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by ldev
02 Jul 2020 23:39
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Nuclear weapons are weapons of deterrence. Not deterrence to avoid conventional conflict, but deterrence to avoid a nuclear first strike by your adversary. The deployed Agni 2 and 3 are ONLY/SOLELY nuclear tipped - there are no conventional warheads on them. Agni 5 has not yet been operationally de...
by ldev
02 Jul 2020 23:20
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Am I missing something? Both Beijing and Shanghai are <5,000 kms from Indian mainland, well within Agni V range and that would have been the design goal for this missile. If we are talking about Chengdu and Chongqing -> the war would have escalated already and all bets are off. The Chinese are not ...
by ldev
02 Jul 2020 23:04
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Raveen wrote:.... its a missile system, not a Chetak you can tilt and launch if it doesn't work the first time.
:rotfl:
by ldev
02 Jul 2020 22:22
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

I guess one of the first question that Modiji would ask his Military/Finance Minister would be.. 1. How long a war can we sustain without additional debt? 2. How long a battle can China sustain against India excluding other factors other than military and finance? 3. Excluding nukes what is the max...
by ldev
02 Jul 2020 20:20
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Long range strike capability, I couldn’t agree more. Maybe somebody from GOI does read BRF!! This is what I have been crying hoarse about on this thread for the last few weeks!! Design and development of a new 1,000 kilometres strike range Land Attack Cruise Missile by the DRDO has also been cleare...
by ldev
02 Jul 2020 20:04
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

This is not true at all. While certainly not as easily covered as Pakistan, China has several major targets in the range of ~1000 km . Chengdu is around 900km from Dibrugarh, Chongqing (also written Chungking) is I think around 1100 km. Chengdu is a major military centre. Chongqing was developed as...
by ldev
02 Jul 2020 10:37
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 964317

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Well Taiwan is a non nuclear state. CCP has a stated policy of no first use. You can assume BM launches to be conventional. The populations in Taiwan is culturally Chinese, so to speak. They don’t have any advantage in permanently making that spot inhabitable. With us, it’s a different scenario. Bo...
by ldev
02 Jul 2020 10:16
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Idev, Any BM launch at a value target like refineries, power plants. Etc. will invite a disproportional counter value response. The BM at launch will be detected by our EW systems and by declared policy invite a massive response. The defender, I.e, India, in this hypothetical scenario, does not kno...
by ldev
02 Jul 2020 09:50
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 964317

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Idev, I agree broadly with your post. However, I feel a certain nuance is lost in it. For a border conflict, which is most likely to happen, there are plenty of counter force options available to IA/IAF/IN in theatre of ops. We are good for about plus or minus 500K. What I suspect you’re worried ab...
by ldev
02 Jul 2020 09:35
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

1. The bottomline is that we cannot sustain a rocket force vs rocket force kind of play with China at the present. Our best bet it to beat them at the border and either push them out from our area or capture some of theirs for an exchange. India today does not have the kind of long range precision ...
by ldev
01 Jul 2020 23:55
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Chinese Army promotions announced - loyalty key factor This article from December 2019 is very informative for the way it explains the internal workings of the promotion system within the Chinese political system in general and the PLA in particular. Corruption and bribery is endemic in the system....
by ldev
01 Jul 2020 22:35
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

CCP was told that the raid to avenge the death of the CO was a decision taken by the junior officers in the heat of the battle. It seems that the CCP wanted a top IA general removed and IA resisted What should have been conveyed to them is that the decision to mount the raid was taken at the junior...
by ldev
01 Jul 2020 22:27
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

RS singh Sir with regards to complacency mentioned in (2) it equally applies on them too. At the end of the day if I were an Indian soldier I would be driven by my desire to protect my motherland, not sure the same applies for a PLGA soldier The PLA troops at the forward deployements can relax unti...
by ldev
01 Jul 2020 21:46
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

NSA K Shivshankar's assertions on Chinese expecting us to behave like a vassal state does not sound strong - because we have shown in Dokalam that we will not back down. When we did not back down even when main incursion was in Bhutan - what would the Chinese be smoking to assume we will back down ...
by ldev
01 Jul 2020 19:40
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 964317

