Bharat Rakshak

Calvin

The results can be seen as what is happening in NorthEast of India. That's not what I was getting at. We were discussing how the minorities "owe" the nation. My question was directed at this idea of a "debt" that is "owed", and what would happen if the "minority&q...

Calvin

The minorities owe the majority some very important things.

And what happens if they don't agree?

Calvin

the religious belief of the individual compels him to subscribe politically to the beliefs of the religious leaders ... There are so many exceptions to the above statement, that one might say that this rule is observed more in the breach. Consequently one might say that repeating such an obvious fa...

Calvin

the minorities dont owe anything to the majority per se, but to the nation collectively. OWE? What does any individual citizen "owe" the nation, any different from any other citizen? What does the religious belief of said citizen have to do with what s/he "owes" the nation? (Not...

Calvin

Also how to make sure that rape does not happen by not welcoming the rape as legitimate.

Rakesh should speak for himself on this, but I don't think he was suggesting that the invasion itself was legitimate or appreciated.

Calvin

For those of us that are from Kerala and the Syrian Christian tradition, there is a clear distinction between Knanaya Christians (Catholics and Orthodox Christians) and other Syrian Christians (Orthodox, Syro Malabar Catholic, and Malankara Syrian Catholic). The Knanaya Christians trace their histor...

Calvin

Can you tell me what "positives" we had from the invasions This is highly dependent on your point of view. A detested event can still *result* in aspects that are redeeming. An example would be a baby born from a rape. Globalization would have ensured mutireligious population in the world...

Calvin

would folks agree that Christianity in Goa was built up on barbaric principles? If by "barbaric principles" you mean "the use of force", there is little to disagree with there. As for the building of churches on destroyed temples, it would seem that this would happen in two inst...

Calvin

GS: Please desist from destroying these threads with the copy from hamsa. Please direct us to the specific paragraph, and leave the rest as a link.

The link is http://www.hamsa.org

All the commentary about Thomas starts at http://www.hamsa.org/01.htm

Calvin

My reading of Rakesh's post is that he is saying that regardless of what happened in the past, we now have a multi-religious population, and that he is glad that the population is multi-religious. It appears that the sensitivity of people is forcing a politically correct language, where anything pos...

Calvin

I know Tamil Nadu very well. There is a massive ongoing fight between "upper caste" and "dalit" christians for the past decade and a half now, especially in the southern districts with good concentrations of Christian population, Tuticorin, Palaymkottai etc.. Ah, this would expl...

Calvin

Do we really need the "Happy Easter" greetings on this thread, or even this forum?

Calvin

I remember streets going empty on sundays when the serials would run.

I remember churches moving their service times to accomodate the interest in watching Ramayan. I am not sure what this means, though.

Calvin

Abhijit: Your question was "why do you hate Hindus, especially upper castes so much? " This presupposes that Sajan hates Hindus, and one is merely looking for a reason. This is identical to the premise behind "when did you stop beating your wife?" where the presupposition is that...

Calvin

Abhishekcc said, on the 8th running of this thread Religion Thread 8 Ok, I can see now where you are coming from. It seems that you believe that Dharma is something like Sharia - a set a fixed dos and donts. If so, then you cannot be farther from the truth. Dharma is esentially flexible, allowing ea...

Calvin

Do we want to start at the beginning of this thread, or at the beginning of the process (since it is archived)?

And, do certain categories of people get free rein to vent? Or do all categories do? What category does Sadler fall into?

Calvin

Tilak - It appears that your posts are flame bait. If there is no meaningful content, please desist.

Calvin

Do you think that Sajan's usage of the words "You are desperate" in the same post that he accused someone of chasing windmills is another harmless expression that contributes greatly to the powerful arguments that Sajan is able to make to support his view. I find it no more or less german...

Calvin

Hence Shiv's theory of Hindu-Christians is not that far fetched. My contention is that this already exists, it is called Indian Christian. It is not the name that gives rise to the tensions. In an earlier thread, I had sought to draw attention to this by asking whether people believe a conversion t...

Calvin

[quote]Let all citizens of that Indian state be treated according to their individual worth irrespective of their religious or racial percentage in general population.â€

Calvin

No disagreement on the implication that what happened 50 years ago, is happening today.

