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by John
03 Apr 2020 00:39
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Let's get some facts straight.The 4 extra improved Talwars is a good deal because all our yards are full of orders,badly behind in delays and huge cost escalation. The UKR,where almost all conventional powerplants for the Sov./ Ru. navy where made,after the spat with Ru,became unavailable. Russia i...
by John
02 Apr 2020 17:45
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

What makes no sense is that we have Shivalik which is superior to Talwar and would have cost about the same as what is allocated for locally built 1135.6. Not sure why Goa SY could have continued to build Shivalik where as Talwar/1135.6 design has lot of challenges when it comes to adopting it for ...
by John
01 Apr 2020 18:20
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Naval Aviation
Replies: 1081
Views: 199154

Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Though when BMos- NG comes along,it may be possible as 29Ks reportedly will carry 3 and MKIs 5. No Mig-29k can carry only 1 NG and Su-30mki can carry 3 and this is all in paper and we need to do testing. Thereis good chance Mig-29 may not be able to carry any because of ground clearance during take...
by John
29 Mar 2020 23:44
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Naval Aviation
Replies: 1081
Views: 199154

Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Ka-31 greatest drawback would be that it doesn't process any of the data it has no radar operators, it simply transmits it to the ship it is operating from. Actually the biggest problem that I see with the Helix is its poor endurance. Thought they were working on this and would have it rectified by...
by John
29 Mar 2020 06:21
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Naval Aviation
Replies: 1081
Views: 199154

Re: Indian Naval Aviation

^Soo. India rescued Kamov group too. Oh well. Interesting that they give the same specs for the OKO from 20 years ago and sneakily point out that the radar is good enough to cover the "entire Black Sea", which of course is about 1000 clicks East West and 500 North south. Interesting also ...
by John
27 Mar 2020 23:17
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Such a beautiful airframe! What China did and we did not is reverse engineer these airframes with modern engines. It is easy to imagine a modern version of IL-18 being our first RTA! Here, we are in 2020, still discussing an NCAD where we will reinvent the wheel for 5% more efficiency. We will neve...
by John
26 Mar 2020 02:23
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

3 billion for talwar instead of Shivaliks What makes no sense is that we have Shivalik which is superior to Talwar and would have cost about the same as what is allocated for locally built 1135.6. Not sure why Goa SY could have continued to build Shivalik where as Talwar/1135.6 design has lot of ch...
by John
25 Mar 2020 15:28
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

No idea only thing I can think of like Grigorovich deal. Russia is desperate for $$$ to keep itself afloat in its oil war with KSA, purchasing used vessels directly goes to Putin’s coffers. Right. So India just bails out Russia and father Putin out of the goodness of it's heart. Nothing in return a...
by John
25 Mar 2020 09:43
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Why not just order additional p75 boats?? It's not like the Russians can supply boats faster than new built boats form Indian yards. No idea only thing I can think of like Grigorovich deal. Russia is desperate for $$$ to keep itself afloat in its oil war with KSA, purchasing used vessels directly g...
by John
25 Mar 2020 09:03
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Why buy old Russian Kilo rather than buying some new Kilo submarines? They crank these out pretty fast. cost? Vietnam Kilo purchased a new one for 300 million couple years even if you adjust it inflation we talking about 400 million max. With this deal we essentially paying 1.2 billion for 3 subs, ...
by John
25 Mar 2020 02:33
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

In case the picture above does not load, please visit this link.... Indian Navy will consider subs by the Kilo https://www.dailyo.in/politics/indian-navy-submarine-kilo-class-russian-arms-deal-indo-russian-inter-governmental-technical-commission-irigtc/story/1/32600.html 23 March 2020 Why buy old R...
by John
24 Mar 2020 09:46
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread
Replies: 4511
Views: 332784

Re: Wuhan Coronavirus Resource Thread

In US Coronavirus cases will easy hit 200k by end of month there is no social distancing happening in the south (packed beaches, park and churches). On top of that Trump is getting angsty as he cares about only his $$$ and his businesses are taking a hit (as his stock portfolio). He is refusing to c...
by John
22 Mar 2020 23:41
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016
Replies: 4083
Views: 942735

Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

If we deploy S-400 in say Pathankot. S-400 range is according to internet sources up to 400km. Distance from Pathankot to Sargodha is 280 km. Does this mean we can shut down the airspace to PAF between Pathankot and Sargodha? Naliya to Karachi is 260 km. Could S-400 in Naliya shut down the airspace...
by John
18 Mar 2020 11:22
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Philip wrote:Backfires,Bears,Blackjacks were designed as dedicated strat. bombers which could also carry large conventional payloads. Their speed,range,endurance and payload make them the most potent maritime strike platforms available.


