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by Murugan
02 Mar 2019 10:59
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
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US-Pakistan F-16 Deal Is Dead: Islamabad Mulling Jordan F-16 Fighter Jets Instead https://thediplomat.com/2016/06/us-pakistan-f-16-deal-is-dead-islamabad-mulling-jordan-f-16-fighter-jets-instead/ See this thread : https://twitter.com/tukupanti/status/1101042631864274946 Look for other pointer http:...
by Murugan
08 Feb 2019 10:09
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Army strikes terror camps in PoK
Replies: 2258
Views: 263490

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An Ornithopter built by Jaydeep Bhowmik in 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poX2Hg9qae0
by Murugan
08 Feb 2019 09:56
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Army strikes terror camps in PoK
Replies: 2258
Views: 263490

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Ornithopter Drone V3 - 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6VLzKACnS8

It is not a fanciful drone.
by Murugan
18 Jun 2018 09:43
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

O the Supreme Lord of the world, in this country of ours, let the Brahmins rise as a community of brilliant men of divinity and illustrious scholars of universal knowledge. Let the Kshatriyas rise as a force of heroic warriors of the chariot and the routers of the enemy with unfailing arrows. May th...
by Murugan
15 Jun 2018 16:48
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

(100) Horse(power) Driven Chariot ki man ki :P (Baat)

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Too much for horse driven chariots' superiority
by Murugan
15 Jun 2018 16:23
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Chariots halted by AN elephant http://siamandbeyond.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/thai_elephant_attacks_car_khao_yai_national_park.png People with knowledge says that horses freak out at the site and smell of elephant Chariot of 300 horsepower thrown by an elephant https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8...
by Murugan
15 Jun 2018 10:37
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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The Davy Lamp Syndrome. :) Except few outstanding work in recent time (by likes of Shri Nilesh Oak) where totally new understanding has been revealed, the general Indian scholar work, especially the AIT related stuff is just like carrying Davy's Lamp. Reaction onlee to obnoxious gases emanating from...
by Murugan
13 Jun 2018 15:04
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

According to Rai, the evidence points to a predominantly indigenous culture that voluntarily spread across other areas, not displaced or overrun by an Aryan invasion. “The condition of the human skeletons, the burial...all show absence of palaeo-pathology symptoms which could indicate ailments due ...
by Murugan
13 Jun 2018 14:50
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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Prem Kumar wrote:....The only gripe I have with the ET article is that Shinde and Rai say that the Vedic era started after the Rakhigarhi period, which is bogus


Ths could well be the start of composition and indexing, not actual start of vedic era.
by Murugan
07 Jun 2018 11:50
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Witzelian Goras on Bullock Carts with Cheeta Tamer Hunter Gatherer SDRE Indians

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NevenDIp95A
by Murugan
07 Jun 2018 11:19
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

just for the record. Horses cannot beat Elephants except in speed, that too by not a good margin. Elephants can run @40 km/h while horses at @ 70km/h However, for witzelian satisfaction, if wishes were horses: The Indian sivalensis horse has survived as many modern breeds of horse, and the Arabic, t...
by Murugan
07 Jun 2018 11:00
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Alexander the Gay invaded India with horses and faced armies with elephant batteries. He, according to greek 'historians' won over the elephant riding army of Indians with his swift bachchaphallus horse. According to these historians, he, was, however, impressed with elephants ! He had 15 (earlier o...
by Murugan
07 Jun 2018 10:29
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Equus Sivalensis (The siwalik horse)'s remains were found deep in Tamilnadu too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equus_sivalensis

