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by member_23700
05 Sep 2013 21:37
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

To cut to the chase try to better the best known knowledge in your own field and then try to better yourself. You will realize that the distinction in Arguments and Theories is merely what people wish for. Wish of a people who have had some success with the theory. But the success with the theory d...
by member_23700
03 Sep 2013 08:45
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

Jhujar wrote:2012: The Coming of the Kalki Maitreya Avatar,
He is saying New Manu is /was appointed in 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vq0l1Jx9MY

Jhujar ji,

We will never have dearth of 'Nuts'. Then why India or the world is facing mal-nutrition?

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
by member_23700
03 Sep 2013 08:36
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

Read an interesting blog article. While incomplete in details, conveys my position.. to an extent.. ------------- Arguments vs. theories By Prof. S N Balagangadhara (Ghent University) I have discovered that there is a fundamental difference between arguments and theory-building. As a philosopher, I ...
by member_23700
03 Sep 2013 04:45
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

Agnimitra ji, My apologies. I meant to comment of KLPD ji claim that 'Mimasakas have explained everything and if one does not get it , it is that person's problem". My unintentional dismissal (rather slant and criticism) was not unlike.. me commenting on gourmet eaters or gluttonous eaters, and...
by member_23700
02 Sep 2013 02:05
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

AgniMitra Ji Thank you for your links. I understand that analogy. In fact it can be also viewed similar to a random data point..which is capable of holding lot of information, depending on the context in which it was collected and additional data available by splitting it as (statistically speaking ...
by member_23700
30 Aug 2013 21:08
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

Just like the concept of "past-to-present" time-binding property of Veda, I think this meaning-neutral property is also being misunderstood. Like the time-binding property, this meaning-neutrality also happens to be a fundamental concept in modern theories of semantics and epistemology. M...
by member_23700
30 Aug 2013 21:01
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

The Rgveda is in the form of sound patterns, yes - but these patterns are not 'meaningless'. They are in particular arrangements and hold information which we are yet not able to decipher or comprehend at the moment. This information is eternal and has no particular association with humans. Some of...
by member_23700
30 Aug 2013 20:47
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

then unfortunately, your theory may be right, but we have no way of testing it. Thus it is irrefutable, unempirical, untestable, un-falsifiable and thus un or non-scientific. Please get off the 'high horse' of testable or refutable theories, because none of the AIT or OIT theories are testable or r...
by member_23700
28 Aug 2013 21:56
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Buddhism - Socio Political Contributions
Replies: 444
Views: 18147

Re: Buddhism - Socio Political Contributions

I am convinced that TS ji is learning from SADRE crowd here to come out as erudite on Eurasian closed loop thread of Wit-mer gang. Ravi_g, I have been to the place TS ji belongs to, many times, and it is nto Uttarakhand. In any case, I am learning tons from these interactions. Likes of KLPD Ji, Mani...
by member_23700
28 Aug 2013 02:49
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Buddhism - Socio Political Contributions
Replies: 444
Views: 18147

Re: Buddhism - Socio Political Contributions

Why would Rama wash the feet of Shabari? Where do you get your information from? Amar Chitra Katha? Ramanand Sagar? :rotfl: TS, Enlighten us with your version of the story and the reference, please. Also, on another point.....your presence helping me learn a lot, and I mean a lot, from Rishis and J...
by member_23700
28 Aug 2013 02:40
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

This is all complete nonsense. The RV has no information that supports a date of 1500 BC or 47000 BC or any other date. The Rv describes all sorts of catastrophic and incredible events, which you don't seem to consider at all. Anybody can conjure up similarities between some geological event and ce...
by member_23700
28 Aug 2013 02:35
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

I see TonySoprano reinstated.

