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by A_Gupta
27 Apr 2018 02:14
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Some ancient climate info in here: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0959683616650267 Record of vegetation, climate change, human impact and retting of hemp in Garhwal Himalaya (India) during the past 4600 years Show all authors Dieter Demske, Pavel E Tarasov, Christian Leipe, ... First Pu...
by A_Gupta
26 Apr 2018 23:57
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

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https://www.sindhulogy.org/cdn/articles/harappan-civilization-current-perspective-and-its-contribution-vasant-shinde/ ...this civilization covering an area of 2.5 million sq. km nearly four times the size of its contemporary Mesopotamian and Egyptian Civilizations Mature Harappan: The northernmost s...
by A_Gupta
26 Apr 2018 23:39
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 240008

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^^^^ https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/31577797/The_origins_of_iron_working_in_India_new_evidence_from_the_Central_Ganga_Plain_and_the_Eastern_Vindhyas.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A&Expires=1524769393&Signature=1CftRe%2BHj5yDOg2M8Gp341sbKd8%3D&response-content-dis...
by A_Gupta
26 Apr 2018 19:38
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

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and on the other hand there is the "krishna ayas(?) == iron? bronze? I am looking for specific line quotes here mandala-sukta-mantra. Failing that I am going to mock and taunt the person who makes the claim and say "Nyahaha you are bluffing" - to cause "knives to be drawn out&qu...
by A_Gupta
26 Apr 2018 17:29
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

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New article. Please share and spread https://drive.google.com/open?id=1XZbqXAWPLvOdi0DaC20yruDGCvtv9T22kphXo3_J6iY also https://www.facebook.com/shivsas3/posts/1698247916928711 "The 4 Hoaxes that made Sanskrit "come" to India Good one, Shiv! My take: I'm painfully aware that science ...
by A_Gupta
25 Apr 2018 17:43
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 240008

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

No no... the isogg page is talking in terms of centiMorgans. I can go into more detail on what that unit means but for now, 1 centiMorgan is on average 1 million base pairs. 5th cousins are on average identical along 3.32 centiMorgans which is 0.0488% of their total autosomal genomes. By contrast a...
by A_Gupta
25 Apr 2018 01:27
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 240008

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https://isogg.org/wiki/Autosomal_DNA_statistics Fifth cousins share 0.0488% of their DNA. Assume a population sampling of people descended from a common ancestral population and all 5th cousins or further apart. If 100,000 SNPs are being used two individuals in the sample might have just 49 SNPs in ...
by A_Gupta
25 Apr 2018 01:09
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

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^^^ Thanks, Rudradev, I'm an engineer and theoretical physicist by education and so will try to get to the mathematics behind that. I appreciate your example. By your analogy, Indians with Steppe ancestry - mated in the last 4000 years - should show greater nearest neighborhood with other Steppes de...
by A_Gupta
24 Apr 2018 23:02
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

The Mallick paper does show something interesting though. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5161557/#R22 See extended data Figure 4B. Look at the node just to the left of "South Asia- Hazara" from which everything from "South Asia-Burusho" to "East Asia_Miao"...
by A_Gupta
24 Apr 2018 22:57
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

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What is the relationship between Onge and AASI? To say that Onge probably preserve a lot of the AASI genome is (by Vagheesh's standards) not a ridiculous extrapolation. They are an isolated population, like Darwin's finches, and have been for millennia presumably without any incoming gene flow. The...
by A_Gupta
24 Apr 2018 22:52
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

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Anybody read that open magazine article http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/science/the-genetic-history-of-indians-are-we-what-we-think-we-are The attack is relentless.seems IVC paper has been sabotaged.no proper DNA. And key people influenced..Or bought off A group of Indian archaeologists, led...
by A_Gupta
24 Apr 2018 21:06
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

