Bharat Rakshak

Davidrock

RaviB wrote:A new video of a confrontation. Indian soldiers seem to have built a fixed a long defensive stone wall like structure.

https://t.me/ischinar/786

This is a very old video

Davidrock

To me, the most damning map is the one below. These are from Nathan Ruser's tweets. He claims that there are over 250 structures and most were built since May! If so, this is a Kargil-level intel failure. Apparently, we have not been patrolling upto our LAC claim line for some years now. But that b...

Davidrock

Is the news about Depsang true ?!

This is real bad news. Prob it’s time to escalate now. We should not let them build there.

Davidrock

khan wrote:I think GOI should play the long game. First take out Pakistan, build infrastructure, then go **** the Chinese. 2-3 years, it can happen before this election.

We can never completely decimate Pakistan. We have to manoeuvre politically by using US, to keep them out of action while we fight China.

Davidrock

Please stop being keyboard warriors . Those suggesting changing QPQ at other sites seem to ignore China can do same and so can China and Pakistan BOTH . This is not a marvel movie and There are no avengers . First element of mounting attack is acheiving surprise . Sitting eye ball to eye ball we do...

Davidrock

Finger 4-8 was effectively gone during Kargil when the Chinese built that road. That’s the hard reality. The reason Indian troops couldn’t fight back was because the Chinese had a road from which they could truck in soldiers by the 100’s, while Indian troops had to walk past that narrow cliff path....

Davidrock

khan wrote:Finger 4-8 was effectively gone during Kargil when the Chinese built that road.

we patrolled till Apr 2020. Now we can’t, this is a loss.

Davidrock

Even Lt Gen Atta Hasnain had agreed that if they don’t withdraw before winter then we may have to take action

Davidrock

Very disappointed with PMs speech.

We have happily conceded the land that our men died fighting in 1962 between finger 4-8.

If no fight, atleast we should have grabbed similar grey zone somewhere else in LAC.

Clear failure of both military and govt. this will haunt us

Davidrock

williams wrote:I am just sick of this argument that we let them not lose face. What about us losing face? We are ok with that. I just hope people in the MEA and DM does not think that way. We have been losing face for a long time now. Our boys are beaten to death. Is that not losing face?

Exactly

Davidrock

The chicoms have made us play their game, amass in numbers and so possible to overpower and capture where there is a brawl.

When time comes, and we escalate, it will prove costly for them. In a firefight, they will lose many many more than us.

Davidrock

If the map is showing finger 8 is beyond Sirjap, then we are either in control of Sirjap or have surrounded it. I support the scenario/explanation as presented by fanne ji. -------------------------- So the Chines FM was correct in saying that "ghar mein ghus ke mare" and asking EAM to te...

Davidrock

Well, as history unfolds, most of us here do not know the exact picture of what happened. However I am certain that the land slide thing, never happened. 100 of our troops cannot be injured without putting a brutal fight, the nature of which we dont know yet. The land slide thing is just offered as...

Davidrock

Regarding the shots not being fired, I guess we are too slow. When I failed my SSB, I realized one of the reasons was that I was not swift in my retaliation. I convinced myself all these years that, its good I was not selected, because better men are protecting the nation. I still believe so. But, I...

Davidrock

Well, as history unfolds, most of us here do not know the exact picture of what happened. However I am certain that the land slide thing, never happened. 100 of our troops cannot be injured without putting a brutal fight, the nature of which we dont know yet. The land slide thing is just offered as ...

Davidrock

As much as I hate to say, looks like all fears have come true.

https://twitter.com/nrg8000/status/1273 ... 03936?s=21

Satellite images show they have constructed 250+ structures after finger 4

Why are we not fighting

Davidrock

Lets not talk about unrelated topics of trade etc etc now. They have done a violent action, we need to respond with violence. Period

If we do not do now, our deterrence value goes down till the next conflict which wont be too far.

If we do, there will be a long gap till we have the next conflict.

Davidrock

Yes, act at a time and place of our choosing.
However, we need not wait. 3500 km long LAC I bet has areas where we have advantage.

Davidrock

Satellite pics of chinese buildup, though in their area. https://twitter.com/dansiddiqui/status/1273125886917783552/photo/1 https://twitter.com/dansiddiqui/status/1273125886917783552/photo/2 Corresponding location in google maps https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+Gallowan+River/@34.7528845,78.232...

Davidrock

I too dont believe that our troops could have been captured. But it is hard to believe that even after 1.5 months, we were not carrying alternate weapons. what happened to the khukri etc, we should have chopped some heads of those MFs In the may 5-6 clash, 70 trooops were injured, we only had video ...

Davidrock

From the google maps, Galwan river vally for us is like the Neelam vally for pakistan. We have a narrow sliver of land to be protected on the east of the river which is 2-4km from dotted line that I can see in google maps from outside India. With a river behind you, extremely hard to fight. There i...

