Bharat Rakshak

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Expect Paki bozos to show up with these in Sir Creek - piracy protection and rest is typical Paki BS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_di ... #Sir_Creek

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A nice evolution of cochin class would be fitting them with low cost sonar package (hull, towed or depth) and limited depth charge/rocket/light torpedoes for sanitizing coastal waters from subs+mines. Looks like it has a steel hull with Al superstructure, which makes it susceptible to magnetic mines...

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French Defence Minister to visit India amid deadlock over Rafale project NEW DELHI: With the almost $20 billion MMRCA (medium multi-role combat aircraft) project for 126 Rafale fighters stuck in the final stages, French defence minister Jean-Yves Le Drian will be holding talks with his Indian count...

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On a side note - China does not see anything wrong or illegal with copying. In their minds (and I kind of agree), gunpowder and paper 'technology' was copied by Europeans without paying any kind of royalty or hesitation when China was the leading world power. They learnt and out innovated the Chines...

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^ Also once a boat is lifted off water, its stability increases - making a smaller boat more 'livable'. Wondering about endurance but expect to have more 'time on station' as once off water, it has less friction to overcome also. A small, high endurance package filled up with sonars (hull, depth and...

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We should buy the embargoed Mistral for 1 Billion, attach the ski deck from Vikrant in front and sell it back to Russians for 2 Billion - as it's an aircraft carrier now!

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@ Rohitvats Let me start by saying 1. You have a POV as clearly shown in your post and an IMPORT bias for speed. Both fit the short sightedness (some will say it as st*pidty) in OUR 'global procurement' approach rather than building local capability and save money approach - aptly shown by Chinese w...

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Respected Gentlemen and Boys - Can we get back to fun stuff instead of throwing mud at each other. Quick review - Even my recent posts have turned pro US (F35 specifically). The fact is we are hell bent on importing an expensive plane (big delhi egos), so giving up on drilling common sense and settl...

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^ You hit the hammer dead center on the nail How about we test Akash against a Brahmos? on a ship platform Why this suggestion - I am suspect of Barak missiles capability, cost been the second point. Read some news about them failing tests a while back, and no news of repeat testing. More important ...

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Joke Mode On

Better to check which country's watch the 'officials' are wearing before expecting them to sign up on Desi HAL goodies

Joke Mode Off

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NEWS - 800 155 mm guns budgeted - http://idrw.org/?p=47566. Some movement finally is good news. Looking at all the import options listed - quite remarkable that the most easiest+cheapest one is MISSED i.e. Mount a Dhanush on a TATA or Ashok Leyland chassis and get going .. Cheap because no royalty ...

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Pakis are experts at getting most for their $ and creating opportunities to steal from others - shown time and again We tend to be exactly opposite - Pay double the 'list' price for our imports. Effectively our higher defense budget is of no use as both sides end up with more or less same # of weapo...

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NEWS - 800 155 mm guns budgeted - http://idrw.org/?p=47566. Some movement finally is good news. Looking at all the import options listed - quite remarkable that the most easiest+cheapest one is MISSED i.e. Mount a Dhanush on a TATA or Ashok Leyland chassis and get going .. Cheap because no royalty t...

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Really impressive capability. It's a home grown Iron Fist.

Are we going to deploy it near Paki borders to bring down their cheapo UAV nuisance ?

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^ Lost cause and Inevitable in my opinion so no point in resisting or boiling over. China is throwing a billion plus dollars building these port infrastructure which we cannot match up. In fact we don't seem to be investing enough in our own port infrastructure to begin. It's more of a way to access...

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I like how IAF AND IMPORT BABUS HERE SAY THAT 'TOT' WILL ENABLE INDIA BUILD NEXT GEN AIRCRAFT >> RAFALE IS NEEDED blah blah blah If this is anywhere close to True, then the Indian plane better not be built by HAL, given the way IAF and HAL relations are standing today. It just symbolizes why we were...

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Requirements were set before China started flying their stealth aircrafts - leap frogging the typical US>Russia>China sequence. This MMRCA should have been called off eons ago - it's persistence blatantly shows that Rafale has promised a lot of people a lot of commission $$$. :evil: Requirements are...

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Since the discussion started off with ASW ship - which will be used to sanitize coastlines, no point in having BIG anti ship or anti air weapon complement. What we need is a way for having one vessel sanitize a wide swath of shoreline. Sonar - whichever kind have limited range and so do torpedoes/mi...

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^ Question should be which segments is GE number 1 or 2. Rest of the segments where it lags will be sold off as per their long known stance. They are leaders in 'turbine' technology and are doubling down on this key segment.

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AESA itself doesn't cost an arm and a leg, especially since everyone now (probably even KAI if someone asks for it on the T/A-50) has an option to supply it. Its the TOT that is going to cost, especially if you want technology on each and every component of the system. Without it, you simply pay th...

