Bharat Rakshak

nirav

@deejay Saar,
I'll lungi dance if it does secure export orders.. however looking at the air forces needs and HALs production rate, I really doubt if we could ever have spare capacity to export.
The 80 Mk1A are scheduled to be inducted by 2025.. till then,for sure no chance of exports..

nirav

Nirav, the 50,000 cr is for the entire deployment. Including Capex for bases, training, spares, pbl, and not unit fly away costs. This was explained to you by Brarji as well as others. Planned unit fly away costs for each LCA Mk1a is Rs 160-180cr. For Mk1, it is even lower, by 30-40cr. Is there a r...

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srai wrote:
FOC
15 June at 19:55 Narendra CP:
When are we getting the FOC. is it pushed to next year???

17 June at 10:52 Tejas - LCA:
It will happen withing the time frame originally meant for.

Lungi dance moment if the above comes through.
FOC was slated for June.
4 days to go.

nirav

Without foreign orders, funding a production line is not viable. We already have one for mki. Now 1x each for LCA and f16 is ridiculous. OEMs will automatically surface once HAL moves LCA from prototype phase to production. But without a desi engine, both HAL and govt are stalling. There is a reaso...

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The 50,000 crores sanction for 80 Mk1A is by the DAC during Sh Parrikars time.

@wild conclusions - like ?

nirav

I am writing off the Solah for its performance. Read what brar has quoted above.... a lethal platform but not a survivable one . Do you want to sit in a cockpit of a Block 70 or a F-35 in 2030 and enter a dense AD environment over Tibet? Facing SAMs, Su-35 clones, J-20s, J-31s? Take your pick. It w...

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Nirav, that sounds like total acquisition cost which would include elements of fly-away cost, non recurring basing costs and other integration and support costs. That # for the CTOL F-35 variant in 2017 is $111 Million while the recurring fly-away cost (just the flying hardware end items) is in the...

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... If it's available for a mere 100mn the MK1As price tag of almost 90mn looks increasingly bad. Where did you get that $90 million for Mk1A? It is more like $40 million for LCA Mk.1A and $26 million for Mk.1. 50,000 crores approved by DAC for 80 mk1A. 50,000/6600 = 7.57 billion 7570 million for 8...

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Rakesh Saar, @F 35 pricing, Iirc, the JSF program had a financial component while buying in @ the start of the program. The partnerships were staggered with level based partnership. The oft quoted 100mn figure in here may not be for walk ins like us but for existing partners.. If it's available for ...

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We have 20 odd permanent waivers on the ASR of the 80s for a Mig21 replacement. Had this been a Chinese effort, we would have trolled and mocked them till eternity. The LCA certainly will be updated. Current proposed update is Mk1A. It still is a fine aircraft. We can't ask UnObtanium from it by ex...

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Ok saar. I'm not going to continue this further. I do understand where you are coming from.. Last time i happened to make a few posts critical of the lca some posters wondered about my motivation of making those posts when the program was on the 'cusp' If only Lockheed were paying me some dawlars :m...

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You need to acquaint your self with the performance or the 16 during the MMRCA evaluation and then comment regarding the waivers given to the LCA. It will comply with more points then any of the options sought in this deal. Sir, Maybe I am not acquainted with the solahs performance. You genuinely t...

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Amit, I agree that the simplest explanation is the best explanation. But in this case the quickest course of action will still take 5 to 8 years to produce the results. While the LCA line can be scaled up within the next 2 to 3 years from the decision to do so. With an established ability of the IA...

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Amit let go,. The mmrca is dead. In its place we have a farce that is this single engine fighter deal. What I am unable to figure out is that the amount of time taken for the finalisation of this deal and the time taken to deliver the first aircraft into IAF. The mk2 comes into service if all the f...

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So the LCA can fulfill the role of a medium range aircraft in terms of range and payload? Being a jongo is nice but... We have had this discussion before. Even DM Parrikar asked a question why more Su-30MKI wouldn't do instead of the expensive MMRCA. Mix of LCA and MKI would do the job. Once the Ra...

