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by A_Gupta
20 Apr 2018 00:42
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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shiv wrote:Arun you were on full afterburner on Twitter..

:)
As long as I made sense :)
by A_Gupta
19 Apr 2018 18:19
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4497
Views: 233376

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https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/06/18/059568.full.pdf The genetics of an early Neolithic pastoralist from the Zagros,Iran. Another "Indus periphery individual"? Fig. 1. GD13a appears to be related to Caucasus Hunter Gatherers and to modern South Asian populations. A) PCA...
by A_Gupta
19 Apr 2018 07:52
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 233376

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Let's continue with this: An allele is a viable DNA coding that occupies a given locus (position) on a chromosome. Remember that chromosomes are paired. An organism in which the two copies of the gene are identical — that is, have the same allele — is called homozygous for that gene. An organism whi...
by A_Gupta
19 Apr 2018 07:38
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 233376

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Let's start with this: https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/genomicresearch/snp What are single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs)? Single nucleotide polymorphisms, frequently called SNPs (pronounced “snips”), are the most common type of genetic variation among people. Each SNP represents a difference in a s...
by A_Gupta
18 Apr 2018 22:45
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 233376

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https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Vallath_Balakrishnan/publication/15963819_Lactose_intolerance_in_North_and_South_Indians/links/5458736e0cf26d5090ab6368/Lactose-intolerance-in-North-and-South-Indians.pdf Lactose intolerance in North and South Indians Rakesh K. Tandon,3 Y K. Joshi,4 D. S. Singh,5...
by A_Gupta
18 Apr 2018 22:43
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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^^^ https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/29/1/249/1749245 Yet, despite being host to over 1 billion people and having a well-documented history of consumption of dairy products (Simoons 1970b), little is known about the distribution of lactase persistence beyond a flurry of studies conducted in the ...
by A_Gupta
18 Apr 2018 21:50
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4497
Views: 233376

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Peter, there are now five different variants -as of 2017 - involved in lactase persistence. The European/Steppe variant is not sufficient to explain the lactase persistence in India described in the medical literature. Of course the medical literature which says that 40% of Indians are lactase persi...
by A_Gupta
18 Apr 2018 17:33
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4497
Views: 233376

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5702378/ World-wide distributions of lactase persistence alleles and the complex effects of recombination and selection Anke Liebert,1,3 Saioa López,1 Bryony Leigh Jones,1 Nicolas Montalva,1,2,4 Pascale Gerbault,1,5 Winston Lau,1 Mark G. Thomas,1 Neil Bra...
by A_Gupta
18 Apr 2018 16:22
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 233376

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What does that tweet mean? That they had the allele to process lactose, or they did not? PS: there is archaeological evidence of milk usage in other parts of the world prior to Steppes people arriving there. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature07180 Full text available here: https://s3.amazonaws.c...
by A_Gupta
17 Apr 2018 17:41
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 233376

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Rudradev, can you interpret this for us (the whole paper)? Excerpt below. https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/29/1/249/1749245 Herders of Indian and European Cattle Share Their Predominant Allele for Lactase Persistence On the basis of previously collected lactase persistence phenotype data (Desai ...
by A_Gupta
17 Apr 2018 17:12
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 233376

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The cattle connection has been noted before: http://hinducause.org/2017/08/30/forgotten_desi-cattle-baluchistan-iran/ August 2017 n subsequent blogs, we shall dwell more on how these cattle could offer vital rejoinders to the Aryan Migration Theory. Western and Northwestern India first faced land in...
by A_Gupta
17 Apr 2018 03:45
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 233376

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You will find that the Syrian site of Dja’de el-Mughara is taken to be the oldest site with evidence of cattle domestication. You will see the claim that Helmer et. al. 2005 (Helmer, D., Gourichon, L., Monchot, H., Peters, J. and Sa˜na S´egui, M.: Identifying early domestic cattle from Pre-Pottery N...
by A_Gupta
16 Apr 2018 20:59
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 233376

