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by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 19:37
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Re: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attac

a man who is ready to blow up as soon as he sees you and has a cyanide capsule as backup. That does not seem to be the fidayeen model. The fidayeen appear to be trained to draw fire and engage till the very last bullet. They are suicidal attackers not suicide bombers. As soon as the word will go ou...
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 19:30
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Karan M wrote: What prevents an epileptic jihadi from spasming an entire magazine into the hostages?
There is a reason why SF train for kill shots to the head!


Death spasms can happen even with a head shot, and it is not always possible to take a head shot.
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 19:26
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Dear Tuvaluan,

So your opinion is that all efforts will fail because of a US-Pakistani conspiracy that is bent against India. Okay now I understand where you are coming from.
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 19:10
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Re: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attac

So for psychological pressure on unnamed people whom you don't know about, India should send its troops into harms way trying to take rabid animals alive. What if it was done with no additional human casualties? - for example if a Daksh was used with a military grade taser. Or say a high frequency ...
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 19:04
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Just a general observation on this statement -- this is the same "rogue ISI" logic that the pakistani army uses on the rest of the planet to deny their involvement in global terrorism. Yes that is the narrative they put out - I am asking what can be done to make this pretense unsustainabl...
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 18:56
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Dear Karan M, The way I see it - some risk has to be taken to get the hostages out and suppress the fidayeen. Incremental risks will lead to incremental rewards - but without risks there will no rewards. I am not questioning why - I merely know that the NSA asked for it and it could not be delivered...
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 18:48
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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And what are the identifiable negative consequences to Pakistan as a result of this public exposure? It is difficult to quantify the exact impacts on Pakistan but there is a visible direct psychological pressure on named individuals and their as yet unnamed colleagues. The current machinery is set ...
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 18:41
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Re: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attac

Arre bhai, I am just trying to see if there is any way to use a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer.
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 18:39
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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It is worse because till this date no way has been found by all sorts of well funded agencies worldwide to achieve this sort of capability and reliably deploy it. So because no one else has succeeded in these goals - India cannot succeed where others have failed? The risks however when it fails can...
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 18:26
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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The biggest threat to any state is public exposure of involvement in terrorism. During the recent bombing in the Kabul Blue Zone, the Afghan intelligence community identified the ISI official who orchestrated it but then deliberately only released his first name. The implied threat here was stop or ...
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 17:55
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Dear Karan M, I think we will just have to agree to disagree on the comparison issue. Generally speaking I will attempt to steer clear of contentious issues, I hope you will do the same. Losing people in constant battles of attrition to capture people of dubious value as versus losing people once an...
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 17:13
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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It is correct that PAPC were better suited to the task but their response time is about the same as what Bombay Police did. The casualties in Gurdaspur were low because it is less populated area. It is not fair to make this comparison. Bhai I don't want to fight anyone. I am using words Shiv has inv...
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 16:53
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/punjab-dgp-saini-tried-to-get-gusdaspur-attackers-alive/article1-1374459.aspx That is what makes the first response - from our local police forces - critical to how a terrorist attack shapes up or is blunted. Here, the Punjab police signalled its capabilitie...
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 15:08
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Harpal Bector wrote:<"poof!" Harpal Bector, despite his girth, dived behind the Sonata and looked frantically around for the sniper wearing an Admin cap, as his post vanished in a cloud of pixie dust..... >


Sorry didn't realise what was happening. My mistake. Thanks for the heads up.
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 14:57
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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<"poof!" Harpal Bector, despite his girth, dived behind the Sonata and looked frantically around for the sniper wearing an Admin cap, as his post vanished in a cloud of pixie dust..... >
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 06:45
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Arre Shivji Sir, You don't have to do this tandav nritya - you can just ask me to stop posting. I will do so. The letters from the SG come from 56 APO. That is why I said 56 APO. I figured that experts like yourself would get the reference. I am sure you have received letters like this one http://ti...
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 06:20
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Arre Shivji, you are not on my ignore list - it was published in ToI. Why would I release secret information? This the overwhelming evidence that Sri. Jaitley was referring to on the floor of the house. The GoI found material evidence that linked directly to Pakistan. That was when the matter was di...
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 05:55
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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It seems the material evidence was in the form of files that were not properly deleted. There was a data entry at Sargodha. That is where the device was first turned on. Whoever cleared the entries in the device afterwards, didn't know about or forgot to clear the original power-up data for Sargodha.
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 04:45
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Deja Vu all over! Could it be 2005 again, with a certain P Iyengar in the house and a "maverick" pleading for Pee-track diplomacy?! 'Cept this time P Iyengar was shaheedized in Gurdaspur! Yes Sir, but as Sid says - those are my grandmother's stories - which no one wants to hear. And you t...
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 04:43
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Since you are the one making grand proclamations here, why don't you provide 5 ways in which Pakistan has changed, that would require a different perception of pakistan. We all know they have a freer hand in Afghanisthan than they did in the last decade, thanks to the US scum, so we will leave that...
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 03:52
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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HB, You know those MB are on other side of LOC only. Sorry I don't know where they are now. The last time I saw them on my screen they were being used to shore up 18 Div in Hyderabad Sukkur area. Perhaps 18 Div was feeling depleted after things were pulled out to create V Corps reserve (now called ...
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 00:07
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Ramana, there is no difference between TPSA regulars and terrorists (India focused one HM, Let, HAU etc) any more. Has not been for a while. I think they should just raise a new regt and call it Jehadi Regt. High time our media and public at large get this. Oh I missed this - Kapoorji - ask your fr...
by Harpal Bector
31 Jul 2015 00:06
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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From India's perspective, does it matter how the paki army scum look at pakistan? What is this american snake oil you are selling here with respect to paki army scum? First they are all grandmasters and now these mofos are very different because they view pakistan very different? WTF is wrong with ...
by Harpal Bector
30 Jul 2015 23:57
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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I did not do a statistical analysis, genius. I pointed out that existing data from say satp.org or other sites maintaining stats on number of deaths due to paki terrorism show that you are full of sh!t. Most of the casualties were in J&K and those have dropped over the last decade. That doesn't...
by Harpal Bector
30 Jul 2015 23:27
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Via Shiv, Harpal Bector wrote: "my assessment that Pakistan has come a long way since the tactically brilliant phase of General Musharraf. One is coping with a different Pakistan today than in ages past. " What is different about the Pakistan of 2015 compared say, to the Pakistan of 2004?...
by Harpal Bector
30 Jul 2015 23:24
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Non sequitir, like all your other responses. I have answered your questions as best I can. If that is not satisfactory I am sorry to disappoint you. The point is how much of damage are they causing in reality...more Indians die due to traffic accidents by many orders of magnitude than few hundred (...
by Harpal Bector
30 Jul 2015 23:20
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Arre bhai, as I have told Fanne I am not Pakistani.

