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by John
18 Jan 2019 23:24
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Military Helicopters
Replies: 3834
Views: 528732

Re: Indian Military Helicopters

I have a feeling IA will hold the LCH to the cost and go for more Rudra. You are technically getting double the numbers with some inferior capability, however still with rockets, AAM,, FLIR & ATGM. 2 Rudra will have more loadout over 1 LCH, nor can it be on two places at the same time. Actually...
by John
18 Jan 2019 22:02
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Military Helicopters
Replies: 3834
Views: 528732

Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Rudra is half the price of LCH? The weapon type,number of engine, majority of the avonics are similar. LCH might be able to carry 4 more ? ATGM. Higher speed due to the shape. But then I don't think the cost includes weapons. What adds to the cost of LCH? Low rate of production? May be it is the co...
by John
18 Jan 2019 18:40
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 973
Views: 180722

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

^ I believe there was plan to fit Barak-8 + Mf-Star which would be equally complex and more expensive. If that is still planned as part of extensive refit may be in mid next decade not sure why cannot lump in elevator modification as part of that.
by John
16 Jan 2019 23:46
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Military Helicopters
Replies: 3834
Views: 528732

Re: Indian Military Helicopters

True.However, building such variants was repirtedly sjot dow becos of cost.Tucanos are in service in several nations.Even the armed Yak-130 is a cheaper option than armed Hawk variants.It can carry 3 tons of ordnance like AAMs, ASMs, PG bombs, etc on 6 uw stations, plus two wing- tip AAMs/ ESM pods...
by John
16 Jan 2019 19:37
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Replies: 3481
Views: 733666

Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Neshant wrote:
John wrote:Contract for 83 should be signed soon.


What have they been doing all this while.

The usual price negotiations while writing blank checks for Russian imports..
by John
16 Jan 2019 19:29
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Russian Weapons & Military Technology
Replies: 1527
Views: 206427

Re: Russian Weapons & Military Technology

^^^ Yes there some real RC Mig-29s around but the original video was definitely CGI. Its from a simulator its says right in video description. Amazed at all discussion whether it is CGI or RC or not here and in YouTube comments section when author clearly states everything :D FANTASTIC Russian Miko...
by John
15 Jan 2019 19:11
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Military Helicopters
Replies: 3834
Views: 528732

Re: Indian Military Helicopters

IMO Helicopters are useful for COIN we have seen how quickly apache's and mi-28 are used to level any large insurgent attacks in Iraq/Afghanistan. Lack of attack helicopters greatly hurt Iraq during ISIL rise.
by John
15 Jan 2019 09:10
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread
Replies: 452
Views: 110837

Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Austin wrote:PA testing its newly acquired LY 80 SAM from China , Video

https://twitter.com/Ali_answers/status/ ... 1465395202

There are reports that couple of these are in unkil labs being dissected I do wonder who might have provided them...
by John
14 Jan 2019 20:49
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Military Helicopters
Replies: 3834
Views: 528732

Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Philip wrote:In Afghanistan, the US lost 12 Apaches, 15 UH-60s and 27 Chinooks.The Saudis have slso lost a few in Yemen.

0 apache due to hostile fire and 13 Chinook due to hostile fire.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... fghanistan
by John
14 Jan 2019 19:03
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Military Helicopters
Replies: 3834
Views: 528732

Re: Indian Military Helicopters

^ Su-25 didn't fair to well against manpads and no amount of armor is going to protect you from that ( need a soft kill mechanism or APS).
by John
14 Jan 2019 04:53
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Replies: 3481
Views: 733666

Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Contract for 83 should be signed soon. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/the-lowdown-on-hals-order-book/article25980989.ece HAL has also stated that with anticipated collections up to March, the cash position is expected to improve and in terms of future orders, final contracts for 83 LCA Mk1A ...
by John
13 Jan 2019 21:54
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 118
Views: 36323

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Considering we wrote a blank check to Russia for S-400 with no extensive trials and testing I love how they are complaining about this. Perhaps we should acknowledge and do the same for S-400 & Grigorivich deals.
by John
10 Jan 2019 23:42
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 973
Views: 180722

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Aditya_V wrote:Per Wiki P-28 top speed is 25knots

It's wiki it's based on initial specs, There was article that higher displacement caused lower top speed for first two vessels hence they moved to composite mast for latter two. I believe Kitan can get close to 24 knots.
by John
10 Jan 2019 19:30
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Replies: 3481
Views: 733666

Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

Can we stick to topic? This is turning into discussion for Malaysia RFI? There is intl thread for that.
by John
10 Jan 2019 18:11
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 973
Views: 180722

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Are you referring to this? http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/kochi/2019/jan/07/csl-to-sign--rs-5400-crore-contract-with-navy-1921517.html As link states these are ASW corvettes intended to built cheaply in larger nos we discussed them a couple pages back. More P-28 appear to be unlikely as sta...
by John
09 Jan 2019 19:00
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 973
Views: 180722

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Are you referring to this? http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/kochi/2019/jan/07/csl-to-sign--rs-5400-crore-contract-with-navy-1921517.html As link states these are ASW corvettes intended to built cheaply in larger nos we discussed them a couple pages back. More P-28 appear to be unlikely as stat...
by John
09 Jan 2019 02:29
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 973
Views: 180722

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/1082626750578741249 ---> Given Mazagon Dockyard Limited's idling capacity, one additional P-15B & one more P-17A can probably be built there by the second half of the 2020s. I think New Delhi should seriously look at this. GRSE, Kolkata is also in the same bo...
by John
04 Jan 2019 19:38
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments
Replies: 2781
Views: 404081

Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

I would not waste my time trying to reengineer Tunguska the system is just a mess. The plan was to build a suite of systems around Skyshield (fixed, tracked, naval etc) but bribery scandal conveniently killed that venture..
by John
04 Jan 2019 18:29
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments
Replies: 2781
Views: 404081

Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

^ IA considering Ki-30 Biho SPAAG system? Maybe not too happy with Tunguska, it's a maintenance hog. Multiple issues iirc Russians shipped rusted Tunguska systems, system failed to live up to marketing brochure and as you mentioned it was maintenance nightmare. With China money train drying up ( mo...
by John
03 Jan 2019 18:32
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Naval LCA - News and Discussion
Replies: 964
Views: 150372

Re: Naval LCA - News and Discussion

^ Why do we keep discussing Rafale for Vikrant and Vikram, Rafale will not fit in lift of either carrier and even if we sort that out Dassault will require IN funding for Ski jump operations certification. So all said and done just fielding a squadron of Rafale will cost over 6 billion IMO... We re...
by John
03 Jan 2019 11:16
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Naval LCA - News and Discussion
Replies: 964
Views: 150372

Re: Naval LCA - News and Discussion

^ Why do we keep discussing Rafale for Vikrant and Vikram, Rafale will not fit in lift of either carrier and even if we sort that out Dassault will require IN funding for Ski jump operations certification. So all said and done just fielding a squadron of Rafale will cost over 6 billion IMO...
by John
29 Dec 2018 20:50
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 118
Views: 36323

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Its a bit facetious to claim that subsonic cruise missiles are dead. Low flying CMs like the Nirbhay are practically undetectable and are very effective against a wide variety of land targets. Not every land target is going to be protected with a S400 type system. I am also worried about the lack o...
by John
29 Dec 2018 09:49
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 118
Views: 36323

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

One of the defence youtube channel is claiming Nirbhay program is going the Trishul way and is going to be abandoned/cancelled. I mentioned it while back that Nirbhay will likely get the ax simply took too long and shift to hypersonic missiles is all the rage now. This should be case study of how n...
by John
28 Dec 2018 21:13
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Naval Aviation
Replies: 618
Views: 92159

Re: Indian Naval Aviation


let see may be new AESA later on for 29K is possible plus TVC RD-33MK

This was discussed couple years ago and if I recall correctly 29k was not considered to have tvc because of lower MTBO and challenges with maintenance.
by John
28 Dec 2018 00:36
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018
Replies: 3481
Views: 733666

Re: Tejas Mk.1 & Mk.1A News & Discussions: 09 February 2018

http://www.businessworld.in/amp/article/-HAL-Is-Working-To-Deliver-Remaining-Tejas-To-IAF-By-March-2019-/26-12-2018-165552/#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s HAL working to deliver remaining Tejas by March 2019. All 40 LCA are expected to be delivered by 2022 ie Max p...
by John
27 Dec 2018 01:33
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: International Naval News & Discussion
Replies: 3286
Views: 411671

Re: International Naval News & Discussion

^ Yea i figured the cost won't include AEGIS, sensor suite and Mk 41 but it is still seems quite cheap for the price since vessels aren't going to get built for another couple years. Last design showcased 48 Mk41 cells and 16 K-VLS so beefier armament than Vishakapatnam and if you factor in inflatio...
by John
27 Dec 2018 00:06
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: International Naval News & Discussion
Replies: 3286
Views: 411671

