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by Arvind
03 Jul 2003 06:58
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
Replies: 176
Views: 38558

Re: Indian History Discussions - III

Most Hilarious AIT narrative on Rama's birth place
:rotfl:
Got this by e-mail. While I am by no means an OIT believer, this is a simply hilarious narrative on the birth place of rAmachandra. Can people get more idiotic than this and still throw stones on others?
by Arvind
28 Jun 2003 09:24
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
Replies: 176
Views: 38558

Re: Indian History Discussions - III

Collected works of Lala Lajpat Rai A new volume with the works of Lala in one tome. He was a great doyen of the Indian struggle against the British predators along with the two other extermists Tilak and Aurobindo. He was finally killed by the British to get him out of the way. Had this triad of La...
by Arvind
27 Jun 2003 04:46
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
Replies: 176
Views: 38558

Re: Indian History Discussions - III

Originally posted by ramana: [QB]H^2 any leads and info on Andhra Smarthas? Thanks in advance. I am not culturally AS myself but they figure in my ancestory: my maternal grandmother's father's mother :) was from a Andhra smarta vaidiki family in the Guntur district. That part of my maternal lineage...
by Arvind
20 Jun 2003 05:46
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
Replies: 176
Views: 38558

Re: Indian History Discussions - III

The first turk to come in contact with India was Emperor Kanishka of the Kushan dynasty. Of course, the Kushans were derivatives of the Yueh-Chi tribe which which was forced to migrate from Central Asia following an westward expansionist drive from the Chinese. 2 quick points: There is much evidenc...
by Arvind
19 Jun 2003 21:58
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
Replies: 176
Views: 38558

Re: Indian History Discussions - III

The Mongol conquest of Myanmar In 1044, rAja aniruddha the chief of the Mramma tribe was brought to the fold of the sangha by the brAhmaNa paNDita, dharmadarshi from bhAratavarsha. He ascended the throne in Pagan and Sanskritized it as arimardanapura. He first moved against the Mon kingdom of Thato...
by Arvind
14 Jun 2003 23:13
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
Replies: 176
Views: 38558

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Question: which was the last independent Indic state in Central Asia and when was it annihilated? Answer: It was the state of Khotan. It survived the Chinese and Islamic whirlwinds and persisted in classical Indic tradition as a multi-ethnic state with religious freedom under benign Indic monarchs. ...
by Arvind
06 Jun 2003 10:42
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Histories of Cities in India
Replies: 137
Views: 52096

Re: Histories of Cities in India

The magAcharyas were the Indian remnants of the shakas. From the pauraNic tale one may infer that they were concentrated around mUlasthAna and were absorbed into the older lore about the city involving sAmba. The main lineages of the Sakas were: The Saka Tyaiya Paradraya (the far away Sakas, also ca...
by Arvind
03 Jun 2003 21:51
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
Replies: 176
Views: 38558

Re: Indian History Discussions - III

O Vijay thanks for correcting your original statement. Now that you have done that we may get to the more scientific side of the arguments. Just to make it clear: The molecular studies on populations are still far from complete and there may be details that are still confounding workers. Originally ...
by Arvind
03 Jun 2003 06:05
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Shaping Reality: India vs. China
Replies: 98
Views: 39518

Re: Shaping Reality: India vs. China

General (for personal reasons) opened one of the gates of the Great Wall to allow the Khitan (Manchu) army into China, and then into Beijing. Khitan and Manchu are different. Khitan are a Mongolic tribe and ruled China 907-1125 and were called teh Liao dynasty. They were a prelude to the Chingizid ...
by Arvind
03 Jun 2003 06:03
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Shaping Reality: India vs. China
Replies: 98
Views: 39518

Re: Shaping Reality: India vs. China

General (for personal reasons) opened one of the gates of the Great Wall to allow the Khitan (Manchu) army into China, and then into Beijing. Khitan and Manchu are different. Khitan are a Mongolic tribe and ruled China 907-1125 and were called teh Liao dynasty. They were a prelude to the Chingizid ...
by Arvind
03 Jun 2003 05:30
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
Replies: 176
Views: 38558

Re: Indian History Discussions - III

Originally posted by acharya: Another falsehood http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com /StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1051390406873&p=1012571727169 Absolutely, India is free only in name, not in reality because those very Mogol monuments stand atop the true structure...
by Arvind
03 Jun 2003 05:26
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
Replies: 176
Views: 38558

Re: Indian History Discussions - III

I guess this data pretty well nails the twin lies of Brahmins keeping themselves racially pure and being descendents of "Aryans". Our genes tells us that a lot of mixing was happening in our history but intolerance and rigidness crept in recently ... perhaps over the last thousand years. Primarily ...
by Arvind
03 Jun 2003 05:21
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
Replies: 176
Views: 38558

Re: Indian History Discussions - III

Could that be because Indians themselves were a multi-racial society from very very ancient times? Well I would say that the Indians are quite mixed from fairly ancient times.But I wonder if this alone has something to do with the Indian patterns of conquest. Certainly we were quite tolerant to div...
by Arvind
02 Jun 2003 05:46
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
Replies: 176
Views: 38558