If I was - wouldn't the mods ban me? have that much faith at least.
by Harpal Bector
30 Jul 2015 23:15
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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mayo wrote: In all your theories, Pakis are the mards with hunter in their hands, always designing devious experiments against hapless desis. Bharatiyas are the dormant punching bags.


I said Pakistan's national security ideas revolve around being the first movers.
by Harpal Bector
30 Jul 2015 22:05
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Guys, why are we wasting our time with this chap ? His credentials are 0, his intentions are highly suspect, he is clearly batting for the other side, his logic is idiotic, he keeps changing his stand like a chameleon. Why waste our energy on him. I suggest we report him. I already have. Now what i...
by Harpal Bector
30 Jul 2015 21:57
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Perhaps, but what does any of this have to do with your nonsense about pakis getting more formidable and "penetrating deep into Indian territory"? The IB is the most heavily policed area in India. If they can get past that I don't see how a few dozen ICG boats will be able to keep them ou...
by Harpal Bector
30 Jul 2015 21:44
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Actually I have even said that part a 1000 times. The Pakistanis will use that information to tailor their own response timescales. If they measure India's response timescale to be 1 day, they will try to put a defensive process in place that will take less than a day to implement so that when the b...
by Harpal Bector
30 Jul 2015 21:18
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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If Modi/Doval intentionally choose to delay the response by, let's say, two weeks and then do some real good ass-whupping, what can the porkies or masters learn from that timing? What makes you believe that the Govt is going to behave like a programmed automaton and respond in the least amount of t...
by Harpal Bector
30 Jul 2015 21:15
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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That was not the first time they did that either -- defensive infrastructure is not meant keep out 100% of intruders 100% of the time -- effectiveness is measured in terms of how many people get in over some interval of time, and how often they manage to get in. Err... the IB is supposed to be more...
by Harpal Bector
30 Jul 2015 21:05
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Dear Akshay, I didn't mean to put you in a spot. You don't have to respond right away to what I am proposing. You can take your time and talk to some friends and see what they say. I will talking others also, I just want to get a no-holds-barred review of the idea from all quarters. If it is present...
by Harpal Bector
30 Jul 2015 21:03
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Dear johneeG, A whole new special force to catch terrorists alive. Then, what? What is to be achieved by capturing these terrorists alive? Nothing comes out of it as it was proved in 26/11 Kasab's case. It made no difference at all to the final outcome so far. So, its a waste of time and money to ca...
by Harpal Bector
30 Jul 2015 20:55
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Akshay Kapoor wrote: and pray what magical weapon will they use ? Harpal logic ? It will work, the buggers will definitely surrender. As I do.


Good glad to hear you are surrendering - now we talk as we should have in the first place. FWIW I am also surrendering to you.
by Harpal Bector
30 Jul 2015 20:52
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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You should say that we should create a special team picking from NSG, Vikas, Para SF to go into Pakland and capture or eliminate high value targets. Now that would make some sense. The issues of identifying the traget, infiltrating and then exfiltrating are extremely challenging. But atleast it mak...
by Harpal Bector
30 Jul 2015 20:45
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Akshay Kapoor wrote:Whats so special about this force ? Will they change the way bullets fly so that they can wade in and capture the Harpals instead of killing them ?


They might not use bullets at all.
by Harpal Bector
30 Jul 2015 20:44
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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No it does not, but then it is still the ISI and Pakis doing the op which you are refusing to accept !! And visual inspection can show you whether it was a Nigerian or a Paki ! And in this case they were Paki regulars. So there is no way the ISI can repeat the Nairobi episode in India? Because only...
by Harpal Bector
30 Jul 2015 20:41
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Many dead, including Police SP in Gurdaspur Terror attack
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Bitter pill, my foot. As for your "humor", shove it...and speak clearly instead of writing garbage and pretending it was all humorous, when it is not. Arre bhai - I said no more humor - so chill out. Pakistan has done similar terrorist acts in the past with military personnel under the gu...

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