See comment above no more discussion on Backfire...
by John
17 Mar 2020 07:51
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: INS Vikrant News and Discussion
Replies: 1878
Views: 196009

Re: INS Vikrant News and Discussion


Indian Navy to lease private berth for Vikrant-class aircraft carrier



https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/nava ... lass-airc/
by John
17 Mar 2020 07:47
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Why does it have to be Tu-22M or Tu-160 or nothing? Question is are we looking pure maritime strike platform (Tu-22m) or multi mission maritime platform. Former we have no need at the moment and for latter we do have some gap between P-8i and Dornier but to be honest we should be using drones to ad...
by John
17 Mar 2020 00:27
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Philipji, you definitely have a point... The bombers would be useful in a variety of scenarios. Great stick to have. Can't agree enough. Cheap. Fast, great range. And easily capable of carrying 3-4 brahmos. Question is... Are they available? If not, perhaps India can make a case for new built black...
by John
16 Mar 2020 22:00
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

John, before you display your limited info. boundary,please keep yourself updated with events. For the umpteenth time,around 40+ legacy Backfires are being upgraded,all to be completed within the next few years out of a current fleet of at least 100 ( USN estimates in the USNI 2019 article details ...
by John
16 Mar 2020 20:07
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

The Tu22M3 aircraft would make some sense now, for the IN against the PLAN surface fleet, if they were in production (not old airframes), modernized (engines, avionics, systems able to interface with the P8Is and our satellites), with no issues on spares etc. But even with that would just 4 or 8 be...
by John
16 Mar 2020 10:13
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

However, the first time the Backfire was set to fly into the subcontinent was in mid-1971 when Russia offered it as a strategic bomber. However, Air Chief Marshal P.C. Lal rejected the offer. That’s incorrect it is Tu-22 not Tu-22m, as West didn’t even know about Tu-22m till 1970 and Russia didn’t ...
by John
16 Mar 2020 09:49
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

IAF was never offered backfire. It was offered the blinder. IAF after evaluating the aircraft rejected the offer. Why do you guy bother replying to Philip, i replied to him saying Soviet Union didn't even have Tu-22m till 73 and didn't have 80 of them operational till late 70s. He still continues p...
by John
15 Mar 2020 06:01
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Three carriers would ensure we have two deployed. That is going to be necessary in the coming years. If the navy can give up on EMALS and maybe come up with a plan that won't cost us twenty billion dollars to procure and operate, I'd be all over it. Navy makes a case for third aircraft carrier http...
by John
13 Mar 2020 12:47
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

AH, et al, Russia has over a hundred in service and dozens more mothballed.Latest western reports say that around 40 to 50 are being heavily upgraded ,all worlk to be completed between 2023 to 2025. Russia has less than 60 Tu-22m3 that are operational and 30 are being upgraded please stop making st...
by John
13 Mar 2020 09:43
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Asia News and Discussions
Replies: 1605
Views: 208593

Re: West Asia News and Discussions

Reports that a Iranian militia HQ has been destroyed In Iraq, multiple weapon depots hit and heavy casualty (dozens of ambulances were seen heading to Iraqi border from Iran). Also top Iranian rep guard commander Siamand is dead, are they this incompetent after rocket strike why are they still waiti...
by John
10 Mar 2020 02:25
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Anthony Hines wrote:Does Russia have Backfires to sell? Last produced in 1997 so wont there be a spares issue?

Ignore our resident mother Russian comrade Philip he goes off on topics about how we should do acquisitions that are were no longer being offered or never been offered. Not sure what purpose it really serves.
by John
08 Mar 2020 23:11
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

That design is step down from P-17a :D and chances of navy going away from Rbu-6000 is unlikely. On topic for next generation frigate, P-17a will be built til end of decade but There is good chance that once GSL completes the 2 1135.6 Frigates, we will move to more cleaner/modified version of 1135.6.
by John
07 Mar 2020 07:02
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Actually Backfires, Blackjacks and the likes are liabilities for us, let me explain. In BR there is always constant revisionist history done by few folks, went back to do some research and Russia only offered a meager 4 Tu-22M for lease in 04 which did not pan out because the large sum they asked f...
by John
06 Mar 2020 22:48
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Back to Backfires.In 2012, Russia had around 150 Backfires in service plus another "90" mothballed! The latest 22M3M variant with Blackjack engines,etc. can carry 52,900 lbs. of ordnance in underwing,fuselage and internal weapons bays. You can work out the cocktail of missiles it can carr...
by John
06 Mar 2020 07:26
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