Does not find favour with Witz/Iravadan.
by Murugan
07 Jun 2018 10:25
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Cheetas are faster then horse. Biladi Indians have tamed cheetas too. http://cheetahs-rock.de/cheetah-indien.jpg https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQcKp1EpqkWOE6p9JePMsJSQEx192TjhQIQBBba7UsWeJcB9SLF4g https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-hunting-with-cheetah-in-india-the-asiatic-chee...
by Murugan
06 Jun 2018 12:56
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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Elephant, Horse and Chariot mentioned again in Shri Sukta (Rigved) here पुत्रपौत्र धनं धान्यं हस्त्यश्वादिगवे रथम् । प्रजानां भवसि माता आयुष्मन्तं करोतु माम् ॥१९॥ Putra-Pautra Dhanam Dhaanyam Hasty-Ashva-[A]adi-Gave Ratham | Prajaanaam Bhavasi Maataa Aayussmantam Karotu Maam ||19|| Meaning: 19.1: (H...
by Murugan
06 Jun 2018 12:42
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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Pre-satvahana Chariot, horses and Sarathi depicted on a coin (at least 2nd Century BCE) https://scontent-bom1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/34645095_1865729950160067_6955532272665624576_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=687d97b7185897e1bb6b599022308945&oe=5B806FC4 White Metal (?) 3.63g, Nasik Region, obv. a ...
by Murugan
06 Jun 2018 12:35
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

What the heck, even Chariot of Goddess Lakshmi pulled by Iravadan's horses need Hastinad हस्तिनादप्रबोधिनीम् to make her (and horses) presence felt.
by Murugan
06 Jun 2018 12:12
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

It is difficult to date Shri Sukta - Rigveda (anyone) where Horse, Chariot and Elephants are mentioned in single line: अश्वपूर्वां रथमध्यां हस्तिनादप्रबोधिनीम् । श्रियं देवीमुपह्वये श्रीर्मा देवी जुषताम् ॥३॥ Ashva-Puurvaam Ratha-Madhyaam Hastinaada-Prabodhiniim | Shriyam Deviim-Upahvaye Shriirmaa De...
by Murugan
06 Jun 2018 12:07
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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Horses look like BachchaPhalus in front of the elephants - Battle of Zama Engraving (Wiki) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Slaget_ved_Zama_-_Cornelis_Cort%2C_1567.jpg/1024px-Slaget_ved_Zama_-_Cornelis_Cort%2C_1567.jpg Science of training elephants is Indian, went elsewhere ...
by Murugan
06 Jun 2018 11:53
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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All the grand structures of India could be built with the help of elephants only. Most of the ancient/medieval wars of Asia were fought with elephants. Elephants which only Indians could (and can) tame. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/The_Elephant_Battery_in_Peshawar.JPG The Elep...
by Murugan
06 Jun 2018 11:35
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Historical Battles in Ancient & Medieval Bharat
Replies: 2406
Views: 276038

