Bharat Rakshak

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The French negotiating team arrived in New Delhi on March 29 . Anyone know if they're still around, watching Parrikar & Carter on TV discussing F-16s & SHs, from their hotel rooms? Or have they already left for home without finalizing an agreement? The latter us more likely Otherwise rafale...

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IAF has presented our RM with two super costly choice of Rafale And T-50. I say, kill both, go for LCA and Su-30MKI while developing UCAV and AMCA for stealth role. What is it that Rafale or F/A-18 do have each and PAK-FA/FGFA does not have? They are flying and ready for induction Pakfa is atleast ...

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What exactly qualifies as offsets ? If the French figure of 8 Billion USD is accepted, they are obligated to plough back 4 Billion USD back in desh. 30% on Income by desi companies would be taxed. Net effect @ 50 % offset is 4 Billion USD less Tax income from offset amount being ploughed back .. Ne...

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the production philosophy, safety standards and quality compliance techniques in aerospace and automobile sectors are very different, even though the end requirement of defect free product is the same. one is low volume / high cost and the other is high volume / low cost. ISO/TS 16949 is the global...

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Akshay Kapoor wrote:http://obeattie.github.io/gmaps-radius/

This is the tool. What is the range of a S400 battery

400 kms I believe

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Quick question - How come Pakis can churn out the bandar so fast while our HAL is asking millions for dishing out 8 or 16 per year? Bandar might be a mig-21 with good makeup but at the end of the day both bandar and LCA are 'NOT' stealth fighter (which I expect need a big step up in tolerances and ...

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Tell me honestly. What do you really want in terms of alternatives to Rafale. Spell out a few options with costs taking into account our op needs and plans. Let's look at roles and area of operations I want Su34/ Probably 60 Given over to Indian naval aviation wing Navy will take over the dominance...

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ramana wrote:Dassault got uppity after setting up JV with Ambani gang.
They thought they can throw their weight around.

No they thought they can throw the ambani weight around

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First flight: MiG-29: 1977 Rafale: 1986 Gripen: 1988 Su-30: 1989 EF: 1994 SH: 1995 That means little. If we go by this, the F-22 prototype flew before the SH, does that mean much? Also, the Rafale that flew in 1988 was a lot different, and the Gripen E is a lot different from the Gripen A and the C...

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So there may be some substance in reports that surfaced earlier where Dassault said that the HAL labour costs on manufacturing the Rafale would be much higher than the Dassault labour costs in France. That sounded like BS then, but maybe it wasn't. Unlike the esteemed posters on this forum, I am no...

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Rafael deal happening or not happening ?

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nirav wrote:Max planned rate for now is 16/year. That too will take a year or two to hit full capacity.
Unless there is another private sector line, the numbers above are not possible.

But where are the confirmed orders justifying the third assembly line ?

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Gujju logic

Aavo bhai beso

Chai pani pivo
Sari sari vaato karo

Pan business ni vaat nahi karta

Tamaro bhav nathi posato

English

Hi welcome pl seat
Let's have tea snacks and talk shop

But pl don't discuss business your prices are prohibitive

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^^^ Déjà vu -- history repeating itself. There were plans to license produce 106 Mirage-2000s in the 80s but the deal proved too costly. Almost 2 decades later in 2001/2, the idea of local production of 126 Mirage-2000 was floated again, but that morphed into MRCA Rafale. Now almost 15 years later ...

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nirav wrote:Deal cancel.paisa nathi.

Wah gujju bhai wah

Nathi posatu

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All govts pay pvt companies to develop defence products

Even in case of rafales

French govt paid money upfront to. Dasault to develop and test flight the rafale

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I don't understand the context of obsolescence here. I have my own view of obsolescence I hope I am not mixing up things. Now lets take the case of LCA. If I remember correctly, the first order of 20 LCAs amongst few other things were placed sometime around 2007-9 when pranabda chaired a CCS meetin...

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Sid wrote:HAL/ADA are prepping 3 LCAs for Iron first next month. I think that's gonna delay Derby/Python certification.

article says they will fire Python and also demo Multiple ejector racks

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IAF to induct 8 squadrons 'Tejas' in 8 years: Manohar Parrikar http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/51155948.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst The math is a bit confusing. @16/yr is still being established. 8 squads @ 18 per squad = 144. Order in...

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2017 will bring 2 T-50-11 prototypes, which will be very close to the initial Limited Serial Production of PakFA for Russian induction (minimum of 12 by 2020). That's looks very dubious at this point. If they're to be delivered between 2019 & 2020, long lead production on those LSPs needs to st...