The intelligent folks of this thread don't need heads up and warnings from this humble self. Still, watch for derailing of a thread, and choose 'ignore' over 'respond' when statements are thrown as bets, without any serious study or references.
by member_23700
07 Jul 2013 01:08
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

Thank you everybody for the warm welcome! I will try to read all the posts in this thread! I am not a supporter or opponent of AIT or OIT. I just think we really do not have sufficient evidence for either. And if AIT is true, I think just the languages moved to India-NOT some large scale migration....
by member_23700
06 Jul 2013 08:23
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

If OIT is true please explain why the Indo-European languages (supposedly originating in North India) reached all the way to Ireland but could not even penetrate past the Vindhyas. When looking at history, an objective view is required free of nationalism and chauvinism. Just my 2 paisa. Good quest...
by member_23700
22 Oct 2012 22:30
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

Here it is: तपस्वी तत्र भगवानगस्त्यः प्रत्यदृश्यत। 5-17-2a सोऽब्रवीदर्च्य देवेन्द्रं दिष्ट्या वै वर्धते भवान् ।। 5-17-2b Yes the location should be Kurukshetra. Peter, Your reference above has nothing to do with Star Canopus/Agastya. You may be right about location..since Nahusha is said to be from...
by member_23700
21 Oct 2012 11:01
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

Earlier in this thread I had posted the following link about ancient Slovenian tradition http://www.thezaurus.com/?/webzine/perceptions_of_landscape/ There is a reference to an "Indija Koromandija" Slovenian folk tales and songs about the Deveta dežela (ninth country) describe places, whe...
by member_23700
21 Oct 2012 10:54
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

peter wrote:What is interesting is that Mahabharata mentions the visibility of Canopus (Agastya) in North India.

Where does Mahabharata mention the visibility of Canopus/Agastya? What North Indian location it alludes to? Kurukshetra?

Would appreciate specific Mahabharata text references.

TIA.
by member_23700
15 Oct 2012 19:08
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

The split in the mtDNA hyplogroup U, I think, really explains the genetic commonality between Europeans and Indians. Of course it is based on mtDNA rather than on Y-Chromosomes, but if ANI Hg U women came to India having split from CEU Hg U women, then so did ANI split from CEU men. The split may h...
by member_23700
14 Oct 2012 22:05
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

KLP's quotes below.. Indeed. The author - god alone knows his antecedents - seems to be an expert in fantasizing and speculating (ironically, the Sanskrit word for that is "manoratha"). +1 All these words appear to be corrupted forms of Vedic words coming from "ra" roots. For exa...
by member_23700
12 Oct 2012 20:15
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

below is an image of ice age glaciation. You can see how the route from India to Africa was free from permafrost. http://www.gsi.ie/NR/rdonlyres/33EE5A20-415D-4FEB-8443-120AA879B397/0/16IceAge.jpg Shiv, Does the source site mention timing for this scenario, 18Kya? In any case, note that Antartica i...
by member_23700
07 Oct 2012 11:55
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

Folks, All this discussion ---Veda as apaurusheya or soemthing else---Seers and Vedic Parachuters..., IMHO are OT for OIT thread. Their final conclusions, not unlike final conclustion one would want likes of Peter to reach regarding MBH War dates, are relevant to OIT. For this very reasons, I reques...
by member_23700
06 Oct 2012 06:18
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

1) Talageri is 100% correct in his assumptions and analysis, and he is a brilliant scholar. 2) Anukramanis are authentic right from the Vedic days. 3) The Vedas have history and geography in them, which establishes that it was an account of ancient indigenous tribes of India. My sashtanganamaskar t...
by member_23700
05 Oct 2012 19:44
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

Some folks are not able to resolve the contradiction of believing in different hypotheses for different parts of their lives. But actually the Hindu mind has traditionally been able to resolve these quite easily - hence the phenomenon of the same person being in 'suit-boot' Western attire in the of...
by member_23700
14 Sep 2012 23:40
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

KLP Ji, I read number of your recent posts and I am writing to express my apologies.. for placing you in one bucket with SN Rajan, ManishH and few others (at one point). I am not intellecutally capable to understand all your arguments (and frankly those of ManishH too)but I am very much enjoying you...
by member_23700
13 Sep 2012 17:31
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65135

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

I guess you are persistent in ignoring pointers made by others if you do not like them either. Before this post of yours, I have provided a list in response to AnuBarwaji's list. Humanities or social-sciences academics are not necessarily claiming stuff based on falsifiable physics or chemistry or ...
by member_23700
13 Sep 2012 10:17
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65135

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

I won't even bother replying to the first part of your post. ironically enough, when I debate my own family members, many have accused me of being an "atheist" and a "marxist". ironic b/c they have consistently in the past done everything they can to whitewash the "marxists...
by member_23700
13 Sep 2012 10:09
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65135