Davidrock

This could be the possible site

https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+G ... 78.1701053

Davidrock

From the google maps, Galwan river vally for us is like the Neelam vally for pakistan. We have a narrow sliver of land to be protected on the east of the river which is 2-4km from dotted line that I can see in google maps from outside India. With a river behind you, extremely hard to fight. There is...

Davidrock

Though it is difficult to read anything Chinese, Galwan could also be a bargaining chip for Finger-4. Galwan is not in the list of 29 'contested areas' along the LAC. Indian Army's oversight was therefore thin. DSDBO is not something new, has been in the works for several years and completed 10 mon...

Davidrock

DavidRock sir if you believe Abhijit Iyer is a good strategic analyst then you should also accept me as India's second astronaut. Looks like the 40-60 Sq.km area is that between Finger 4 and Finger 8, I believe our side wants to take what was lost during Kargil war and the Chinese are resisting it ...

Davidrock

No one, as far as I can tell, is confused. Finger 5-8 is disputed. India has been patrolling Finger 5-8 for years. Why this question? Are the Chinese preventing IA from patrolling today? I was referring to OSINT sources like Abhijit Iyer, who claims that finger 4 is where LAC is crossing and chines...

Davidrock

At the moment we have one big question. Do we have the ability to patrol finger 5-8, in the month old crisis ?? If not, then it has to be responded. The border is more than 3000k, we can surely ingress somewhere beyond our claim line and then negotiate from position of strength. We should respond at...

Davidrock

If anyone has any doubt that finger 5-8 is outside of LAC and not disputed, see this news from 2019. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/indian-chinese-soldiers-get-into-scuffle-in-ladakh/articleshow/71091348.cms?from=mdr ----- snippet of related text ---- The disputed "Finger-5 t...

Davidrock

Wasn’t aware of that. If that is the case & the status quo cannot be reestablished diplomatically, then an escalation is in order. Nope, I'd suggest to see for yourself on Google earth. All the images are recent (2020 vintage), and note the contrast between how the road surface appears on our s...

Davidrock

The Chinese resurfaced the road you mention during the Kargil episode. India should have destroyed it then. Today it is The Norm. It may be too late for that. Today, whatever the Chinese have built, since last summer, needs to be destroyed. Else that will be the new norm. China has - as usual - pre...

Davidrock

1. Col Dinny : Area between finger 4-8 is grey area. IA Patrols were conducted till fingre 8, even though the chinese had constructed road till finger I haven't seen this interview yet, but does he give a timeline of when this was? Does he mention till what point did the Chinese patrol? Yes, Col Din...

Davidrock

With the information available till date in the public domain, 4 June 2020, I am collating it. 1. Col Dinny : Area between finger 4-8 is grey area. IA Patrols were conducted till fingre 8, even though the chinese had constructed road till finger 4. 2. Col Dinny : Our road is till the ITBP base betwe...

Davidrock

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2020/06/ ... n-can.html

Off late, news from Ajai Shukla is really worrying. And silence from Govt is even hurting more.

Davidrock

And when skirmish breaks out, we need to engage IAF immediately. We can wait for them to fire the first shot, but surely cannot afford them to start the first air strike. We are nuclear power, lets do some nuclear noise, they know full scale war is no affordable to them. Their main enemy is US, who...

Davidrock

And when skirmish breaks out, we need to engage IAF immediately. We can wait for them to fire the first shot, but surely cannot afford them to start the first air strike. We are nuclear power, lets do some nuclear noise, they know full scale war is no affordable to them. Their main enemy is US, who ...

Davidrock

Do not bet on the Manpower angle too much as those Chinese soldiers who have been retired early will be treated as reserves and can and will be drafted/deployed on the border by the Chinese. Also unlike us where we have to take Pakistan into our calculations china does not face any challenge from o...

Davidrock

In my opinion, we no need to fear. If they have ingressed in Pangong Tso, apart from pushing them, we need to ingress in multiple other locations. They have been cutting man power, we have not and can afford more men. We need to work on our strengths. No matter what technology they have, they cant m...

Davidrock

Is this real? It is claimed to be the f-16 shot down. If the footage a true, then it is a F-16 for sure https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTmFjbuAo9g&feature=youtu.be This is interesting. The video is so clear, could be possible video from any old F-16 crash or shotdowns. But most interesting poi...

Davidrock

Something interesting in twitter, Congress claiming that they performed a cross LoC strike on 6 Jan 2013. This is two days before beheading incident of Hemraj on 8 Jan. The indian raid is also claimed by pakistan. https://www.dawn.com/news/776811 One interesting observation is I thought India always...

Davidrock

This is awesome news. IAF putting it in front of the world with evidence.

While DGISPR may have had the lead in initial perception battle, IAF is definitely far ahead as truth comes out.

Sathyamev Jayatay. Jai hind.

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