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J,
I'll try to look up unit costs etc.Give me a few days.

Regards,
nitin

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Peeyoosh, Hi good summary.We can hopefully try and put numbers from previous/similar deals.To get an idea. We really cant take the 90's as indicative.Because the 90's were definitely pegged as the lowest capex times. The 10 M2K's are bought already and hence their payment too cant be included here. ...

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Hi, J , Good summary .Will dig up some dates/data to refine if possible. Peeyoosh ..good points.The LCA cant be pegged at 25 mill ..has to be 20 or lower.Hence the 220 number.So if you put 25 then lower numbers than 220.The MKI at approx 30.Thats the aim. I'll get around to this later,but the exact ...

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KGoan, Are bhai if i had the time,i'do all that you ask and more :( .I left doing CAP duty for just that reason(Tho Harry and Jagan are busy on ACIG)..In fact,i'd be around looking for some answers to q's which vex me.A lot to do. So i defer to economics gurus on this one..but will gladly help out a...

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I'll leave the finance part to the gurus..but a lot of serious thinking did go into the 50 to 55 sq figure. The PLAAF reshaping and modernisation figured prominently in that. The IAF has always faced a lot of shortcomings in its force structure viz the 40 squadron limit. Namely AIr defense etc.It pa...

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Samir,Sree and Jagan.
You guys are worth your weight in the Nizams finest jewels.

Way to go.

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The MP5 sure does rock-accuracy,punch ,everything.The NSG loves it.And they look good with it too.Good reason for selection no doubt. :D I dont think it needs any special modification per se.Gun is powerful and accurate enough as it is.As per the Army motto of "Ek Goli Ek Dushman". They do...

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That wounded vs dead is a moot point.Some complain that while theoretically all these calculations are fine..its better to have an ipso facto dead opponent than one who can still spray bullets towards you.One also occasionally gets the feeling that once the US "chose" the 5.56mm path,every...

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Hey Rudra, Lest i forget...something you'll really like. :) The poles say 72 million 4 for 250 FCS kits.Needs no extensive mods to the T72.Should incorporate an El-op TI set.Been in service with the Poles on their PT-91's for some time now..hence tried and tested. The DRAWA-T.(via a friendly Pole Pa...

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The Armor modules behind the window extend further behind into the turret compared to other parts of the turret...so it isnt a weakened area.

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Sachin,
Check mail id.Its giving a storage exceeded warning...!!Mail me at nitinvenkatesh@yahoo.com when you're thru.

Regards,
Nitin

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Raj, No drawa-t for Arjun.Current one's superb by itself. The window-on the turret has additional armour modules behind it,so protection isnt sacrificed. The brochure has a typo when it says 1500 hp.Sure,its being contemplated but the news didnt get to theprinting press so fast. :D You will never ge...

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Apologies for deviating from the thread... N, Thanks.Data on the Arjun is hard to come by..hence the need to continue discussing and disseminating info.Lots of myths to be broken! Sanjay, So is the APU part of the MK1 already?We do know that the MK2 is supposed to have one...the question is that doe...

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N,
I believe the Arjun's ergonomics problems / issues were resolved quite some time back.DRDO-CVRDE setup a team for this task which would interface with the IA.The IA had noted their objections which led to the above succesful decision.

Lets see what Sachin has.Interesting.

Regards,
nitin

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Hey,
Before we forget...hats off to Raj for sending the pics and to Shiv for his intensely patient work in scanning and uploading the material for the rest of us to enjoy.That too when bandwidth may be an issue.Thanks to both of them.

Regards,
nitin

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Re Arjun...lets just say that the Arjun developers have a LOT of confidence in their product.The payoffs from the Arjun have been visible for quite some time now..too many to elaboarate.Its also worth noting that even when the project was facing the worst times-sanctions,technical issues,army upgrad...

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The whole thing was blown way out of proportion by the press as just all problems with indigenous products are.

Tell me about it.The media sucks....bigtime.
I can count the number of interested and credible journalists on my fingers...and there are a few left over.

Regards,
Nitin

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Yo Raj,
Superb work,man!

regards,
Nitin

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Darn i hit 1069 posts(this should be 1070!) and never even realised it!

I second Amitabh in clappin' for VVyas.After reading his analsyis,i actually started likin' &understanding(the latter bein' more important)ORBATS.Regards,
Nitin

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Raks, Lets leave the article for "better" times. Adam Geibels articles are pretty comprehensive,but some parts are dated.Lets take the FCS :The FCS problems are ,afaik,resolved. :) Note that even the original FCS achieved results equal to and at times better than those claimed by Nor...