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

I have no objection if individuals are called out; but it is the sweeping labelling of entire community of Brahmins that I'm going to object to; and not something I expected to appear on BRF at all. I was surprised by 'sweeping labelling' aspect as well. Devesh mentions those in power working with ...
by member_23700
13 Sep 2012 09:27
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65135

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

Devesh, reading your rhetoric and tone, it won't take long for you to turn into a 'marxist'. What I see is you are convinced of what the problem is, what the root cause is and what the solution to the problem should be. You may be sincere with your feelings and with true sense of Nationalist fervor....
by member_23700
13 Sep 2012 08:39
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65135

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

AntuBarwa ji, For me, the most parsimonious explanation - ties in with the conditioing of superiority by origins and a personage beyond criticism or beyond accountability in any form. It then carries over subconsciously into everything. So that if collaborating with the foreign imperialist, do it w...
by member_23700
13 Sep 2012 08:10
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65135

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

and there are many many more.... Apart from the first name in the list - all others appear as signatories in certain appeals and marches to the parliament about certain insignificant issues over Indian history and its representations. Just thinking - Sitarama Yechury, Varavara Rao, E.M.S. Namboodir...
by member_23700
13 Sep 2012 06:50
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65135

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

you give away too much with this one statement. it reeks of holier-than-thou. and more importantly it makes a sweeping generalization of supposed "nobility" of "thought". and of course, it also seeks to paint one community as "pursuing truth" while all others are about...
by member_23700
13 Sep 2012 06:37
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies
Replies: 4186
Views: 65135

Re: Distorted history- Causes, consequences, remedies

B-ji: two statements you made about Brahmins ... What is the data that led you to make the quantitative "majority" in the two paras above. In the first para, do you have access to brain mapping data of the Brahmin community and how majority are acting against the "birth society"...
by member_23700
12 Sep 2012 06:57
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

I think OIT will do great damage. It will give Indians a sense of inflated accomplishment and will create leaders who want to recapture lost glory. OIT is dangerous. But that does not mean we should be afraid of it if that is the truth. The idea of claiming that what is known now is the truth and d...
by member_23700
08 Sep 2012 22:39
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

I had generated and posted this image on BRF about 3 months ago. Looking at it again. Please feel free to criticise/ or praise :mrgreen: Model 3 with reference to Sanskrit...... Makes sense, however no need to put '4000 years' as a number - definite or approximate. What is the basis for 4000 years....
by member_23700
07 Sep 2012 17:35
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

IMO, etymology should be the border for linguists. And they should be fenced/caged there . They should be called for references alone but should not at any point, be made to make calls on events that happened and more importantly for setting timelines. They, to quote an oft repeated sentence here, ...
by member_23700
07 Sep 2012 02:30
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

A_Gupta wrote:It gives me only the title page, says the rest is copyright protected, and I need to be a member of a subscribing institution.

I could not download but could read entire document at their site.
by member_23700
07 Sep 2012 00:21
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

Ramana Garu, Vengu Garu,

Does BRF have ability/facility to store not only links but actual documents?

Over time, links become disfunctional, hence the query.
by member_23700
07 Sep 2012 00:01
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

As one reads more and more AIT raw-raw (or rau-rau) literature, one realizes no matter what BS they say (e.g. Occum's razor), when it comes to what they write, it has everything except Occum's razor.

Not unlike our politician parroting... "As Mahatma Gandhi advised us to........".
by member_23700
03 Sep 2012 20:53
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

4. Now, few questions or thought experiments; a. just imagine that all these 'works/writings' came from an imaginary 'Rajiv Sharma' from an IIT. Would you have responded differently? b. Just imagine that all these 'works/writings' lands in up in your inbox from, say, anonymous@anonymous.com. How wo...
by member_23700
03 Sep 2012 09:54
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth
Replies: 8372
Views: 379633

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth

KLP ji wrote on something to do with 'axiom, sound, theology, Mimansa' Conviction in the rationally and logically unfalsified axiom of an eternal and impersonal collection of sounds is NOT a matter of faith or religion. It is directly in conflict with theology and has no use for any personal God or ...

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