Re: International Naval News & Discussion

South Korea is moving ahead with 6 Aegis Destroyers. I am impressed they can crank these out at billion a piece, so in spite of much lower budget they are able to keep pace with PLAN. http://www.defenseworld.net/news/23951/South_Korea_Approves_Plan_to_Develop_Six_Aegis_equipped_Destroyers#.XCPHgzBKh...
by John
26 Dec 2018 19:36
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 118
Views: 36323

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

i dont think the brahmos airframe can take Mach8 speed. tsirkon would have the typical wedge shape that is shown for scramjet missiles. http://sohanews.sohacdn.com/zoom/640_360/2017/5-1503755268300-0-29-478-800-crop-1503755280857.jpg russian made take on the brahmos is the yakhont. Yakhont is expor...
by John
25 Dec 2018 09:50
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 973
Views: 180722

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Orekh is H/I band Tracking and FC radar in CW and other modes , If Fregat is lost then Orekh can still do the tracking but at reduced range 70 km or less and far lesser number of targets to track ( in lower single digit )and nor more than 1 or 2 to guide the SAM. First of all Orekh has range of aro...
by John
25 Dec 2018 03:21
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 973
Views: 180722

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Austin I am lost what you are trying to say Orekh a illuminator will guide Active guided missiles? Orekh will not provide target cuing or mcg it will the job of Fregat. Orekh is both a PD and CW illumination radar it can guide any missile as long as the missile is integrated with it , Orekh can als...
by John
21 Dec 2018 23:17
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 973
Views: 180722

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

It does not matter what the guidance system is CG , SARH or ARH you need to provide missile quality track data and guide it to the target and provide MCG update , The ARH homing comes into plan only last few 10 km depending on target RCS or even less for most part you need high quality track data o...
by John
21 Dec 2018 22:01
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 973
Views: 180722

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Official source for this cannot open YouTube at work? I find it strange they would fit Orekh FCR when it has 9m317ma, IMO it’s available option but I don’t think they carry them. Also pairing it with Fregat will greatly limit their capability. Yes they do carry them that is the reason the trials go...
by John
21 Dec 2018 18:52
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 973
Views: 180722

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

If the missile works as advertised, this is a pretty solid upgrade to the 3 Delhis, 3 Shivaliks, 6 Talwar/Teg vessels. If we're going to upgrade to ship's to go missiles. Then why not get MRSAM. Same problem as fitting 9m317MA you need a radar system that provides continuous tracking like Mf-Star o...
by John
21 Dec 2018 01:07
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 973
Views: 180722

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Is that confirmed? The VLS Shtil plus the ARH mode? Wouldn't that still require some kind of multifunction radar? Yes , VLS Shtil uses 9M317MA anti-aircraft missiles with active seeker , Talwar class uses 9M317M anti-aircraft missiles Z5Z7D6B7TN4 Official source for this cannot open YouTube at work...
by John
20 Dec 2018 19:11
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 973
Views: 180722

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

The IN still deploys LW-08 on newer ship for 2D Volume Search LR Radar and those of 80's design conventional antenna type but it has it own operational benefits due to it Band and Wave form pattern specially in detecting LO targets at long range. Fyi would have switched over to RAN-40L (i believe w...
by John
20 Dec 2018 06:00
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 973
Views: 180722

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

How exactly are they outdated? The weapons and sensors are quite decent. There is no necessity for an expensive multi-function radar if you're not facing saturation strikes that can overwhelm defences. Helicopter capacity is good enough for its displacement. Don’t get me wrong these are not bad ves...
by John
19 Dec 2018 18:27
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 973
Views: 180722

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

This will end up taking nearly as much time and money as building P17 here, isn't it? Sounds like it. In fact, there is risk all around from building to engine procurement to payment to political risk (CAATSA.) Better to just raise the order of P17 imho. Yes and likely more time and all said and do...
by John
18 Dec 2018 20:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 973
Views: 180722

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

It doesn't look like GSL will be responsible for anything with first two vessels since the contracts with them only specify last 2 vessels. I believe Yantar SY will be installing the turbines as well or it is possible they are already installed but Ukraine refused to furnish key parts to complete it?
by John
18 Dec 2018 19:58
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018
Replies: 973
Views: 180722

Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

The P17A are also going to have MF Star just like P15A/B. Chances are next line of destroyer will be based on P17A So for all practical purposes, we are building 7+3 destroyer. It is a better way to deal with the delays from shipyard. Think you meant to say 7+4 :D . Overall size increase of P-17 ca...

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