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by John
21 Sep 2019 05:07
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

^ Lot of it is fantasy not worth the time discussing, heck first set of P-17a would not be inducted till 2028 to be inducted. Snowballs chance in hell P-18s work would start by then.
by John
20 Sep 2019 23:09
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Originally P-17 was not envisioned to be 6000 ton vessel the original vessel was having displacement of around 4500 tons. But size and weight grew due to changes to superstructure to reduce rcs. There was some discussion (or at least from Russia) for a tie up with Russia on their next Gen DDG but la...
by John
20 Sep 2019 04:01
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Correct. Two helicopters per ship is a mirage given our numbers and acquisition programs.

Yes but I was thinking of Helo UAV + mh-60 would be the way to go. Former would provide round the clock surveillance (replacing ka-31) and latter could be deployed on specific missions.
by John
19 Sep 2019 05:01
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1686
Views: 429487

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Not sure I follow you Akash Ramjet design (dates back to Sa-6) is bit dated it cannot be throttled and has fairly limited burn time. Russians switched to solid propellant for Sa-11/17 due to that and same goes for Akash NG. We've been over this before. The burn time is exactly per its specification...
by John
19 Sep 2019 02:12
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

^ Yes RBU have reload mechanism below deck and takes up more space than a Barak-8 vls module. SR SAM that navy procures will possibly be fitted in P-15a/b (replacing the two AK-630) but I don't see that happening with P-17a (lack of space).
by John
19 Sep 2019 00:46
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Barak-8 have network centric capability so a barak-8 can be fired by one vessel and use mid course guidance from other vessels. Also Barak-8 system costs around 200 million each so guessing adding 32 more will raise cost substantially.
by John
18 Sep 2019 07:53
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1686
Views: 429487

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Karan M - So we can probably assume that akash has a no escape zone of 25 kms because of its extremely good propulsion system. Not sure I follow you Akash Ramjet design (dates back to Sa-6) is bit dated it cannot be throttled and has fairly limited burn time. Russians switched to solid propellant f...
by John
18 Sep 2019 06:25
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

I was told that the P15s carry one HAL Chetak (SAR duties) and one Sea King Mk42B (ASW duties). I have been inside the helo hangar of INS Delhi. I believe it can certainly house a pair of Sea Kings if need be. Waiting with bated breath for the MH-60R. Got clearance earlier this year from the US Gov...
by John
18 Sep 2019 00:34
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

:eek: why does p17A nilgiri image only showing 1 helicopter hanger and and not two like in shivalik class Wiki Chacha says P-17A can house two HAL Dhruv or two Sea King Mk42Bs. So one big helo door, but the helo cabin will house two helos. Better design. Has our P-15 or P-17 vessels ever embarked t...
by John
17 Sep 2019 02:30
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Any particular reason the QRSAM wouldn't fit the Navy bill? Curious to know what's the difference between QRSAM and VL-Astra. Naval operations might mean interfacing with a new radar, very low altitude intercept for sea-skimmers, accommodating sea-clutter. But is there anything in the QRSAM design ...
by John
14 Sep 2019 18:07
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1686
Views: 429487

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Only Spyder-MR, Derby with booster has height ceiling of around 14 km. Pls find out the height ceiling of Spyder-SR. Of these two, pls find out which one participated in Indian Army SR-SAM tender. Obviously you will know the answer. Not sure the point of sarcastic comment while completing ignoring ...
by John
14 Sep 2019 04:32
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1686
Views: 429487

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Infact Army wanted a less capable missile than Akash as it wanted the missile system to be light weight. Akash can reach 18 kms in altitude compared to just 6 kms for QRSAM, just 1/3rd. Obviously missile becomes light and more mobile. Kanson where are you getting this 6 km altitude from? That's far...
by John
14 Sep 2019 03:47
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Any Chance, P-15's will get a few Brahmos replacing the Uran missiles, although given some of the Pakistani "Corvettes" built by Damen etc, we should have some cheap missiles to sink many of them without wasting Brahmos. I believe there was proposal to replace it with 2x4 brahmos in incli...
by John
12 Sep 2019 04:00
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Military Aviation - 06 March 2019
Replies: 182
Views: 33513

Re: Indian Military Aviation - 06 March 2019

Philip wrote:Anyone remember the ongoing crisis with Boeing's 737 Max birds!