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For reading, found while looking for Stone Age depictions of Bos Taurus (Taurus or Indicus) in India. E.g., stone age depiction of aurochs in Europe shows the characateristic flat backs. "Prehistoric Rock Art of India" https://www.harappa.com/blog/prehistoric-rock-paintings-and-ancient-ind...
by A_Gupta
16 Apr 2018 20:13
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 233376

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Details on Mehrgarh Paper presented in the International Seminar on the "First Farmers in Global Perspective', Lucknow, India, 18-20 January, 2006 Mehrgarh Neolithic Jean-Francois Jarrige http://archaeology.up.nic.in/doc/mn_jfj.pdf Osteological studies as well as clay figurines indicate that ze...
by A_Gupta
16 Apr 2018 19:55
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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We need to chase down references to their origin. B**tards. E.g., I start with https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17127-1 Towards the beginning of the Holocene, B. taurus and B. indicus were independently domesticated in the Fertile Crescent (~10,500 yBP) and in the Indus Valley (~8,500 yBP)...
by A_Gupta
16 Apr 2018 18:55
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 233376

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The 85 MB description of Shahr-i-Sokhta submitted to the UN for declaration of it as a World Heritage Site: http://whc.unesco.org/uploads/nominations/1456.pdf The link is available via here: http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1456/documents/ The archaeological site of Shahr-i Sokhta (the ‘Burnt City’) is...
by A_Gupta
16 Apr 2018 18:31
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 233376

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peter wrote:
A_Gupta wrote:It will be supremely fitting if Gau Maata saves our history!

Indeed. Though the milk digesting gene is in humans. Sorry if that was clear. This topic is a bit arcane for me.


Wasn't replying to that in particular; but will find out what is known about the origin of adult lactose tolerance.
by A_Gupta
16 Apr 2018 18:30
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 233376

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https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/129a/439ba68ed477ef6616fb55e36f7c62336abb.pdf Estimation of Genetic Divergence of Indian Zebu Cattle in Association with Molecular Genetic Approach and its Implication in Livestock Improvement: A Review Sanjoy Datta1*, Nirmal Kumar Tudu2, Chittapriya Ghosh3 and Shyam...
by A_Gupta
16 Apr 2018 18:16
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4497
Views: 233376

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(PDF)
http://www.arccjournals.com/uploads/articles/1B3239.pdf
Y-chromosome variation in Indian native cattle breeds and crossbred population
by A_Gupta
16 Apr 2018 18:05
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4497
Views: 233376

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https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23802359.2018.1437836?scroll=top&needAccess=true The complete mitochondrial genome of Indian cattle (Bos indicus) Abstract: India has 40 distinct zebuine cattle breeds with different adaptability and production traits. In the present study, we report ...
by A_Gupta
16 Apr 2018 17:59
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 233376

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It will be supremely fitting if Gau Maata saves our history!
by A_Gupta
14 Apr 2018 16:35
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4497
Views: 233376

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Worldwide Patterns of Ancestry, Divergence, and Admixture in Domesticated Cattle http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1004254 Bos taurus taurus was domesticated in the Middle East while Bos taurus indicus was domesticated in India. It is likely is that a hypothetical...
by A_Gupta
14 Apr 2018 08:01
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 233376

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Also from 2017 The genetic legacy of Zoroastrianism in Iran and India: Insights into population structure, gene flow and selection. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/05/128272 Abstract Zoroastrianism is one of the oldest extant religions in the world, originating in Persia (present-day I...
by A_Gupta
14 Apr 2018 03:18
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 233376

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https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/07/17/164640 2017 paper Dissecting Population Substructure in India via Correlation Optimization of Genetics and Geodemographics Abstract India represents an intricate tapestry of population substructure shaped by geography, language, culture and social str...
by A_Gupta
14 Apr 2018 03:17
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 233376