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Might be a key doc: http://www.jstor.org/stable/23029087?seq=1 Obtained via https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01629778.2012.719305 which in Google Scholar tells us: "Mannhardt (1875, 1936) established correspondences across the spectrum of Indo-European pantheons, thereby linking the ...
by A_Gupta
24 Apr 2018 20:52
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neman The German name for the river is Memel. Lithuanians refer to the Nemunas as "the father of rivers" (Nemunas is a masculine noun in Lithuania). Countless companies and organizations in Lithuania have "Nemunas" in their name, including a folklore...
by A_Gupta
24 Apr 2018 20:38
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 240008

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^^^ Petras Tarasenko - Lithuanian Wiki Page - use Google translate to read.
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petras_Tarasenka
by A_Gupta
24 Apr 2018 17:19
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Arun let me tell you right away that you need to throw away this "hope" Unless someone starts coming up with migrations into and out of India around the start of the holocene period (10000 yrs ago) and for 3-4000 years after. That is what the text dates suggest. So, to throw away this &qu...
by A_Gupta
24 Apr 2018 09:10
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 240008

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Not that I was looking for an angle, but the level of interest is little odd. A different angle: Assume that Rakhigarhi results exist, and what is taking time is all the analysis that is going on. Now, read this: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=10211 Quoting a relevant portion: Keat...
by A_Gupta
24 Apr 2018 09:05
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

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^^^ Technical question: "ADMIXTURE results, with the colors of teal, orange, green and yellow representing ancestry maximized in Iranian agriculturalists from the Zagros, agriculturalists from Anatolia, HGs from Neolithic west Siberia, and HGs from South Asia, respectively." -- what is the...
by A_Gupta
24 Apr 2018 08:26
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 240008

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^^^ Thanks, Shiv! I think I suffered from an optical illusion earlier today I thought the Onge and Mala bars were of equal length and entirely yellow.
by A_Gupta
24 Apr 2018 00:41
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

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Comment on my blog: " tim drake said... "It is likely is that a hypothetical Punjab_N population from even before agriculture would have been related to the Iran_N people, somewhere along a cline between Iran_N in Iran (whose aDNA has been found) and peoples in India's interior" -- Al...
by A_Gupta
21 Apr 2018 08:23
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

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1. Language tree is more like a banyan tree than a pipal tree?

2. Roundtripping has happened. That is, a geography that had an I.E. language has had incursions of other I.E. languages. This has happened time and again.

Twitter is bad for the writing habit.
by A_Gupta
21 Apr 2018 07:02
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

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In the loooong running tweet chain with Vagheesh, Shiv and others, I saw a comment of interest. It asked "How are all Indian groups a combo of Steppe, Iran etc DNA?". Basically, if India was already heavily populated, how do you explain a handful of Nomadic pastoralists to pass their gene...
by A_Gupta
21 Apr 2018 06:55
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

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Arun, Vagheesh has asked for everyone on Twitter to join hands and send him a document explaining how languages are related from Delhi to Dublin. This is a tall order on many counts, especially considering that we were discussing a genetics paper until he made linguistics conclusions and some of us...
by A_Gupta
20 Apr 2018 00:42
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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shiv wrote:Arun you were on full afterburner on Twitter..

:)
As long as I made sense :)
by A_Gupta
19 Apr 2018 18:19
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

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https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/06/18/059568.full.pdf The genetics of an early Neolithic pastoralist from the Zagros,Iran. Another "Indus periphery individual"? Fig. 1. GD13a appears to be related to Caucasus Hunter Gatherers and to modern South Asian populations. A) PCA...
by A_Gupta
19 Apr 2018 07:52
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Let's continue with this: An allele is a viable DNA coding that occupies a given locus (position) on a chromosome. Remember that chromosomes are paired. An organism in which the two copies of the gene are identical — that is, have the same allele — is called homozygous for that gene. An organism whi...
by A_Gupta
19 Apr 2018 07:38
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

