Bharat Rakshak

Jagan, Thanks. I don't frequent any other forum, so can't say how it is at other forums. But I must say I have more encountered more surly, prickly, and gratuitously rude personalities here than at any other place. To my foreign friends who frequent this forum, all I can say is that please do not fo...

Have no desire to get side-tracked but here's a brief response: (Dr.) Tim Hoyt is the only person on this forum who as far as I know has been invited to testify in Congress as a security expert. We may all be experts and have credentials in our particular spheres, but this forum is not intended to a...

Cross-posting from the Indo-US thread. For this proposal to have legs, it must resonate with the entire Congress (although 178-180 members of the India Caucus is no mean number). The media are doing their part. It's now up to experts like Dr. Hoyt to step up to the plate and do their part. ;) (I mea...

Posted by Tim: This has nothing to do with individuals - Pakistan's nuclear trade clearly got signed off on at a very high level, if not indeed the highest level. The military industries and research bureaus of all three states appear to be cooperating in mutually reinforcing ways, in both missile a...

Now apply the same in US/Pakistan/India's situation. Indians on this forum and some in the media may be looking at things from one perspective but US govt maybe looking at things from another perspective too. Raj, I do not disagree that official Washington has chosen to see things in a particular p...

Posted by TSJ: Dr. Khan is a doomed man. The pardon sealed his fate. He is a mortal enemy of America and he is walking free. According to Bush's war on terrorism precepts, that is a no-no. Let's wait and see. I predict a car ambush or maybe an airplane explosion. How's it feel Dr. Khan to look over ...

Raj Singh, it is clear that the Bush Administration has made a political judgment that accepting the charade of the Khan apology and pardon - the barest of figleafs if one ever saw it - is the best political course of action because they do not want Musharraf to be destabilized. Now if Dr. Hoyt or o...

Posted by Raj Singh: Suryavir quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- despite the sugar-coated pronouncements that official Washington makes about Musharraf's support, there is no question now that most in the media and the security industry are very s...

Originally posted by Ananda: Its not such a mystery if you really think about it. Pakistan has been extremely useful to the US for many decades. You dont discard such a useful ally. Just some examples: Helping the US spy on the Soviets during the Cold War. Gary Power took off on his U2 from a base i...

US rulers cant even admit they were wrong in Iraq. you expect them to admit all the statecraft and paycheques over 50 yrs is 300% wrong and useless? Rudra, the question is not one of offering a mea culpa to its citizens, but whether the US Administration can read the plain hand-writing on the wall ...

Raj, despite the sugar-coated pronouncements that official Washington makes about Musharraf's support, there is no question now that most in the media and the security industry are very seriously worried about Pakistan. Pakistan is the world's number one problem is not just the view of ("biased...

In high school speak, the US and Pakistan are an `item'. Sunil, this blind American obession with Pakistan - a form of Fatal Attraction - is indeed one of the great mysteries of our times. Is there any state that has received so much generosity and material support from the US and still continues t...

Sunil, fwiw, I agree with your last post completely. The Bush Administration is treating the nuclear proliferation issue as being distinct from the terrorism problem, and is willing to trade one for the other. This is a fallacy. Both are the fruits of the same poisoned tree: Pakistan. Neither prolif...

Sunil, "Pakistan's sale of nuclear weapons technology has nothing to do with India. The Pakistanis may have acquired nuclear weapons tech. after 1971 with India in mind, but the business like attitude with which they went about hawking the nukes tells me that the Indo-centric focus of Pakistani...

I think we need to start viewing the world through the US-Pak hyphenation and US-Pak equivalence. Sunil, the US-Pakistan-India trilateral relationship is much more nuanced and far too complex to allow a categorical statement like the one above. Because of the combined nuclear- terrorism dimension t...

Posted by AJay It is axiomatic that the nuclear genie cannot be stuffed back into the bottle. AJay, I don't think the world can afford to throw in the towel so soon; the dangers to the world are too great to take that defeatist attitude so easily. Yes, it is an enormously difficult problem and may ...

What matters if indeed the stables really are being watched properly now. Thats what really matters, and that is worth putting energy and thought in to. Johann, 1) What gives you the confidence - after so many lies that Musharraf has been caught red-handedly with - that he can be trusted now for ce...

Originally posted by Rangudu: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nuclear Inquiry Skips Pakistani Army By DAVID ROHDE But none of the accounts prove that the army, or Pakistan's government, approved the transfer of nuclear technology. American and...

So the US publicly making statements detrimental to India's interests must be welcomed?? Who said anything about welcoming US statements that are inimical to India? Criticize them vigorously by all means....better yet, argue whey they are wrong, both for India as well as for the US. However, using ...

All in all, treating the US as an outright adversary/hostile state (privately, not a public stance) seems best

If this forum is as widely read as I think it is, statements like this will do more harm than good to India.

Fox News is also reporting this story...attributing it to the Chicago Tribune. If true, it certainly could be one of those historical moments. On the other hand, with the amount of duplicity we have seen in the last 2 + years, it is too early to put too much stock in the report.

What those are is anyone's guess - but I'm beginning to get the feeling that they've decided to undo Pakistan (as we know it) from inside out, rather than via the conventional method. JEM, There is no doubt that that is exactly the strategy the US Admin. has adopted for Pakistan. And they probably ...

Tim, You have been studying the Paki psychopathology for some time now. You can't possibly believe this charade, can you? This is about the dumbest and most transparent of lies the Pakis have concocted in their extended string of lies. The State Department has "chosen" to adopt this "...

This is probably a device to innoculate itself against some damning connection to the Paki outing.

JrJ, minor correction....that song is from the 1953 (?) Satyen Bose directed movie, "Jagriti."

While some may disagree, I view the following two songs to fall in the genre of patriotic songs: 1) Rajinder Kishan's eternal paen to Mahatma Gandhi in 1948 (sung by a devotional Rafi): Suno Suno Ae Duniyawallon, Bapu Ki Yeh Amar Kahani Woh Bapu Jo Pujya Hain Itna Jitna Ganga Ma Ka Pani Suno Suno......

Don't know if it has already been posted. One of the most poignant patriotic songs is from Bimal Roy's Bandini, sung by Manna Dey, music S.D. Burman, lyrics (probably) Shailendra. As best as I can recall, the song is sung by a freedom fighter as he is being led to "Fansi," as the poor, hea...