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<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by Administrator: Nitin - that was not Major Dalbir IIRC it was a Major Kaul whose ring finger got severed. <hr></blockquote>My bad.Just went back and checked. <blockquote><font size="1...

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Thanks Vikram !Wonderful post.MajGen Dalbir's tank was hit by a RPG-severing his ring finger-was it not?His column iirc continued--using the railway tracks behind the LTTE lines in Jaffna.Catching them by surprise and rescuing the paras!What a man.Think LNS has all this in his great write-up.W...

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Arun S, You'r ,i wager,pretty much on the dot.I recall you predicting these "developments" quite some time back. :) <blockquote>quote:<hr>However, it is prudent to note that this problem has become rather trivialized nowad...

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Greg was just being humourous.
If a ghauri(a ballistic missile) can "hit" a movin' target ,gadzillion km away...then we're facin' martians with death rays.

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Darell,
Ok!

can you describe the pic?Ie is it frontal-near the gun or did it impact at the side of the turret?We can get a rough approximation then.regards,
nitin

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A great man who richly deserves this honour.
Congrats sir!

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Chaps, Cool down. :) Go through the previous GoI reports-as many as you can-and this Agni-2/3 business will fall in place.Agni-3 *or* as is mentioned in ToI etc "a longer ranged version of Agni-2" which is one and the same.Some choose to refer to the latter as the Agni-3.And yes,technic...

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ehsmang,
The arjun's wide tracks and low ground pressure are meant to compensate for that very fact.Note that the army's never mentioned it as a problem -anywhere-indicating acceptance.Regards.

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Hi Python,
I mentioned the IMI round in a previous post.
Any links/info on the same?Open source,that is.Were you referring to the 105MM L7A2 round/s?Regards,
Nitin

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They have their own reasons.....i guess.The CAG reports are circa 98.The PAC circa 2000.And they hide more than they reveal.
In a couple of years time,i guess the"updated" info should be out.Regards,
Nitin

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Abhay,
Fetter's entire article on the IA tank fleet and at the end ..Arjun is full of fallacies.Not worth even considering.These chaps look up dated janes reports etc and use it as a base for "analysis".Stratmag has just reproduced it.Regards,
Nitin

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<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by Raj Malhotra: Nitin one of us here is missing the point, probably me!When Arjun project started around 40 tanks were authorised. Of which DRDO made 32-33 including 15 PPS. Subsequently aroun...

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Hi,Viz the NVD's they are probably referring to thermal imagers for the FCS and crew. Infrared passive devices have been manufactured in india for a long time now. Again DDM,...DRDO apart,its been clearly noted that TI were to be procured from abroad.Guess what,the upgrade has been stalled due to...

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1) Assembling / Manufacturing of the T-90 ----- That aint a DRDO job but an OFB/HVF one.2) Upgradation of the T-72. (BTW whats the schedule on this look like) ------- Schedule was good till our deshbhakts started gunning for GF.It includes both DRDO and external vendors.3) Manufacture of Arjun...

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Hi, Too early to say.The Arjun,in its "latest" iteration -as of now-not the MK2,has proven successful. If the IA can get enough money to overhaul its logistics/transportation issues then it will defnitely sustain more arjuns.Arjun tech?Definitely.Namica incorporates kanchan armour too.(...

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<blockquote>quote:<hr>Originally posted by pchupunkar: So does this mean that the Arjun tank is not a lemon and that it will be actually fielded on the front-lines unlike the vijayanta tanks which are held in reserves to inflate the num...

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Not related to the Arjun but adds more valid information to the 125mm apfsds types fielded by the IA today.However,please lets not deviate from the arjun now on the basis of this information. :)Anyway, CAG (Indian Express, 13 December 2001 Though deployment of T-72 tanks was not po...

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A merry Xmas to you too. :)I'm repeating myself,but its a nice time. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>The problem with the whole ERA/ Tandem thing is we have little if any historical examples or even research to point towards the real capabi...

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Paul, If you are there....1.Would ERA + Kanchan work "better" against a tandem warhead(designed to strip ERA in the first place) than plain kanchan armour?2.Any "baseline" guesses for teh protection yet?Frontal in particular.Regards, nitinHappy Xmas and New Year...

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Ok.Some more data for paul. :) We have additional information that may *confirm* JoMo's report and at the same time point to a HEAT resistance of at least 800mm.With the Milan 2 and equivalent threat perceptions of TOW2/RedArrow(Bakhtar Shikan) having been part of any realistic assessment.This wa...

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