OT let's move that discussion to Intl Aviation we can discuss there.
by John
12 Sep 2019 01:20
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1686
Views: 429487

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

stupid question - if Aakash SAM can do the work do we need the Iron Dome or the S400? rather, why are we going for them when Aakash has the same capability? Akash is a 30km ranged missile meant for targets which leak past the AF's Combat Air Patrols or (now) longer ranged SAMs. The longer ranged SA...
by John
11 Sep 2019 21:51
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1686
Views: 429487

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Prasad wrote:It is a ramjet powered missile. Nothing fancy. You could turn the Akash into one and call it Pinaka 3 in a few years' time.

No Akash Ramjet has limited burn time nor can it be throttled, it cannot have range of more than 30 km. Brahmos is different story.
by John
11 Sep 2019 17:05
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1686
Views: 429487

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Even the baseline Akash SAM has demonstrated counter-PGM capability having successfully intercepted SPICE 2000 glide bombs during acceptance trials as revealed by @DRDO_India. DRDO says that it can intercept targets at altitudes as low as 30 metres. https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1171285263059...
by John
10 Sep 2019 19:51
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

GRSE had promised cutting P17A construction to commissioning time from 7-8 yrs during P17 to 4-5 yrs by using modular building techniques. It’s taken them 2 yrs to launch, similar to P17, seems unlikely they would be able to meet their deadline. Although, we can’t just blame shipbuilding time - it ...
by John
09 Sep 2019 04:25
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1686
Views: 429487

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

However, dont forget the altitude limitation. The QRSAM can handle targets flying at 6km, not more.


Source for this that seems to be big limitations. Even OSA have ceiling of 12km.
by John
07 Sep 2019 01:10
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Military Helicopters
Replies: 4320
Views: 704432

Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Wasn’t Pars acquisition held up because of Russian complaints.
by John
05 Sep 2019 21:58
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Start with larger orders of a single class of vessel instead of piddly 3-ships each. Avoid pie-in-the-sky procurement attempts like SSK's with Brahmos VLS which hamstrung the P-75I acquisition for years. More ASW corvettes and helos are also the need of the hour. The best way to counter Chinese aer...
by John
04 Sep 2019 04:09
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

I have asked many times this questions--- post the fire in INS Shivalik --- have we seen it back in action? We had numerous exercises and photo-ops post that incident - but sister ships of same class was present but not Shivalik itself... Union Defence Minister Rajnath Singh visits frontline stealt...
by John
02 Sep 2019 10:37
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1686
Views: 429487

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Infact Maitri program involves tech transfer of Mica missile as reported. France demonstrated land based Mica (naval) first to Indian audience.

I thought SR SAM will be entirely new missile and the main transfer of tech will be the vertical launch mechanism.
by John
30 Aug 2019 02:30
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Russian Weapons & Military Technology
Replies: 1644
Views: 263526

Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

In the Aug. 8 incident, Russian scientists were reportedly testing the Burevestnik missile system, which is also known as the 9M730 or, in NATO, as the SSC-X-9 Skyfall. Looks like it was triggered during sea recovery operation one of vessels involved exploded. " US intel report says mysterious...
by John
29 Aug 2019 18:38
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1686
Views: 429487

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Karan M wrote:Possible replacement for OSA-AKM.

It is listed as SA-6 replacement as well in some news briefs along with OSA.
by John
26 Aug 2019 15:15
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Actually, there has been some "discussion" as to why the Aussies chose the French design. Their long term plan is to build nuclear-powered submarines and someone " thought" it s as might be well to have a design that is actually derived from a nuclear boat. Seen that argument I ...
by John
24 Aug 2019 22:51
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

kit, if the French sold the Aussies the Shortfin Barracuda...the French will sell India the Longfin Barracuda. That ironclad agreement that the French and Aussies have is for the Shortfin Barracuda platform that is customized for the Royal Australian Navy. The French are however free to sell the Ba...
by John
16 Aug 2019 02:18
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014
Replies: 3323
Views: 503252

Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Note: Asking India to break license agreements and "be like China" constitutes trolling. If you need to ask why, and make repetitive, pointless arguments despite umpteen discussions on the topic which have already addressed these points and reiterated that it is the GOI's stated position ...
by John
09 Aug 2019 23:58
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Karthik S wrote:Is max diving depth highly confidential ?