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to let PAK-FA mature quite a bit Everyone seems to agree on that point (outside of sputnik and a few others). The real question is what needs to "mature". We know one item: engine. What else is on that list? Clearly (again) the RuAF itself seems to be ordering only 12 (one squadron) and t...

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I don't understand the hooplah over work share On the negative side 1 if we have the expertise to develop things and ask for more work share why jointly develop ? Why not go the whole hog and develop it independently ? There is a down side too what if there are delays in our work share. Due to assoc...

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to let PAK-FA mature quite a bit Everyone seems to agree on that point (outside of sputnik and a few others). The real question is what needs to "mature". We know one item: engine. What else is on that list? Clearly (again) the RuAF itself seems to be ordering only 12 (one squadron) and t...

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Another Section of Senior ofﬁcial in IAF consider Joint venture on FGFA a customised Pak-fa variant for India will not lead to any local technical know how of complex 5th generation ﬁghter aircraft technology nor it will help Indian Scientist develop AMCA a 5th generation ﬁghter aircraft program wh...

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eastern and central sector would be atleast hashimara, bagdogra(2), guwahati, tezpur(2), chabua - room for atleast 7 squadrons. 400+ airframes needed right there when you add western front needs. throw in some more for the central sector like gorakhpur and rae bareilly Throw in 8 more sqdns 3 at An...

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When people look at deployment possibilities and strength, do look at the infrastructure angle as well. Both on eastern and western front. While Tejas has evolved into a true multi-role platform, IMO, it will be the first line of air defense on most of the western border from Srinagar in north to N...

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Why oh why don't they let the private sector open a second assembly line for the LCA. For all the shouting , what it finally all boils down to is the govt sector always getting priority and this as usual brings about endless delays. Where are the orders to support another pvt sector line ? If there...

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It will be a blessing in disguise if the deal now breaks down over the price. I hope UAE places large order for the Rafale and the French get adamant and refuse to do a frenchie. :wink: If India then negotiates for the American Teens or Gripen or god forbid MIG35 our condition for new contract shou...

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Looks like the only way forward is

Lca + su30mki + amca + pakfa + fgfa + su39mki upgrade to super su 30 standard

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Looks like the only way forward is

Lca + su30mki + amca + pakfa + fgfa + su39mki upgrade to super su 30 standard

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There were reports earlier of India asking for 6-7 billion and dasault for 12

Split the difference at 8-9

India has done that

Dasault not willing

This I
Price of 9 billions is ridiculous

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When discussing numbers, it always helps to know a bit about the air force everyone is so keen to advise! On a serious note, if one wants to understand the requirement of LCA, please stop going back to the Mig-21 argument. Most of the Mig-21/23/27 are long gone, having been replaced by Su-30MKI. A ...

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We need to understand that planes cannot be mfgd overnight and neither their capacity be increased overnight that too without committed substantial orders that will recoup investments in mfg facilities Even dasault will take 3 years to increase rafale capacity from 11 a year to 32 a year that too wi...

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The only solution is to step on the gas on tejas incremental development / paralelly and amca

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Yup, sounds great GOI 36 Rafale +36 F-18+36 EF Hopefully all this is to put pressure on Dassault :mrgreen: Sounds like stalling tactics to me. The price per unit for a MRCA (of any variety) is hard to swallow. For a country like India, $10 billion for just 36 aircraft (2 squadrons) is ludicrous. It...

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rohiths wrote:Keep dreaming on.. Even the most optimistic scenario is 200 LCAs till 2030. I will be happy if the Airforce has a total availability adjusted strength of 500 4+ gen aircraft by 2030.

OK and what are those 4+ gen aircrafts by 2030 ?

Tejas & su30mki

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Shiv Your point about employing the no is tejas brandied about and the nned for ancillary (Sam / airfields / AWACS / refuellers ) are valid But What with 200 or 500 tejas we are limiting ourselves to only 3 options 1. China land border 2. Obsessed with employing of tejas in deep strike role 3. See t...

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Numbers play an important role in their own way

Shouldn't be discounted

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Who can say for sure though, as new supercruise engines have yet to materialize. THE problem, and understandably so, with Russia is funds. It is not just "FGFA", they have recently offered to co-develop the engine for the FGFA. Read: Funds (again understandably). While India has opted to ...

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I don't think it's about reactors but I think it's about access to uranium and plutonium Which will be given only if we buy reactors in a packaged deal Which again will come with defence products - overpriced There are already agreements now with Canada, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Australia, etc. to pro...

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