Bharat Rakshak

hemant_sai

I am sorry but we are taking it too lightly. It should not be that let congi state anything but they are not going to win, so ignore it. If we have this mentality, it is pathetic that we are not alert and serious enough. More than bjp, media and any organisation which cares for this country should b...

hemant_sai

220 + 201 + 272 + 189 = 882 So 189 is the mysterious number but why it would include amca at all? It could also be seen as imported no. Including existing 36. I would love to see the expected timeline though :) Is it 2040 or 2045? I am more interested in time till 2035. 201 is not even starting till...

hemant_sai

If at all numbers need to be made up and older stuff retired, we may pick up retiring M2K coming on the market as a 10 year filler. I would take it happily. But I read that those additional mirages are only coming to maintain existing fleet. Not to be used as additional combat fleet. Other surprise...

hemant_sai

@hemant_sai: This is the plan ---> https://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?p=2616101#p2616101 I say again....Keep Calm and Carry On! Yes, I will wait till 2030 to post again :) So 1 last qn, we can spend billions on rafale which is based on 70/80 kn engine. And we don't want dependency on y...

hemant_sai

1) I had mentioned in earlier post, I still want to continue with Tejas Mk2 development but I am not in favour for production units now. 2) For AMCA, I am not in favour of even putting efforts for prototypes but technology development must continue. Prototyping efforts should be deferred to 2031 or ...

hemant_sai

200% with you on this. It is only with assumption that iaf is looking for some capabilities which mk1a can't fulfill but Mig29 can.
Also we cannot scale up mk1a as we are limited by engine supply.
We need quantity sooner, no other motive to promote Mig29.

hemant_sai

No accountability, No retrospection? If iaf takes the accountability and we have to leave at it, I am fine. But if they leave the blame to MoD then it is not good. We are effectively at mercy of MoD babus who could be manipulated by external forces. IAF should take responsibility for time bound prod...

hemant_sai

1) fact that other than mk1a , no new production will be started before 2032. And there are more chances that even 2032/33 is not guaranteed. 2) and in any case we need 26 rafale M + 54 iaf = 80 (total 90 for iaf wl b good enough as per Air Marshal R. Nambiar). Assuming India will push for local ass...

hemant_sai

Recent Alpha Defence video posted pointed to further possible delays of Mk2 rollout going in 2026 and even that is not certain to say first flight in 2027. Reasons could be many, but this needs serious evaluation now. 1) I am still in favour of completing the Mk2 process which is stepping stone and ...

hemant_sai

One of my observation is that BJP is not properly exposing nexus between khangress and china. BJP is not even properly exposing how khangress is taken over by communists in India who serve CPC. They are not able to convey properly yet on how khangress is not good for national security and integrity....

hemant_sai

@premkumar you are right, problem here is we have RM who is clueless. Respected RM is really not suitable for this position but God knows why Modi is failing to understand this. If RM is not changed after 2024 elections, We should not keep high expectations going ahead. Tejas mk2 fiasco is biggest t...

hemant_sai

Maitya ji, can you please help us understand that if we had already involved Safran for Kaveri earlier and now with even new JV,
why GTRE is approaching russian institutes for flight testing?

Is it bcoz it is comparatively cheap by considerable margin?

hemant_sai

@Pratyush - sorry couldn't locate IAF thread. If you could provide the link?

hemant_sai

Correction to wild dreamzzz...But still seems like a dream :( If we are serious about Atmanirbharta in defence w.r.t. fighter planes and powerful enough to deter china, IAF and GoI must plan for, 140 mk1A (7) 260 mk2 (13) 160 tedbf/orca (8) (Navy tedbf not included) 140 amca (7) ==== OR ==== 140 mk1...

hemant_sai

I was hoping for someone to give positive message that yes, mk2 orders will be placed well before 2029.
Sadly everyone seems to be of same opinion as mine.

Now I will be happy only when I will hear that mk1a numbers are going to be 200.

hemant_sai

AMCA design was modified in 2020 for DSI intakes. Same was also included for TEDBF design. For Tejas Mk2, we wanted to avoid delays as it was expected to start production as early as 2026. Now we are in 2023 and rollout itself is planned for 2024. But we are very reluctant to put parallel efforts fo...

hemant_sai

GTRE wants to test the Kaveri with afterburner on the Tejas to generate data. Has been asking for it for a few years now. Not the dry version. May be MoD is waiting for OMCA (unmanned) version of Tejas :) And if GTRE is really willing then they are also sure of safety and no threat to pilot due to ...

hemant_sai

GE 414 deal doesn't make any sense to me. India owned engine via JV is anyways highest priority. None of Tejas mk2 , Amca or Tedbf will be ordered or signalled for production this decade. We are unnecessarily committing to GE 414. There are obvious rework w.r.t. new engines but planning the same alo...

hemant_sai

My apology in advance for sudden negative post:) Are we confident of bjp win in 2029? If not then, it is certainly end game of mk2. One thing is certain that mk2 orders are not going to be officially made before 2029. In the absence of bjp, no power on earth can make it happen. So in this thread may...

hemant_sai

.... Political leadership has to initiate such reforms at least for the defense production are in the DM if they want better results than what we have been seeing for decades. I do agree but this is what we expect now that BJP has continuous 9 years in power. It is obvious that BJP's political lead...