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GE makes turbine power plants - large for power plants and small for planes/ships Equivalent in India >>> BHEL for large power plants, roll off GTRE in to BHEL as semi independent research unit. Looks quite obvious to take all engine make-rebuild-refurbish facilities spread out between HAL and all u...

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^ We are not going to get anywhere if we keep looking back in history instead of what lies in the future. History is useful to understand how countries pursue what is of interest to them. Friendship are driven by needs which keep moving. From Indian perspective #1 threat - China #1 hassle - Pakistan...

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At some point it is good to look in the mirror, or still better to ask someone what they see. Let's be grounded here folks: Single vendor situation - For 5th Gen aircraft we can get one today from US, Russia will deliver 15 years from today. Only other player with anything flying is China. Russia an...

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thanks Thakur_B

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If we ask for it then Khan will be more than willing to give us F-35 - same build as other export customers. I mean look at the customer list on wiki. This will be like the best case scenario for US - finally weaning us away from Russians and locking us in to their sphere. Once more - This will work...

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^ I was thinking more on sensor front, not missile. Believe we can build off LR-SAM instead of Akash on missile front.

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@ Marten - absolutely Sir. Send me your account details - All white money please :) Jokes apart - I am basing on wiki data for F-35A - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II 100 m -> 85 M + 15 M for Training. As far as Life time costs go - it will be much much better than RAF...

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100 planes at 100 million each - outright purchase, no TOT or otherwise saga. That just is a waste going by prior experience. No shortcuts to hard work and sweat. We can offer Lockheed to build service and training facilities in India. A cost effective alternative for serving other users, just like ...

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Next DRDO project should be close in CIWS guns + short range missiles. A downgraded AKASH with Guns cueing should be a fast track project - replace those antique Tunguska batteries.

We need plenty of these for our capital ships and defending important Land radar/airfield/attack columns.

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^^ I would take this as good news for Dhanush. Lets use this new 'spare' capacity to give 500 numbers of these fire and scoot guns to BSF next. It fits 'give fitting reply back immediately' strategy better than Army's tracked+towed needs. Fire 10 rounds - Scoot a KM and Fire another 10 rounds - Paki...

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^ That's how US brought down USSR - made them spend to their grave on playing match up. Before we spend too much time laughing at Paki swines, let's also review our own game. China is doing that to us - by forcing RAFALE like outlandish acquisitions. They spend a third on domestic build stealth plan...

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What's wrong with having 880 planes or 44 squadrons of LCA MKI and II - 500 with DESI 'AESA+ASTRA BVR+SPECTRA clone' - 12 billion SU-30 MKI - 280 with DESI AESA upgrades F35 - 100 (China specific, no PAKFA as too much Russian reliance) - 10 billion TOTAL EXPENSE - 22 BILLION SAME AS 100 RAFALES ??? ...

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Most of the cost in building ships in 'Indian' shipyards is into missiles/radars and propulsion. Actual tonnage is not a big driver, though impacts operational cost (fuel + manpower). So small is not necessarily significantly less expensive for the same offensive/defensive package and 'Made In India...

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Glide bombs seem to be a cheaper/safer alternative to planes flying over and taking out airfields. Missiles can absolutely do the job but are more expensive. Our friendly neighbors will be looking to get within 30 kms of an airfield, dropping glide bomb(s) and turning back to safety. Our Akash missi...

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If the figures quoted above are accurate then each OFB produced BMP-2 costs only ~ 1.8 Crores INR! Whereas we seem to be paying about 38 lac per Spike missile(+ requisite launchers etc). So in essence in a configuration where the BMP-2 carries 4 Spikes + reloads, the missiles would cost more than t...

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VHF (mentions UHF as well) - google translate the link

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One question - Can we get the Spectra from Rafale and put it on Tejas - paying like 0.5 billion $ ? Rafale nose size is limited with the dual air intake position and guessing Tejas nose will have similar sizing for main radar sensor. Other sensors sizing and countermeasure does not look like a big ...

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Copy and paste projects will never equal the real thing. The Rafale is real Western technology. I guarantee you whatever copy-paste s-bird at Zuhai will not amount to a fifth of what the Rafale is. And the Russians can go royally screw themselves in their collective arses. The Rafale can't match th...

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For higher hp, gas turbines is the way forward as diesel engines become bulky for mobile applications - my two cents. Air filtration becomes key as turbines are more sensitive - like the US learnt in Gulf wars.

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^ Let's not single out the armed forces only for importing, but feels the core 'legacy' issue was 'Family business'. 1. If you elect a Bush in to Power, expect a war or equivalent to make oil prices hit the roof 2. If you elect a Gandhi in to Power, expect massive price inflation and imports for arm...

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