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FYI:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/08/278374
Ancient Genomics Reveals Four Prehistoric Migration Waves into Southeast Asia
by A_Gupta
12 Apr 2018 19:43
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Old http://arunsmusings.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-pie-metaphor.html But the idea of PIE itself still remains mostly a metaphoric prop. It is more a way to try to make sense of something that so far remains firmly in the 'unknowable' column (although it sees plenty of action in the 'theorizable' colum...
by A_Gupta
11 Apr 2018 22:59
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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^^^ Basic anatomy, human relationships are supposedly very basic and one will have words in the native language; while technology like "agriculture" or "cellular phones" will give rise to loan words. On the other hand, maybe Indians will morph into all saying "Daddy" in...
by A_Gupta
11 Apr 2018 04:28
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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What to make of this comment on biorxiv? The idea is that the Steppe component of Indian samples can be attributed to the Iranian Neolithic. http://disq.us/p/1rj4yuo Maju • 5 days ago I'm sorry but, while the amount of data revealed here is very impressive, the conclusions re. steppe influence do no...
by A_Gupta
11 Apr 2018 04:21
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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The traditionally priestly castes per Narasimhan et. al. Pandit Brahmin_Haryana Brahmin_Nepal Bhumihar_Bihar Brahmin_Tiwari Brahmin_UP Bhumihar_UP Havik Brahmin_Karnataka Brahmin_Bhatt Brahmin_Vaidik Brahmin_Catholic_Goa Brahmin_Catholic_Mangalore Brahmin_Catholic Brahmin_Catholic_Kumta Gaud_Karnata...
by A_Gupta
10 Apr 2018 22:57
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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I had done the first course of this 8-course Coursera series over an year ago, but then decided not to continue, largely because I was short of time.
https://www.coursera.org/specialization ... ta-science
Wondering if I should pick up this series or some other?
by A_Gupta
10 Apr 2018 20:57
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Q: since the "Indus_Periphery" have no Steppe ancestry, but are made of Iran_N + AASI; but Steppe_EMBA itself is Iran_Chacolithic + European_Hunter_Gatherer (EHG), is the basic statement that "Indus_Periphery" has no EHG component?) Also notice some counter-intuitive things - Ind...
by A_Gupta
10 Apr 2018 20:28
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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"This is not going to change. All the evidence is pointing clearly to the arrival of steppe ancestry in India to between 1500-2000BCE. Even if we do find aDNA in the Indus Valley, or indeed in the Deep South, as we state in the paper it is either Iran_N + AASI , or AASI" I'm dubious that ...
by A_Gupta
10 Apr 2018 18:37
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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^^^ Also, AFAIK, Rg Veda 10:18:8 enters into discussions of Sati. 8. Rise, come unto the world of life, O woman: come, he is lifeless by whose side thou liest. Wifehood with this thy husband was thy portion, who took thy hand and wooed thee as a lover. e.g., http://koenraadelst.blogspot.com/2013/03/...
by A_Gupta
10 Apr 2018 17:44
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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If languages do correlate with genes, and we believe in the antiquity of Sanskrit, then the solution has to be that it was the language of peoples on the AASI-Iran Chalcolithic cline, and entered the Steppe by the Chalcolithic Iranian ancestry of Steppe_EMBA.
by A_Gupta
10 Apr 2018 07:53
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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^^^From the recent preprint, e.g, caption of table S4.1 "We highlight in green passing p-values (using a threshold of p>0.01)." :) Anyway, it is a key table in what Rudradev told us. https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eXOMhHKfHOc/Wswgy1CruhI/AAAAAAAAGjI/y6ffo0aXW7IuAGZN_R4doJGONrU6CWrSACLcBGAs/s16...
by A_Gupta
10 Apr 2018 03:41
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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^^^
Is there any reason to prefer the left or right mixtures over the middle mixture? I suppose the smaller p-value is less likely?

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by A_Gupta
10 Apr 2018 03:40
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 233376

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From the supplemental material in Lazarides 2016 https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2016/06/16/059311.DC1/059311-1.pdf We next tried all possible Choice(20, 2)= 190 pairs of the 20 West Eurasian populations of Table S9.1, thus Left=(South Asian, West Eurasian1, West Eurasian2, Onge, Han)....
by A_Gupta
10 Apr 2018 02:55
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Is it surprising that their model got match hits with even 140 out of 246 Indian population samples? Not at all. See, their model was Steppe_MLBA + Iran_N + AASI. Steppe MLBA= 74% Steppe_EMBA and other things. Steppe_EMBA = Iranian Chalcolithic and European Hunter-Gatherer. Iranian Chalcolithic pre...

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