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This Tejas Mk2 saga is sabotage by vested interests of DRDO and HAL? Clearly ADA and HAL are accountable for loose talks and misleading the nation. On what basis they had given earlier timelines without any disclaimer and in-fact bragging about shorter timelines to rollout 01st proto and 01st flight...

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@RoyG - you are bang on target and main crux of the issue in simple 2 sentences :) We have to accept that we do not have solution to it. Especially when other indic sections are also in a way radicalized to support them. Only after next 30-40 years, when the inevitable will start and India will plun...

hemant_sai

One fallout of Russia Ukraine war is that Ukraine will be more aligned with India's enemies than before.
Are we getting rid of any dependencies on Ukraine? And will a prosperous Ukraine in future become headache to India?

hemant_sai

This assembly line has not appeared out of nowhere. HAL chairman is well aware of it and still he has given the timelines very recently. If HAL chairman is not revising the timelines despite knowledge of new assembly line, why the respected members here like to make news out of it related to timelin...

hemant_sai

We never had great expectations from RM. He is definitely not someone like Parrikar and Ashwin V. who showed proactive participation in decision making and will to find solutions. But still good part is that we are on upward path and he deserves some praise for it. https://www.ddpmod.gov.in/whos-who...

hemant_sai

Now that we have more official dates on 01st flight of LCA-Mk2 as 2026-27 and min. 3 years for flight testing and certification (optimistic), one would assume negotiations to start in 2031? which will obviously further delay the start of production activity and expected 01st delivery of Tejas-Mk2. B...

hemant_sai

I had same opinion about kadi ninda but then who is most promising minister to replace him? Ashwin Vaishnavi? He seems to be better choice. RS ji could serve the nation where his strength lies. May be jagaruk citizens need to express themselves directly to RS ji and request him to handover the respo...

hemant_sai

:) if we will be ready to pay or get exploited for MLU , it will indicate failure of our desi platforms. Remember we expect Tejas Mk2 to almost match Rafale capabilities and Tedbf to exceed it. MLU is at least 12-15 years away. If there are alternatives for us and competition for French maal, you wi...

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@mody,

If we expect order for another batch of rafale in this year, why it can't be for F3R(I)?
Every billions of $$$ saved are useful for our indigenous programs. Then why to order F4 version. Let it be part of MLU.

hemant_sai

It is an eye opener.

I wish we get Mao sir back to be part of the mission to deliver TEDBF.

It is not only about platforms that we need but we do need right people and plenty of them.

hemant_sai

I would have believed this theory if India is in place of China. Yes this is sarcasm on us.

hemant_sai

sorry correction, 2027-2034 could be the period with parallel deliveries for 340 planes of Tejas Mk2/120, AMCA Mk1/100, ORCA/80 and Rafale (40). 40 Rafale from 2027-2029 and 80 ORCA from 2030-2034. If there will be need to skip any candidate, of course 40 Rafale can be put as optional for sure :) I ...

hemant_sai

I am of the opinion that these are not actually sales from Cheenees. They are deploying their assets around India in the guise of military deal. 20-25 J10s are no big deal for Cheenees and hardly any good assurance for Pakis to go for such small numbers. There will be more coming for sure and we are...

hemant_sai

Same for Tejas Mk2 - if at all we are ready for production by 2027, Rather than keeping Mk1A as reason for the delaying production, Mk1A production can be limited to 1 line even if it only means just 4/6 per year. And better start with Mk2 production with target of 120 units in 8 yrs (2027-34). Teja...

hemant_sai

As long as it fits in IAF's requirements, evaluations and budget, why to worry? And if it helps to shake Dassault to be more lenient in pricing, even better :) I would be more curious to find the ways where we can get KAI JV in India as one of the supply chain vendor and consultant, if it could expe...

hemant_sai

Just to discuss possibilities of retiring Mig 21 by end of 2023 - in 24 months. Obviously we have to look for planes already in-service with other countries. No time to wait for production. Skipping possibilities with Mirage/Mig29 as those are already discussed. F16 C/D - in-service with US and Isra...

hemant_sai

Valid concerns @pratyush ji. But it is equally certain that we are not looking beyond 35 sqdns by 2035 and even if I try to be more optimistic, by 2045 that goal won't be more than 45 sqdns i.e. 900 combat aircrafts max. We may certainly add combat drone force of 300/500 - so it might well reach to ...

hemant_sai

Coming back to main question - why MRFA circus at all? IAF is certain that it needs more Rafale and CDS has already gave its approval but with practical message to have those in staggered manner. So it is clear that there is no hurdle to get another 36-40 Rafale as G-2-G deal. Then why still this MR...

hemant_sai

@Pratyush ji - we don't need to get into panic mode. Let's think on practical feasible options and lets not get carried away too much. If offensive capability is limited - it is obvious that forces will plan on more robust defensive approach. Nobody is saying we won't be even able to defend ourselve...

hemant_sai

Defense production is big puzzle. Assuming we don't want to export at all or no export orders, Balancing faster bulk production and idle time later is not easy? And then it is India where getting new order itself is not easy. Any news on K9-Vajra? What that production unit is doing nowadays? I have ...

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