I don’t think max depth is 75 meters though it will lower than depth of subs using HY Steel and also more venerable to explosions. I suspect that depth figure is the operating depth in Baltic Sea which is around 70 meters.
by John
09 Aug 2019 16:54
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

If the IN insists that the 75-Is must carry B'Mos, its going to be tough for the non- Ru boats. B'Mos NG hasn't arrived yet but will definitely appear before the first boat is built.What the IN needs to avoid is trying like OZ to fit into a conventional boat the capabilities of an N-boat. There are...
by John
08 Aug 2019 17:42
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Amur is a one-off design meant to reduce weight and was originally intended for littoral duties , in the Baltics for example.What is being offered to India is a flexible design based upon the Amur which comes in several sizes.India can tailor it to its requirements. Nevertheless, it has yet to adop...
by John
07 Aug 2019 18:33
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1686
Views: 429487

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

The cut down in #s for S-400 IMO is due to high cost Russians were demanding well over 10 billion if I recall correctly. Even then they are fleecing us If you look at breakdown of missiles China got much better bargain than us (of course apologists will claim it has nuclear deal, inflation etc).
by John
05 Aug 2019 16:36
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

The Soryu is considerably bigger, than the HDW 209 or Scorpene. Only the Shortfin Barracuda is bigger than the Scorpene. The Soryu would be an excellent boat for the IN. But it will likely never happen. The Shortfin Barracuda is the next best bet. But that will likely not happen either. Project 75I...
by John
03 Aug 2019 19:22
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Vivek K wrote:Make your own submarines with the expertise generated!

Unlike U-209 where HDW handed over most tech to build the sub locally, DCN has been careful on the tech transfer to make sure MDL will be reliant and cannot simply reverse engineer critical components.
by John
30 Jul 2019 07:56
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Project 75I - It Begins
Replies: 867
Views: 137780

Re: Project 75I - It Begins

Even in case of Brahmos though India has the majority stake, Russians has not allowed or given the clearance to sell to other countries. They cleared it for a few nations but nothing matelerized because Russians offered Yakhont at a much cheaper price to Indonesia and Vietnam. They also packaged it...
by John
28 Jul 2019 18:15
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 5105
Views: 755171

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

It's one thing to sell weapons other thingto fully transfer tech to China under the table and help china with multiple programs. The amount under the table deals russia has done with china far exceeds the actual reported deals. Doesn't matter still it is paid vs. funded. Grow up. May be you should ...
by John
28 Jul 2019 18:09
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 5105
Views: 755171

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Yes they do because those are donations(Baksheesh) vs. sale with their own cash money. It's one thing to sell weapons other thingto fully transfer tech to China under the table and help china with multiple programs. The amount under the table deals russia has done with china far exceeds the actual ...
by John
17 Jul 2019 23:41
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Rbu-6000 can be used against surface vessels the Rgb-60 rounds can be programmed with a timer for that purpose and I believe we are developing some indigenous rounds to replace rgb-60. Currently an enhanced longer range version has been developed, perhaps we should add other types of rounds more spe...
by John
05 Jul 2019 16:58
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

How fast do you think SSNs prowl when they are hunting? Subs are ambush predators of the deeps. Yes, but Diesel Electric subs are far slower and if go faster it will eat into endurance. Many AIP systems are noisy when run at speed and in order to extend range the subs using AIP move at 1 or 2 knots...
by John
02 Jul 2019 19:10
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 1947
Views: 427975

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

A SSN is in the range of 2-3 billion per unit! You get 4-6 SSK for that money! Which SSK? Kilos perhaps but high maintenance costs and technology wise they are multiple generations behind the Scorpene (even agosta has a better combat management system than the Kilo). Unless you build fully indigeno...

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