By the time a carrier heads out of port after at least 12 to 24 hours notice on a strike mission, a single TU-22M3M upgraded Backfires re- engined with the TU-160 Blackjacks new engines, could within a couple of hours take off from a land base and within 6 to 8 hours reach out to a range of 1850km ...
by John
05 Mar 2020 19:08
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 3777
Views: 648851

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Prem wrote:There is twitter rumor of Syrian Su 24 today escaped AMRAAM launched by by Turkish F-16 .

They lost one yesterday to F-16 AMRAAM right?
by John
04 Mar 2020 19:06
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Naval Aviation
Replies: 1081
Views: 199154

Re: Indian Naval Aviation

PS: These "CW relics" are not legacy birds.Blackjacks are being newly built,legacy ones as well as Backfires completly modernised and upgraded too. There are sev. dozen Backfires around. Acquiring the F-35 makes sense if we fix the money and build our 4 amphibs,but these appear to have be...
by John
04 Mar 2020 08:01
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Naval Aviation
Replies: 1081
Views: 199154

Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Totally agree - IN should give up buying in bulk - rather order in 5s - 5 29ks, 5 Su-33s, 5 NLCA, 5 F-18, 5 F-35 (5 F-14s are kosher too), 5 Gripen Navy, 5 Rafale Navy . In this way they can counter anything - Russian/Chinese/Amreeki/Agrezi. Actually the Navy does this as as a matter of procedure. ...
by John
03 Mar 2020 23:37
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Milan the multi nation exercise has been postponed due to Coronavirus.
by John
03 Mar 2020 22:22
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Naval Aviation
Replies: 1081
Views: 199154

Re: Indian Naval Aviation

However,the Chin expansion,now on course to overtake the USN numberswise, should make the IN relook at the Backfire/ Blackjack option for the supersonic long-range maritime strike role. Please stop bringing up Cold War relics if budget is infinite we can buy all kinda of things from mother Russia b...
by John
24 Feb 2020 00:28
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

^^^So 60%, that means only 27 were originally available. Now 25 available, so in 18 months or so the IN will only have one squadron of Mig-29K. The naval LCA Tejas needs to come ASAP. It’s actually projected to hit 70% not 60%, Even Su-30mki is only projected to hit 75% after all the parts supplies...
by John
23 Feb 2020 21:45
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 2635
Views: 613699

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

It is time IN kick off the TEDBF program. Mig29K MLU is planned for this year. Once an alternate solution is available, Mig29K should be relegated to land ops. The entire Gorkshaw buy has been a nightmare. As much as I love to talk smack on Mig-29k that's outright no reason to throw them away for l...
by John
23 Feb 2020 00:51
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Project 75I - It Begins
Replies: 1001
Views: 180738

Re: Project 75I - It Begins

https://twitter.com/SandeepUnnithan/status/1231115692763566080?s=20 ---> Model worth considering. Brazil’s S-BR/SN-BR prog. Can be done by us, but indigenously. P-76 + IN SSN. Single program. Bring down costs. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERXNKRAUEAArZC0?format=jpg&name=900x900 I am highly skept...
by John
23 Feb 2020 00:08
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 2604
Views: 713318

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

https://twitter.com/vkthakur/status/1230725564249427968?s=20 ----> DRDO presented a very clear headed concept of its Naval Anti-Shipping Missile Short Range (NASM-SR) at Def Expo 2020. The sea skimming missile is being developed for use from Sea King Hmm interesting it is not using Turbojet that wi...
by John
17 Feb 2020 04:41
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Naval Aviation
Replies: 1081
Views: 199154

Re: Indian Naval Aviation

^^^Wait ... Su-33 ? :roll: Yes why not, when it is not in maintenance you will know its on flying duty by the plumes of smoke it will be emitting. :rotfl: Flanker should never be used as a carrier based aircraft it is simply not designed for that and shoehorning that for that role will lead only to...
by John
17 Feb 2020 03:27
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: ABM/Missile Defense Discussion
Replies: 1941
Views: 401405

Re: ABM/Missile Defense Discussion

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1228732502354931714 Iranians are fine tuning their kit in Yemen. A tornado is shot down. Proper shoot down. SAM are going to create havoc in future conflict, specially standoff types. Unless you have Khan style wide range ECM capability, there will heavy losses....

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