Re: Indian History Discussions - III

Some of Amir Khusroo's florid prose describing the deeds of his patron Alla-ad-din of vile memory from khazain-ul-futuh . To be more precise his commander Maliq Naib Barbeq (from the Hindustani translation using E&D of course as a template): "The tongue of the sword of the Khalifa of the time, w...
by Arvind
02 Jun 2003 05:09
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Shaping Reality: India vs. China
Replies: 98
Views: 39518

Re: Shaping Reality: India vs. China

Thanks Akash, but evidently I did not put the point accross well enough: Originally posted by Carl: Didn't India also assimilate earlier pre-Islamic intruders? Yes, there is no disagreement here. The point I was trying to make was per say not about assimilation in our own territory but demographic w...
by Arvind
02 Jun 2003 00:28
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Shaping Reality: India vs. China
Replies: 98
Views: 39518

Re: Shaping Reality: India vs. China

China’s demographics make works against independence of the it’s outlying imperial territories. Han Chinese constitute 93% of the population and in any crisis can simply overwhelm the minorities Well the leveraging of the Han population is one of China's most important traits. It is not...
by Arvind
27 May 2003 02:30
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
Replies: 176
Views: 38558

Re: Indian History Discussions - III

Originally posted by Kannan: Without a doubt, this seems to work best if you look around the world. Conversion is certainly a lasting element of Christianity, but forced and deceitful coercions go against its own philosophy and this is what needs to be eradicated Separation of religion on state is ...
by Arvind
26 May 2003 00:10
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
Replies: 176
Views: 38558

Re: Indian History Discussions - III

Not exactly, Indian history, but the significance of these events for later Indian history and the origins of the great game cannot be under-estimated. The struggle against the Khan Toqtamish The land North of the Syr Darya delta and the Little Aral Sea was the domain of the White Horde Khanate. In ...
by Arvind
25 May 2003 00:03
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Histories of Cities in India
Replies: 137
Views: 52096

Re: Histories of Cities in India

relates to Prahlada and the Narasimha Avatara -- the notion of Vishnu being in everything. Yes, The kUrma purANa mentions an ancient temple of nR^isiMha in mUlasthAna. The city seems to have been a major center for the worship of mitra and sUrya in the Iranian tradition. Below is the paurANic tale ...
by Arvind
24 May 2003 11:35
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Histories of Cities in India
Replies: 137
Views: 52096

Re: Histories of Cities in India

[QB]Jallandhar or jal-under ( under water) in Punjab is also a Though, this is not history, it is a part of the great Hindu epic mythology associated with the origin of this city. Actually, jalandhara was the son of samudra. He was named so because he brought darkness (andhara) by bringing tears (j...
by Arvind
22 May 2003 05:50
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Histories of Cities in India
Replies: 137
Views: 52096

Re: Histories of Cities in India

Fairly good biography of kumarajIva You can find a good introduction to start with in the book, empire of the steppes by Rene Grousset. Anyhow, another point that our history books often fail to mention is the founding of cities by Indians outside of India. This has not happened often in recent tim...
by Arvind
22 May 2003 00:18
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Histories of Cities in India
Replies: 137
Views: 52096

Re: Histories of Cities in India

However, if you go a little further down in time (i.e. less ancient), a lot of our history seems to have been reconstructed from myriad sources including accounts from foreign travellers. You may have some very subtle line here that some of us are perhaps missing. But implicit in your statement (in...
by Arvind
21 May 2003 09:23
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Histories of Cities in India
Replies: 137
Views: 52096

Re: Histories of Cities in India

When is the earliest archeological evidence in these cities dated to? References would be appreciated. Two reliable methods have been used to date the Indus civilization. 1) The Mesopotamian frame work: The Extensive work in Mesopotamia has resulted in a detailed caliberation of its entire urban se...
by Arvind
21 May 2003 07:22
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Indian History Discussions - III
Replies: 176
Views: 38558

Re: Indian History Discussions - III

Important Idol stolen by the Britons. The original bhojashAla temple was built by the great rAja bhoja of the paramAras who was one of the leaders of the battle against the mohammedans in Bahraich. It also had a sanskrit university which contained this sarasvati stature. Alla-ad-din Khalji had brok...
by Arvind
21 May 2003 07:01
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Histories of Cities in India
Replies: 137
Views: 52096

Re: Histories of Cities in India

By conservative accounts Dholavira and Rakhigarhi from ~2500BC were India's oldest cities. This is of course excluding the sites in Western India that are now being called TSP. Mohenjodaro, Harappa, Chanhudaro (In TSP), Shortugai (Afghanistan), Dholavira, Rakhigarhi, Lothal, Rangpur, Desalpur, Surko...
by Arvind
18 May 2003 22:27
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Why has it become so cool to hate India
Replies: 320
Views: 75879

Re: Why has it become so cool to hate India

Would anybody think that GW and Jeb would be occupying their current positions, if pater familias was not president?

Regarding marriages: Surveys have shown that on an average mates tend to maximise similarity.