Calvin

I am not saying this discrimination is not happening, but that I haven't seen it. Now, I have seen many churches where people stand outside, due to lack of space on the inside, or if they were young men pretending to be religious. I have not encountered the concept of the "middle caste" of...

Calvin

No need that something new has to be revealed. It could just be to help explain something old. A simple equation when symoblically represented for example E= mC^2 does not have reveal something new everytime one looks at it. My point was this, until Einstein figured out relativity, the prevailiing ...

Calvin

I have yet to visit a church in India where there are separate pews for 'lower caste" and "upper caste" - my experiences are limited to Kerala and Tamil Nadu, nor have I visited a "lower caste" church, nor an "upper caste" church.

Calvin

Why do you hate hindus, especially upper caste hindus so much? This is a LOADED QUESTION - a logical fallacy, like the "when did you stop beating your wife" question. As anyone knows, loaded questions are to be treated with the derision they deserve, perhaps with a riposte in the same abo...

Calvin

the "understanding" has led to the symoblism to capture that understanding and not other way round. People often see images in the clouds. A lot of what one sees, depends on where one sits, and is not as much a commentary on the object of one's observation as it is on oneself. What is sta...

Calvin

similarly, when you think of a god with 4 hands or 4 heads etc, try to understand that symbol rather than just laugh at it It seems to me that most practitioners of the faith, have a different, likely "unscientific" view of these multi-capitalized-multi-limbed images. Secondly, has the &q...

Calvin

I'd ask you to ask yourself why you have the urge to be abusive towards someone who is on the same side as you - simply because he questions something that is considered an unquestionable given?

This is a thought shared by many on this forum when they read religious threads.

Calvin

Regarding the flag - the US has had its fair share of free speech/flag burning arguments - and one is reminded of the Prophet Cartoons from last year as well - how robust of an idea are we defending, if it can be defiled by being physically trodden on? This flag thing is a sideshow and is not a comm...

Calvin

The purpose of the statement was to define the Hindu as a thoughful and analytical, giving, sensitive and tolerant person that he is. All qualities that cause jealousy and heartburn among others who seek to bring down what they cannot be. Is this a necessary, or sufficient condition? If it is a nec...

Calvin

Christians are allowed to analyze as long as the analysis does not contradict the bible. Their philosophy on life is shackled by biblical mandates. There are very strict mandates that a christian has to abide by. As a result, their views on life are not driven by intellect but by faith in crude man...

Calvin

Calvin, the answer to that question would depend on whether I wanted to make a "you farted" statement to hit all non Hindus in the face or not.

So, what was the purpose of the statement?

Calvin

So, are all analytical people hindu? Are all non-analytical (say, "feelers") non-hindu? I am not sure I comprehend the purpose of that particular stereotype.

Greg: I was kidding, mathematicians say that without mathematics, there would be no physics.

Calvin

Mathematicians beg to differ.

Calvin

The only place one hears about "hindu" not being a religion is in conversations with a "hindu". My mental capacity is being overwhelmed by this coup. It is a Hindu trait to question, analyse and argue This is not a very useful stereotype, its like saying that "its a Hindu tr...

Calvin

Sajan, why do you hate Hindus, especially upper castes so much?

I don't believe Sajan hates Hindus, what has he said that causes us to make these assertions?

Therefore Hinduism exists only outside of India and the map is correct.

Why are we so concerned about some mapmaker's fantasy of India?

Calvin

Shiv - probably something can be learned from the purveyors of the Great Global Warming hypothesis (i.e., how to position yourself in a changing world)

Calvin

They are Hindus in name only. There was no expansion of Hinduism.

Can we say the same about Christians?

Calvin

Now, the question is whether there is enough awareness in the IC (indian christian) to realize that joining forces with fellow Hindu Indians is also in the best interests of the IC?? This is the key question - I tried to ask Calvin this but I haven't received a response yet. I don't know enough abo...

Calvin

No one has been banned, however, if people are going to engage in speech that is solely intended to disrupt the discussion, they will be banned. This is not about the peanut gallery. If this discussion cannot be had logically, it will not go anywhere. I still do not understand this notion of Dharma,...

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