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by pavannair
01 Jul 2003 13:59
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Manning the Siachen Glacier
Replies: 126
Views: 51703

Re: Manning the Siachen Glacier

I would like to thank the forum specially Ray and YIP for their in depth analyses and comments.I would like to sign off now and leave some thoughts for you.Hopefully I will not be repeating myself. 1. So where do we go from here?Do we continue with the policy of a stalemate situation which has been ...
by pavannair
30 Jun 2003 23:11
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Manning the Siachen Glacier
Replies: 126
Views: 51703

Re: Manning the Siachen Glacier

For kgoan Thanks for your advice to post the article at this site.I am quite enjoying the experience of relating to an enlightened forum even if I am on the wrong side of the stick. I have glanced through the papers.Very relevant to the issue.A few points.The papers were written in 95 so some events...
by pavannair
30 Jun 2003 22:56
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Manning the Siachen Glacier
Replies: 126
Views: 51703

Re: Manning the Siachen Glacier

For Bishwa. Thanks for the quotes from Gen Khans book.I would like to add another quote in the same chapter that it is a most senseless and aimless war that we are fighting and neither side will make any headway in this area and that the troops are suffering heavily. I was also awaiting your respons...
by pavannair
30 Jun 2003 22:43
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Manning the Siachen Glacier
Replies: 126
Views: 51703

Re: Manning the Siachen Glacier

General response to Ray-2 Hi, Thanks for your detailed analysis.I think there is communication gap here.I am recommending a TOTAL pullout from Saltoro-no OP's,nothing.No taking back any heights occupied by the Pakis.Its goodbye to Saltoro for ever.The OP's will be on the glacier down below.Let the P...
by pavannair
30 Jun 2003 17:58
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Manning the Siachen Glacier
Replies: 126
Views: 51703

Re: Manning the Siachen Glacier

I seem to have ruffled a lot of feathers with my remark about Mush.I would like to withdraw that remark so that we can get on with the issue in question.Thanks
by pavannair
30 Jun 2003 16:09
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Manning the Siachen Glacier
Replies: 126
Views: 51703

Re: Manning the Siachen Glacier

Praneet, Just a point about K2.It is jointly owned by Pakistan and our newly found friends the Chinese.Please see Ayub Khans book 'Friends not Masters'.It could however certainly be the trijunction. DRDO is as good or as bad as any other organisation including the army.I have no issues with them exc...
by pavannair
30 Jun 2003 16:02
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Manning the Siachen Glacier
Replies: 126
Views: 51703

Re: Manning the Siachen Glacier

This is a general response to YI Patel's considered views. Sir, I think I have not been succint enough in my paper and would therefore like to say that my article is based on the single premise that it is not possible to develop and sustain operations by a viable military force over the Saltoro ridg...
by pavannair
30 Jun 2003 15:12
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Manning the Siachen Glacier
Replies: 126
Views: 51703

Re: Manning the Siachen Glacier

Bishwa,thanks for your comments.I would like to respond parawise. 1.True.What I meant was that the 'line'passes through the passes and hence their occupation was technically illegal as the line was not made inclusive to either party in the Karachi Agreement irrespective of the interpretation of the ...
by pavannair
29 Jun 2003 18:31
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Manning the Siachen Glacier
Replies: 126
Views: 51703

Re: Manning the Siachen Glacier

For Ray.Thanks for your thoughts and prompt response.The idea of writing this paper was to create awareness of an issue which is not on the agenda anymore.I have sent it to a cross section of people in and out of government.I am getting a few positive reponses including one from the Chief.I must how...
by pavannair
29 Jun 2003 15:03
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Manning the Siachen Glacier
Replies: 126
Views: 51703

Re: Manning the Siachen Glacier

This is a pointwise response to the very pertinent points made by Ray. 1.It is difficult for me to answer the question of the line of defence in Nubra.The field force commander would have taken a decision at that point of time but I would say that the Nubra Valley is highly defensible since it has r...
by pavannair
29 Jun 2003 13:52
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Manning the Siachen Glacier
Replies: 126
Views: 51703

Re: Manning the Siachen Glacier

Hi Shiv,
Col Nair is fine.Thanks for correcting the layout.I would like to respond to Ray and will then revert to the points made by you.However in principle I agree wih you that USW has to be backed by the proverbial Danda.
by pavannair
29 Jun 2003 13:23
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Manning the Siachen Glacier
Replies: 126
Views: 51703

Re: Manning the Siachen Glacier

Here is a point wise response to sunil s 1.If we pull out from Saltoro then there is no question of reoccupying any height again.It will be goodbye once and for all.Good riddance according to me!However with the surveillance means now available we will be able to get early warning of any viable buil...
by pavannair
29 Jun 2003 12:57
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Manning the Siachen Glacier
Replies: 126
Views: 51703

Re: Manning the Siachen Glacier

I would like to respond pointwise to Praneet N 1.If we intend to retake Pok then the best option would be to make a small push into the Shyok Valley from Turtok and outflank the Paki positions on Saltoro.That way there would be no need to hold the heights and that would solve the problem of infiltra...
by pavannair
29 Jun 2003 12:06
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Manning the Siachen Glacier
Replies: 126
Views: 51703

Re: Manning the Siachen Glacier

In response to the query by Khan-I would like to say that after the war in Iraq-Uncle Sam has got his eye on the Pak 'strategic weapon'.In fact they even inspected their facilities.I dont think the Pakis would try a nuclear misadventure.To that extent-as far as this subject is concerned-we should no...
by pavannair
28 Jun 2003 14:08
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Manning the Siachen Glacier
Replies: 126
Views: 51703

Re: Manning the Siachen Glacier

HIMALYAN GAMES By Col Pavan Nair,VSM(Retd) The ‘Great Game’ played in the frontier provinces of British India concluded with the creation of independent India and Pakistan.However,we the inheritors are continuing with a desi version of the Game in our backyard.No,I am not talking about K...
by pavannair
28 Jun 2003 13:16
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Manning the Siachen Glacier
Replies: 126
Views: 51703

Manning the Siachen Glacier

I would like to have your views on the decision which was taken in late 83 to occupy Saltoro.Gen Hoon then commanding 15 Corps says in his book published in 2000 that Khardung La and Leh would have been threatened had we not done so.Gen Chibber-the then Army Commander says that Pakistan would have o...

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