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Locking unless there is new news

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I think that there is a lot of conjecture here without either of the participants coming up with more details. Make of that what you will.

Time to lock this thread?

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It seems even the video released by PAF is fake... They achieved their domestic perception face saver. So we can split hairs but it doesnt matter. The thing is IAF did not respond to the AMRAAM shots... (as far as we know) and therein lies the beef between the two forces. The fued is not over. And ...

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Not sure. Looked like a deliberate miss to me, the weapon was being pointed away from the facility from the beginning of the video and the video only turned off close to impact, indicating no hasty redirection. No big deal though, we know Pakis have stand off weapons and we will take a few hits if ...

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Another thing not clear is if either side fired SAMs at Nowshera?

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We will have to see, by given their deliberate description with the name Shahazudin etc, and in the initial days F-16D was mentioned. I dont it is 84606. We will have to wait for more info on this. Tom Cooper's wrote on Day 1 on ACIG that his Pak sources said it was a F16BM that came down. Seems li...

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Does anyone have timelines of

1. SoW launch from Mirages
2. Amraam launch at Sukhois from F16s?
3. Time of scramble of Mig21s (2 /4 / 7?)

We do know that time of shoot down of F16 and Bison was 1022 hrs

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Are fighter R/T comms conducted in the clear ? I thought they are encrypted. I can somewhat understand commercial aviation airband traffic being in the clear, but I'm surprised that AF comms are also in clear that Pakis can decode it. Its psyops... Message being that "We can decrypt your comms...

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https://theprint.in/defence/indian-army-commanders-left-brigade-hq-minutes-before-paf-bomb-fell-in-compound-27-feb/241324/ Indian Army commanders left Brigade HQ ‘minutes before’ PAF bomb fell in compound 27 Feb Pakistan has claimed bomb was dropped near Brigade HQ in Rajouri to show its capability....

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Punjabi speakers (hold your puke at the bigoted introduction) and confirm what this guy says at 2 min onwards.

Video uploaded 27 Feb

Says 2 pilots..

1st one landed 15 min after his plane fell.. and Pak Army got to him immediately

2nd one was one with mooch (Abhi)

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Time to lock thread ?

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Isn't that "Hassan Siddiqui" recording is fake / psyops?

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Shahbaz is supposedly in the US in Alabama (AFB Maxwell, Montgomery) doing some course (as per Pak source on AFM forum who even posted a photo before deleting it). FWIW.

Sameer Joshi is supposed to be writing a follow up article on Medium apparently.

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Karan M wrote:Even Sameer Joshi indicates its this gent.

Not anymore. Now his guess is that it is S/L Hasan Siddique, who, unlike "Nouman", has not been seen since Feb 27 on media. Nouman has been seen with the Pak CAS and in their Pak day video.

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Ok Ramana-ji. I agree on the strike package pathfinder as well, as it was the Squadron CO that was shot down.... https://twitter.com/reachanshul/status/1105202086906494976 ---> Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman shot down an F-16 flown by Wing Commander Hyder Shahbaz Ali, the CO of PAF's 19th Squa...

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Denel H4 SoW debris south of Mirpur city near Jhelum (diff from the one reported in Bhimber) https://twitter.com/mubeen500/status/1100731744804896768?s=20 So all the mirage H4(Pakis used to call this as Raad) failed, it was the LGB's launched by F-16 strike package which came close to the Brigade H...

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Denel H4 SoW debris south of Mirpur city near Jhelum (diff from the one reported in Bhimber)

https://twitter.com/mubeen500/status/11 ... 96768?s=20

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Unlocked for now. A bit more info in ACM Tipnis article

https://issuu.com/spguide/docs/sp_s_aviation_4-2019

17km range

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Lock for now / until new info comes in

Onwards!

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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27620/russian-mig-31-foxhound-shot-down-its-wingman-during-disastrous-live-fire-exercise There were people recently asking why abhi's wingman did not fire his R-77. an interesting article claiming that 2 years ago a mig 31 got shot down by his wingman when he a...

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LalMo, see

https://twitter.com/AhmAdTipu7/status/1 ... 42880?s=20

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Repeating.. what type of explosion would

1. Shear off the tail portion
2. Pepper tail with shrapnel
3. And rest of fuse seems without shrapnel

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thanks rishi the image i saw had the tail still with the fuselage but flopped over onto the side, so sheared off on ground impact not in the air, and the whole fin not a portion as here the pic above suggests damage to control mechanisms and possibly rear sections of engine by missile, and looks li...

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Thanks Rishi. Markings and screws appear consistent with Bison tail. http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Galleries/Aircraft/Walkarounds/MiG21Bison/Bison12.jpg.html So Tail has been blown off. Other video had a stabilizer (port side) in some other location. So plane glided with only one stabilizer? IM...

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AIM120 has an 18.1kg high-explosive blast fragmentation warhead. (Different from the continuous rod warhead in R73)

However, would Fragmentation warhead cause shearing off of the tail portion from the fuse?

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Lalmohan wrote:members only?

Let me upload somewhere

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Brof UB, is this the one?

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UB, One thing I don't understand is how is Abhinandan with minor scratches after the AMRAAM hit the MiG-21 with a 40 lbs warhead? Is the MiG-21 structure so robust that it absorbed all shock from the explosion? Could the missile hit the MiG-21 after it flamed out and Abhi ejected? I asked this of T...

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UlanBatori wrote:^ Yensoy, pls see Karan's annotated map: the red start (F16 down) vs blue star (Mig down)
Karan M wrote:Rohit,

MiG-down is west of F-16 downing point. 7km west of LOC.

Its different from IAF map which shows opposite

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Abhi was pretty equidistant from all 3 F16s?

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Delta wings without stabilizers don't glide....

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Pakpasand journo Alan Warnes on twitter said he interviewed Pak CAS who officially puts in a claim of an MKI hit

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Wait which F16 did he shoot? The ones at 40k or the one at 15k? There is a 4 ship and a 2 ship F16 formation. Which one became the 3 ship formation we see in the radar grab?

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Do pentagon/LM officials go around like Bangalore RTO cops and check chassis numbers below the windscreen? What kind of a crap job it that?

Wait, then do they do the same for all Amreki eqpt with IAF as well?

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Unseen Feb27 upload from "Azad Kashmir" some kid. Can't make out much. Can anyone read the title slide caption in Urdu AJK mein PAF ne India ka shikar kaise kiya - asli video. Thank you. Could see 3 different contrails... Doenst mean anything though. I suspect this video is already seen?

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Unseen Feb27 upload from "Azad Kashmir" some kid.

Can't make out much. Can anyone read the title slide caption in Urdu

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could perhaps not be one person, but a "collective" tasked to say things that GOI does not want to put press releases on. GOI, had better ways to do this. They can leak information to some friendly reporter and they will report that “sources said...”. If you go back in time, sometimes bab...

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