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

In 1990 India's GDP was $ 321 Billion and China was $ 360 Billion. The divergence started from then on. In 2019 India is at 3.2 trillion and China at 14.1 trillion. GDP PPP India at 11 trillion and GDP PPP China at 27 trillion. So China's GDP PPP/GDP at nominal prices is 2X, India is at 3.4X. Becaus...
by ldev
01 Jul 2020 11:45
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III
Replies: 2234
Views: 334130

Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

China cannot blatantly clone Flankers without the approval of Russians. The relationship exists beyong simple buyer - seller. Russian designers work hand in glove with Chinese and China must be cofunding some of Russia's latest product development. I think the Russians know that China will copy the...
by ldev
01 Jul 2020 11:28
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 964317

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

1. Our PM is not ready to occupy the vacated PP-14 and you expect him to launch a volley of missiles to target China's strategic oil reserves? It is a matter of political will. If not today and not this PM then some other Indian PM on some other day will have to do it when India really has it's bac...
by ldev
01 Jul 2020 11:01
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III
Replies: 2234
Views: 334130

Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

So MKK doesn't have TVC / canards? No canards, no tvc. Not the same engines. No pesa. Less payload. Bvr and wvr, its not the same. . The 35 is one step away from the mki: apart from what Karan and Rakesh said, 3d tvc, powerful engines, no canards, lighter frame, higher internal fuel, eft capacity, ...
by ldev
01 Jul 2020 04:15
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

At Galwan India did well because it was the middle of the night and the Indian Army soldiers on the front lines took matters into their own hands. Their bosses and the politicians were fast asleep. When 16 Bihar needed help, other regiments pitched in without any formal orders. As soon as the bosses...
by ldev
01 Jul 2020 04:01
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

And, maybe - in this one case (thrashing) loop in Japan and the US on the Eastern front. BUT, only if it is a terminal war. (No, it will not go nuclear.) No more Western Theater Command for the PLA and no more dashed lines in the SCS. Anything less will only lead to analysis paralysis. I have said ...
by ldev
30 Jun 2020 20:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III
Replies: 2234
Views: 334130

Re: MRCA (Many Rakshaks Choose Aircraft) Contest - Episode III

Why is money tight? India sits on more forex than it ever has ... Time to loosen the purse strings a bit and get some major investments in Desi programs and crucial imports like 36 rafale, naval choppers, and mine sweepers. WTF is the point of having a huge forex reserve if you don't use it during ...
by ldev
30 Jun 2020 02:07
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 964317

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Uhh I understand your desire to vent vs the russkis, but why exactly are you expecting to see thaad in action in ladakh? Are the Chinese going to use TBMs? Or are you planning to shoot down their choppers and fighters with an ABM? Did Hezbollah possess any of those TBMs? THAAD/Arrow deployment in I...
by ldev
30 Jun 2020 01:56
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Why cant the Russians provide one of their new S400s that's been deployed already, why wait for one to get manufactured ? You'll need a trained crew to manage whats a very complex system.... That will take time. But I won't be surprised if we get a battery in place within months. Usual Russian FUD....
by ldev
29 Jun 2020 23:13
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

https://m.economictimes.com/news/defence/ladakh-standoff-indias-allies-pitching-in-with-weapons-ammunition/amp_articleshow/76680551.cms?fbclid=IwAR1EKp8KDBV9gJkswrHBULTBKKhVSlPVlBnEvJ7dEVvz0-7IHEb_rJRtduM France has promised to deliver additional Rafale jets next month, an in-service Israeli air de...
by ldev
29 Jun 2020 12:03
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Was supposed to get it for the Jaguar - 1500 units AGM-88E Well that's one more arrow in the quiver... The jags could play a niche role here. It seems like Vivek Ahujajis scenario is close to playing out. The Jaguar upgrade to Darin 3, with the famed Elta 2052 (sans the engine upgrade) is equipped ...
by ldev
29 Jun 2020 11:49
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Cain Marko wrote:Btw do the jags carry any ARM? Agm 88?
Was supposed to get it for the Jaguar - 1500 units AGM-88E
by ldev
29 Jun 2020 11:41
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