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Weapons / related artefacts from Sanauli Excavation 2000 BCE https://scontent-bom1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34416372_10155850677248401_1863651442913443840_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=61c44c836f8215e3d4f8e8197d7e6f1e&oe=5BB71F7A https://scontent-bom1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34511269_10155850677118401_6...
by Murugan
06 Jun 2018 11:22
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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Ancient India was full of forests, thickly forested plains and hills not suitable for horses. There were plains suitable for horses though but not much. One can refer to forest burning around Hastinapur (Delhi plains) in Mahabharat. The most suitable animal to negotiate thick forests is elephant. Th...
by Murugan
06 Jun 2018 11:07
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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by Murugan
06 Jun 2018 11:06
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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https://scontent-bom1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34459660_10155850678543401_7028772249725304832_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeFxB_pfasd1RMmsoH9osf3qBoxco1ocVE8bzmr_Uw5ODSwNhKIWgzUGnhN10UG9QjwTSkCb88jNCMUAxd3yx6QMDlTFgEVoQ-tPGRDQIQNJZQ&oh=b74645502134037a0edff2de7e2aa055&oe=5B7A4A49
by Murugan
06 Jun 2018 11:03
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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More pics of wheels/impressions https://scontent-bom1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34605345_10155850659308401_7347720322172321792_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeFFy5swJ7-gD5Jr_dqrVtb9b8N3-MS2KlnPnHprI5vPv-TWoMWaFfCtUhlFF5GNfL-h0WYYVED0cMsxgAQYEsMuVGrhraBkqrnfC1uAzBIRcw&oh=05f0d83e603861126df22edfd816...
by Murugan
06 Jun 2018 11:02
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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https://scontent-bom1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/34484444_10155850674443401_8613499733228388352_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeFGTJvI3VzwRwDFWJQSgWLXU6LL5sy9HzPMsAyJiJCbuamo1EIgkznU99v-EOLWEWq0oFIPwILt3-YHBXll5mxiFsq09B7yMsteZSmBrk4yRQ&oh=846c1d1a916432cc9143e3b84193defc&oe=5B76B018 "A co...
by Murugan
06 Jun 2018 10:58
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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Modern wheel's evolution suggests spoke wheels are being replaced with non-spoke one. These chariots finds, dated approx to 2000 BCE from a place away and east of mainstream Harappan sites is a big news. At sanauli this is also found, near the chariot or with chariot https://scontent-bom1-1.xx.fbcdn...
by Murugan
04 Jun 2018 12:52
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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Pre-Iron Bronze Age Chariots have been found in Baghpat https://www.news18.com/news/india/in-a-first-chariot-from-pre-iron-age-found-in-excavation-in-uttar-pradeshs-sanauli-1768085.html Baghpat: For the first time in the Indian sub-continent, the burial pits have been found with chariots that date b...
by Murugan
27 May 2018 11:20
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeLf5iuUwAABfE2.jpg Ashokan Rock edict 4, line 3 : dhamacharanena bherighoso aho dhammaghoso VIMANADarsana cha Hastidasana Cha Shobhna Gokhale author of Purabhilekhavidya (Marathi) translates Vimana here to spacecraft (avakashyana) Ashoka the great tells about restroing ...
by Murugan
12 May 2018 12:26
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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This is link to a video of Dr Sampadananda Mishra's Q&A session. He talks about a language before Sanskrit, little bit of 'philology' and the secrets of Sanskrit, the PIE Chefs will not be able to understand the secret recipe forever.

31,000 root words
by Murugan
05 May 2018 11:02
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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A glance at aryan invasion theory related news since June 2014: Sr News Article Publisher Date 1 Write Angle: To each his own" The Hindu 27-Feb-15 2 ICHR debate on Aryan invasion theory cut short The Hindu 27-Mar-15 3 'Yoga was a contribution of non-Vedic Dravidian tradition'" The Hindu 21...
by Murugan
05 May 2018 10:30
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

@Nilesh Oak

With regard to astronomy as a historical tool, I think only a historian of astronomy can comment on its reliability. Sanskritists — no matter how good their Sanskrit is — cannot determine it,” she said.


She is Romila Thapar, October 2, 2015, IE
by Murugan
04 May 2018 12:21
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Finding date stamp and language markers using genetics is like finding first 1000 litres of melted water released from Gomukh 100 metres away after some time. Forget about finding the same water later at Rishikesh or farther at Prayag (allahabd)
by Murugan
04 May 2018 12:13
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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Not easy to implant your languages and scripts even if you have tax paying subjects Ancient example, 1200 years before Mahmud : Coin of Indo-Greek ruler Apollodotos I of BAKTRIA, Greco-Baktrian Kingdom https://cngcoins.com/photos/enlarged/4090333.jpg (courtesy: cngcoins) The Greek Legend read on obv...
by Murugan
04 May 2018 11:26
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5097
Views: 361894

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Mahmud of Ghazni had to try hard for pushing Arabic in India (Punjab) To gain acceptability, he issued coins in Bi-Script (Arabic-Sharda), Bi-lingual (Arabic-Sanskrit) fashion http://classicalnumismaticgallery.com/images/products/AUC19/normal/108.jpg (courtesy: classical numismatic gallery, Ahmedaba...

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