with Vagheesh Narasimhan (Post...
by Nilesh Oak
20 May 2018 22:41
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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^^^ A Gupta ji

Excellent find. Good stuff. I have to read and re-read few times to internalize the content and summary of these studies. Thank you.
by Nilesh Oak
18 May 2018 19:54
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Anshuman Kumar ji, other than me and a few other mice no one has attacked linguistics yet so there has been no sustained attack on linguistics. And as far as my knowledge goes no one else has launched as much of a tirade against linguistics as I have done so please don't imagine things. That we mus...
by Nilesh Oak
18 May 2018 19:46
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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On Twitter, manastaramgini: Indo-Aryans: If we go by mainstream indological models the RV should have been composed in the Panjab no earlier than ~2000-1900 BCE - stretching things to the limit butm more like ~1700 BCE \pm 100 yrs. There are some serious problems with this which have been overlooke...
by Nilesh Oak
18 May 2018 07:09
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Too late here in Amarika. Came back from ~10 day long trip. Met with Vagheesh and spent 3 hours with him. Will provide brief summary in next few days. I had made a list of predictions (about things) before meeting with Vagheesh. All of the predictions came out correct. Some of them with R-square muc...
by Nilesh Oak
04 May 2018 02:46
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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^^^ Rudradev ji, These very thoughts (not as articulate as you put it) very much entered my mind a while ago. Frankly, this applies to everything else (similar serious subjects) that is being discussed on Twitter/Facebook. A better strategy is to wait until the paper is officially/peer-reviewed (wha...
by Nilesh Oak
03 May 2018 21:05
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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On the absence of the Saraswati: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Indo-Eurasian_research/conversations/messages/17571 The same guy appeared on Twitter and I had a long series of Tweets telling him what I thought Oh Boy, I think Italian AITwalla. I think I have run into him multiple times ...a lo...
by Nilesh Oak
01 May 2018 04:05
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Isn't horse gram grown in semi-arid regions or rain shed regions of Western Ghats? I.e. Deccan. Andhra has a famous rasam called ullava charu. looks like from genetics the talk is to linguistics to food!!!! Yes, (to the region. It is called 'Kulith".) I have seen (youtube) one of the (many?) v...
by Nilesh Oak
28 Apr 2018 23:08
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Beekes comparative Indo-European linguistics https://archive.org/details/ComparativeIndoEuropeanLinguistics Comparative linguistics began to develop very late, only shortly before 1800, when Sanskrit (Old Indo-Aryan) became known in Europe and comparative Indo-Europe- an linguistics came into being...
by Nilesh Oak
28 Apr 2018 17:55
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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shiv wrote:^^ Thank you, Now I will accurately reconstruct Sanskrit from that demonstrating how PIE was accurately reconstructed by lingu-sists

Eagerly looking forward to it. :D
by Nilesh Oak
27 Apr 2018 21:46
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Shit will hit fan if this is true: https://www.toonpool.com/user/589/files/when_the_shit_hits_the_fan_321595.jpg Indus Valley people did not have genetic contribution from the steppes: Head of Ancient DNA Lab testing Rakhigarhi samples It wont. The migration came in 2000-1500 BC. These guys were bu...
by Nilesh Oak
27 Apr 2018 21:26
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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For those interested.... Dieter's Koch's random shots at AV observation & other stuff including his own claim (repeating claim of Dr. Daftari) and my response. Total 10 parts. Here is part 1 of 10 https://nileshoak.wordpress.com/2017/05/06/debating-evidence-method-inferences-oak-vs-koch-part-1/...
by Nilesh Oak
27 Apr 2018 08:17
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Large PDF http://www.gilgamesh.ch/KochMahabharata6x9_V1.00.pdf Dieter Koch Astronomical Dating of the Mahābhārata War Goes a lot into "long astronomical oral tradition written down a thousand years after the event" (and therefore could have been carried by Aryans into India). For those in...
by Nilesh Oak
26 Apr 2018 09:27
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 286142

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SI-3 presentations coming out at Snail's pace (the following presentation came out 1-2 days ago) Here is one that presents some of our BRFites... https://youtu.be/RaN5bYPWtX8 The very first talk - 0 to 10 minutes is by a brfite! BRFites's Q&A session is also nice. "Uncle went to Ajamer vs ...
by Nilesh Oak
25 Apr 2018 19:57
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 286142

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SI-3 presentations coming out at Snail's pace (the following presentation came out 1-2 days ago)

Here is one that presents some of our BRFites...

https://youtu.be/RaN5bYPWtX8
by Nilesh Oak
18 Apr 2018 08:57
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4985
Views: 286142

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Thanks, Shiv. I have the awareness that this is an open forum and thus whatever I am asking is very much in the open space. I was (indeed) very much thinking along the lines you stated (however nowhere close to how nicely you articulated it). I want to learn a thing or two from Vagheesh including to...
by Nilesh Oak
18 Apr 2018 03:35
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 286142

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Any thoughts - strategic, practical, tactical and research related for me to bring up with first author of famous genetics paper that is being discussed here.. as I schedule my meeting with him. As of now tentatively scheduled to meet during 11-14 May.

All comments and suggestions welcome.