One other ticking bomb. It is not a question of IF but when will China start to formally tinker with water as a weapon. It has already started by putting up dams on the Tsangpo (Brahmaputra) in Tibet without sharing water data with India. All of the major north Indian rivers originate in Tibet and c...
by ldev
29 Jun 2020 10:55
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Naval ops as a retaliatory measure are unlikely unless it's buzzing a few plan ships occasionally but that's just not in India's character. I agree it is unlikely. But in fact it is the easiest to mount. 10 million barrels of oil goes to China from the Persian Gulf every day, the shipping lanes pas...
by ldev
29 Jun 2020 10:41
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

None of them are comparable. The s400 has better range numbers than even the best s300s, let alone Chinese clones. Aforementioned Chinese Sam threats can be neutralized by brahmos. More challenging though with s400. Which is why we are getting reports that they've moved the system to the Tibetan pl...
by ldev
29 Jun 2020 00:20
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

IMO people need to go easy on the Malaka straights blockade business - we haven't even decided to use INSAS 1B yet, so naval blockades etc is just in the realm of wet dreams. Correct, no harm in dreaming: One of the most important shipping lanes on the planet is the Strait of Malacca , the shortest...
by ldev
28 Jun 2020 19:31
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Enemy at the gates, so don’t cry wolf Learn to master the ancient Indian art of maunvrat. China has played its hand and the fireworks have only just begun. Given our centralized way of functioning, the fuse has to be in Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s absolute control. He has to read the tea leaves ...
by ldev
28 Jun 2020 18:16
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

A Realistic Assessment Of The People’s Liberation Army Air Force’s Capability Against India http://delhidefencereview.com/2020/06/28/a-realistic-assessment-of-the-peoples-liberation-army-air-forces-capability-against-india/ 28 June 2020 By Colonel Mandeep Singh (Retd) - joined the Indian Army in De...
by ldev
28 Jun 2020 18:06
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

The Chinese will simply move up to IOR and block ship transports from Chennai or even in Arabian sea from Mumbai or Gujarat. Come on saar, isn't this a bit too fanciful? How would blocking a narrow strait be equivalent to open sea/bay, a large one at that? Like the ten-feet tall chinaman, this sugg...
by ldev
28 Jun 2020 18:00
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

7. Option 3. Initiate a border conflict, make it so the other side fires first and you are the “ defender “. Inflict visible and undeniable pain and immediately withdraw to pre April 2020 positions having demonstrated the will and might of the SHA. Simultaneously sue for peace with the withdrawal a...
by ldev
28 Jun 2020 17:54
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

China can not claim victory even in a short and sharp war, unless the casualties are disproportionately higher... And that is not going to happen... The Chinese need to 'show' its military superiority to the world... It won't happen until they change the status quo or impose severe casualties... Ye...
by ldev
28 Jun 2020 09:17
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

IAF watching Chinese bases sure of matching air power IAF tracking PLAAF fighter and bomber deployments at Kashkar, Hotan, Shigatase, Lhasa... Believes it has superiority in aircraft numbers as well as quality. Concern about PLA Rocket Forces attacking IAF bases with missiles but contingency plans ...
by ldev
28 Jun 2020 02:38
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016
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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Gen.Bakshi on the TOI channel,Times Now,said this evening that there were unconfrmed reports that the Chins had deployed S-400s in Ladakh. If true it adds a whole new dimension to the mil. task confronting us. Our immediate task is acquiring as many aircraft and helos of relevance to the existing f...
by ldev
28 Jun 2020 02:35
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

MRSAM was handed over to the IAF in August 2019. Its tests are complete. https://www.vayuaerospace.in/Issue/vayu-issue-Vayu-Issue-V-Sep-Oct-2019.pdf MR-SAMs for IAFDefence Minister Rajnath Singh presented the first medium range surface-to-air-missile (MRSAM), built by Bharat Dynamics Limited(BDL) i...
by ldev
27 Jun 2020 22:10
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
Replies: 8042
Views: 964317

Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/india-moves-air-defence-missile-systems-into-eastern-ladakh-sector/articleshow/76661064.cms I think this is old news, released now to make it appear as the latest update. No army worth it’s salt would move in a combat zone without effective AA/AD options. O...

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