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Let's start with this: https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/genomicresearch/snp What are single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs)? Single nucleotide polymorphisms, frequently called SNPs (pronounced “snips”), are the most common type of genetic variation among people. Each SNP represents a difference in a s...
by A_Gupta
18 Apr 2018 22:45
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 240008

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https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Vallath_Balakrishnan/publication/15963819_Lactose_intolerance_in_North_and_South_Indians/links/5458736e0cf26d5090ab6368/Lactose-intolerance-in-North-and-South-Indians.pdf Lactose intolerance in North and South Indians Rakesh K. Tandon,3 Y K. Joshi,4 D. S. Singh,5...
by A_Gupta
18 Apr 2018 22:43
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 240008

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^^^ https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/29/1/249/1749245 Yet, despite being host to over 1 billion people and having a well-documented history of consumption of dairy products (Simoons 1970b), little is known about the distribution of lactase persistence beyond a flurry of studies conducted in the ...
by A_Gupta
18 Apr 2018 21:50
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

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Peter, there are now five different variants -as of 2017 - involved in lactase persistence. The European/Steppe variant is not sufficient to explain the lactase persistence in India described in the medical literature. Of course the medical literature which says that 40% of Indians are lactase persi...
by A_Gupta
18 Apr 2018 17:33
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 4585
Views: 240008

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5702378/ World-wide distributions of lactase persistence alleles and the complex effects of recombination and selection Anke Liebert,1,3 Saioa López,1 Bryony Leigh Jones,1 Nicolas Montalva,1,2,4 Pascale Gerbault,1,5 Winston Lau,1 Mark G. Thomas,1 Neil Bra...
by A_Gupta
18 Apr 2018 16:22
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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What does that tweet mean? That they had the allele to process lactose, or they did not? PS: there is archaeological evidence of milk usage in other parts of the world prior to Steppes people arriving there. https://www.nature.com/articles/nature07180 Full text available here: https://s3.amazonaws.c...
by A_Gupta
17 Apr 2018 17:41
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Rudradev, can you interpret this for us (the whole paper)? Excerpt below. https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/29/1/249/1749245 Herders of Indian and European Cattle Share Their Predominant Allele for Lactase Persistence On the basis of previously collected lactase persistence phenotype data (Desai ...
by A_Gupta
17 Apr 2018 17:12
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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The cattle connection has been noted before: http://hinducause.org/2017/08/30/forgotten_desi-cattle-baluchistan-iran/ August 2017 n subsequent blogs, we shall dwell more on how these cattle could offer vital rejoinders to the Aryan Migration Theory. Western and Northwestern India first faced land in...
by A_Gupta
17 Apr 2018 03:45
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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You will find that the Syrian site of Dja’de el-Mughara is taken to be the oldest site with evidence of cattle domestication. You will see the claim that Helmer et. al. 2005 (Helmer, D., Gourichon, L., Monchot, H., Peters, J. and Sa˜na S´egui, M.: Identifying early domestic cattle from Pre-Pottery N...
by A_Gupta
16 Apr 2018 20:59
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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For reading, found while looking for Stone Age depictions of Bos Taurus (Taurus or Indicus) in India. E.g., stone age depiction of aurochs in Europe shows the characateristic flat backs. "Prehistoric Rock Art of India" https://www.harappa.com/blog/prehistoric-rock-paintings-and-ancient-ind...
by A_Gupta
16 Apr 2018 20:13
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Details on Mehrgarh Paper presented in the International Seminar on the "First Farmers in Global Perspective', Lucknow, India, 18-20 January, 2006 Mehrgarh Neolithic Jean-Francois Jarrige http://archaeology.up.nic.in/doc/mn_jfj.pdf Osteological studies as well as clay figurines indicate that ze...
by A_Gupta
16 Apr 2018 19:55
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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We need to chase down references to their origin. B**tards. E.g., I start with https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17127-1 Towards the beginning of the Holocene, B. taurus and B. indicus were independently domesticated in the Fertile Crescent (~10,500 yBP) and in the Indus Valley (~8,500 yBP)...

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