Nilesh
by Nilesh Oak
18 Apr 2018 03:33
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 286142

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Many would have seen this paper. Posting it in case some of you have not... The person who sent me the paper wrote... "An extremely interesting botanical paper on the archeological site at Jhusi, close to Allahabad. C14 dating suggests continuity of culture from mid 8000 BC and commonality of c...
by Nilesh Oak
17 Apr 2018 07:26
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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shiv wrote:
Nilesh Oak wrote:
What is the twitter handle of A Gupta ji?

"Seven no Trump, yet another stable genius@macgupta123"
:D

Thanks.
by Nilesh Oak
17 Apr 2018 07:20
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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ramana wrote:Arun Gupta. Awesome research and a beacon for us to follow.

I dutifully RT your twitter posts!!!


What is the twitter handle of A Gupta ji?
by Nilesh Oak
12 Apr 2018 09:42
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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A few years ago - following BRF discussions I dug deep into PIE and reconstructions and suchlike. Can't go back - but recently I pulled out an old Excel file I had created of PIE cognates and selected words for body parts and human relationships and looked for the languages that had the greatest pe...
by Nilesh Oak
10 Apr 2018 06:50
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 286142

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A simple formula to remember - p values...

If p< 0.05, Whatever it is is....(at 95% statistical confidence)....is significant...or is significantly different.

p <0.10 (90% statistical confidence) and so on...
by Nilesh Oak
07 Apr 2018 09:14
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 286142

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17000+ years of unbroken Vedic civilization https://youtu.be/3tsyzrDg2n4 Thanks Nileshji! Watched it in entirety. It was a really interesting! My question is regarding a claim that is commonly made on our ithihasas, shruthi, smritis. The claim is that, the texts are not static and verses have been ...
by Nilesh Oak
06 Apr 2018 00:23
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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My only regret in the article is that I have been unable to find a reference that I know I have read- that is Witzel lamenting that Avestan has unfortunately been reconstructed from Sanskrit and wishing that some more original texts had survived. Did you check with Shri Talageri? I have come across...
by Nilesh Oak
05 Apr 2018 07:11
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Nilesh, Since you read/contribute on this thread. I just watched your presentation online at the Swadeshi conf. First, congrats on a fantastic job on doing a purvapaksha and then demolishing the Dogma. You should plan to speak more :mrgreen: If you are receptive, here are two points for you to cons...
by Nilesh Oak
19 Mar 2018 09:09
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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All, My plenary talk at Swadeshi Indology conference - 3 @ IIT -Chennai (Madras) on 'What falsifies Aryan Invasion Theory' Nilesh Oak Nilesh Ji, How was your talk received at IIT Chennai? I am asking because IIT-C has a lots of people who are proponents of AIT and the Aryan / Dravidian divide. I en...
by Nilesh Oak
19 Mar 2018 08:09
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 286142

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

All,

My plenary talk at Swadeshi Indology conference - 3 @ IIT -Chennai (Madras) on 'What falsifies Aryan Invasion Theory'

https://youtu.be/ctH7SW0_TFA

(I expect that you will see links to talks by many of our BRFites in the next few days).

Warm regards,

Nilesh Oak
by Nilesh Oak
18 Mar 2018 03:02
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 286142

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Nilesh ji, for those quibbling about "Oh,Arundhati had been ahead of Vashishta for X,000 years by 5565 BC, if Vyasa had really lived in 5565 BCE, why would He make such a big deal of A/ V?" Maybe an appropriate response would be: Why do people today keep saying "ghor Kaliyug," a...
by Nilesh Oak
18 Mar 2018 02:57
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Lets keep aside the point of whether Vyasa meant the AV observation as a "bad omen" or not. Achar's argument occurred to me and to several others as well. The bottom-line is this: if Vyasa described the AV phenomenon, then our archaeo-astronomy needs to take it into account. We cannot sel...
by Nilesh Oak
14 Mar 2018 13:09
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 286142

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My latest commentary at Pragyata.com (4 of 4) Prof. Achar responds... (3 of 4) http://www.pragyata.com/mag/mahabharata-war-date-rebuttal-to-claim-of-5561-bce-466 The change in her behavior occurs in 11091 BCE. She was following Vasishtha, but changes into leading Vasishtha. That is when the change ...
by Nilesh Oak
09 Mar 2018 22:43
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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My latest commentary at Pragyata.com (4 of 4) http://www.pragyata.com/mag/mahabharata-war-date-rebuttal-to-claim-of-3067-bce-474 -- For the context, here is the background, in that sequence.... Prof. Achar writes.. (1 of 4) http://www.pragyata.com/mag/thoughts-on-the-date-of-the-mahabharata-war-453 ...
by Nilesh Oak
03 Mar 2018 23:07
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Mahabharata workshop at AdiShankara Nilayam (Birthplace of Adi Shankaracharya) with Nilesh Nilkanth Oak & Nagaraj Paturi Focus: Statecraft & Astronomy of Mahabharata (with relevance for current and future issues facing Modern Bharat). This includes AIT, OIT, among many others. (organized by ...
by Nilesh Oak
02 Mar 2018 07:42
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 286142

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Prem wrote:BhishamPitamah on Bed Of Arrow :


Prem ji, Any specific time segment out of this 48 min long clip that is specific to Bhishma on bed of arrows?

Thanks

Nilesh

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