Just extrapolate the consequences of these things in a non-PeeCee society....
by Arvind
18 May 2003 11:01
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Why has it become so cool to hate India
Replies: 320
Views: 75879

Re: Why has it become so cool to hate India

caste is neither a uniquely Indian phenomenon nor an unnatural one. The varNa as was practiced in Indo-Aryan India was an offshoot of the social tripartation seen in various other Indo-European societies, eg. German, Iranian and Keltic. It vanished in its native form in Iran and Europe because the n...
by Arvind
17 May 2003 22:41
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Why has it become so cool to hate India
Replies: 320
Views: 75879

Re: Why has it become so cool to hate India

regarding varNa: The maturity of the discussions on BRF thus far is a healthy sign. In most other Indian cyber-conglomerations you will here people fretting and losing sense over the issue of varNa. Human inequality and social stratification are facts of life and we need to learn to accept it, rathe...
by Arvind
17 May 2003 22:15
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Why has it become so cool to hate India
Replies: 320
Views: 75879

Re: Why has it become so cool to hate India

Shridhar, I have unfortunately lost your original post on that thread as well. So the contest is gone. But, will try to revive the general issue later. ..... Got this by e-mail, see the way secularists warp even recent history, leave alone the distant past: http://www.boloji.com/voices/v034.htm
by Arvind
17 May 2003 08:43
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Why has it become so cool to hate India
Replies: 320
Views: 75879

Re: Why has it become so cool to hate India

Why was the DAM thread dumped? There was an important issue regarding which I would have appreciated a clear reply from Sridhar.
by Arvind
15 May 2003 22:59
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: P V Narsimha Rao
Replies: 102
Views: 38238

Re: P V Narsimha Rao

It was under his regime that the symbol of the slavery of Hindus -- that horrible structur Completely agree, most memorable point of PV's rule indeed. I was in jcollege then and PVNR had graduated from the same college several years earlier :) So there was sense of admiration for him in the local s...
by Arvind
09 May 2003 12:08
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Why has it become so cool to hate India
Replies: 320
Views: 75879

Re: Why has it become so cool to hate India

Originally posted by narayanan: So we've got to act. Now. When opportunity presents, and we have to MAKE those opportunities. Agreed, I am not at all suggesting inaction. I was just stating that we should not be frustrated at the so called "fatalism" of Indians on an average. It was required in the...
by Arvind
09 May 2003 05:49
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Why has it become so cool to hate India
Replies: 320
Views: 75879

Re: Why has it become so cool to hate India

Originally posted by Gayatri Srinivasan: When I think about it, I feel the one thing that is drilled into our custom is "fate"/"grace" anything good happens it is because of something external, not really because of your hardwork/intelligence, and you are not really praised nor really allowed to fe...
by Arvind
05 May 2003 04:16
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: LCA is Named Tejas!!!
Replies: 321
Views: 47263

Re: LCA is Named Tejas!!!

--> Rambha's cousin. :D
rambhA, menakA or urvashI would have been great names... for these beauties <img src="http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/ubb/icons/icon10.gif" alt="" />
by Arvind
04 May 2003 22:54
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: LCA is Named Tejas!!!
Replies: 321
Views: 47263

Re: LCA is Named Tejas!!!

thanks Shiv: just saw that very gratifying clip with the engine noise. Hope this is the beginning of the true Indian conquest of the air. Added later: That place from where you seem to have shot the video looks like a familiar spot in my native city! We have spent many a day looking at planes take o...
by Arvind
11 Jan 2003 10:27
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: India and the Social Sciences
Replies: 94
Views: 35156

Re: India and the Social Sciences

http://www.rediff.com/money/2003/jan/10pbd3.htm Is Sir Vidia a brown sahib or does he have a point? The oldest generations in my family used to say that given the choice between a Briton and a Moslem tyrrant they would any day choose the Briton... They would say thank the gods Hyder Ali and Tipu Su...
by Arvind
05 Dec 2002 11:49
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: India's Inspirational Personalities
Replies: 111
Views: 50671

Re: India's Inspirational Personalities

Also see: www.vijayanagaracoins.com/ (good site) "Forgotten Empire" by Robert Sewell, Asian Educational Services, Delhi,2000. Yes Sewell is a good source but there are certain issues with this work: >He relies on Nuniz and others. Nuniz is rather confused in his account of Mohamed bin Tughlaq. Secon...
by Arvind
05 Dec 2002 05:14
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: India's Inspirational Personalities
Replies: 111
Views: 50671

Re: India's Inspirational Personalities

Did any one name Harihara and Bukka ?

But for them many of us many be indistinguishable from our neighbors in Terroristan and there would have been no forum to discuss all these matters.
by Arvind
29 Nov 2002 11:24
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Survey: What got you interested in defense matters?
Replies: 53
Views: 20546

Re: Survey: What got you interested in defense matters?

My first post on BRF; but I have been reading BR-monitor for a whole year and visiting BRF for several weeks now after a BRF member incidentally informed me of its existence. >(1) Why are you interested in defense/security issues, especially those relating to India? Because war is a primal primate i...

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