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You haven't committed to a date too ;) That's true. But then I'm not an advocate for the sholah. I'm only trying to make sense of the kind of support that Mod and IAF is extending to this move. It's going to happen, no matter what we jingoes feel about it. The only either/or is Gripen vs Solah. I p...

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I also do believe that the Solah BLK 70 is a capability that our local alternative does not possess and won't even in the Mk1A version. Since you are hellbent on proving LCA Tejas being obsolete and F-16 is better and more capable, first both are not in the same class even though both are single en...

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On board camera video is fantastic, but high-res video macha, high-res!!! OT. I have liked ISROs page on Facebook. Saw a contact us with a phone number! I think it's time us jernails,kernails and nanha mujahids call them up and make a request for better resolution. Maybe do the same@ DD and write l...

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Rakesh Saar, Will all due respect, I'm responding to posters who say no Solah only LCA. Now you could patch in the LCA in your scenario for 2065. Things look better or worse? Who will keep the F-16s constantly upgraded? Every time you want to make changes you will need to run to the US for their pe...

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Rakesh Saar,
Will all due respect, I'm responding to posters who say no Solah only LCA.
Now you could patch in the LCA in your scenario for 2065.
Things look better or worse?

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If obsolescence of the Solah BLK 70 is a worry for posters, where does that leave the LCA? The Solah variant on offer will out spec even the Mk1A which btw is far out. Some are scoffing at Gripen Es FOC date. We seem to forget, the basic LCA hasn't even reached FOC yet ! What is the basis of such a...

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If obsolescence of the Solah BLK 70 is a worry for posters, where does that leave the LCA? The Solah variant on offer will out spec even the Mk1A which btw is far out. Some are scoffing at Gripen Es FOC date. We seem to forget, the basic LCA hasn't even reached FOC yet ! What is the basis of such ar...

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What you want to learn? How to make 4 LCAs per year or how to make 400 F-16 per year. And who is teaching us how to make 400 F-16s per year? We would be churning our F-16s at roughly the same rate as the LCA. FACT. For some odd reason there has been silence from HAL wrt hiking production above 16/y...

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https://www.siae.fr/en/the_show/2017_ex ... s_list.htm

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I would be very surprised if the gripen makes the cut.

Solah for AF and athaara for Navy.

nirav

They have. Kaveri is technologically much more challenging than HTFE-25. HAL is playing safe with HTFE. It has the know how to build that (thrust and TWR) class of engine. How expensive and time consuming would it be to have two companies/teams work on the kaveri? Gtre/snecma and HAL/GE(maybe) ? Th...

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An important milestone.

Mars orbiter mission completed a 1000 days in martian orbit today.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/wap.busine ... 587_1.html

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Indranil wrote:
ramana wrote:Details of PROSPINA test

https://twitter.com/ramana_brf/status/8 ... 1775973376
Excellent development. But I hate the name Prospina

Sounds like a distant cousin of rodina !

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HAL is more likely to develop that engine for a UCAV than Jaguar. The timeline is not realistic. They want to power trainers with it. Will have to wait and see if an up-rated version goes on the Hawks. This is great news. Wondering if HAL should be given access to Kaveri for a Kaveri ex, independen...

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brar_w wrote:It also remains a fantasy.

A Jingo can dream

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Acquiring SAAB makes so much more sense than going in for Gripen !

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And on a lighter note, folks.... https://www.dawn.com/news/1339297/khawaja-asif-takes-flak-for-calling-firdous-ashiq-awan-ptis-newly-acquired-dumper Looks like a mohtorma might have done "things" to Khawaja Asif as a kid. All these utterances could be a reaction to repressed memories of h...

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shock: Lol. None of your flights of fancy spreadsheet rockets solved for where the stages would land. When the idiocity is pointed out, you engage in classic obfuscation and your ridiculous qna. I recall your posts on vix and how you in your God complex mode pompuosly made a statement on the market...

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You apprantely have no clue where the first and second stages of the GSLV mk2 and mk3 end up landing. Then you engage in eye ball mk1 calculation of distance of where it might land,seen from Chennai,hence not far. Compare this to the direct quote that I posted of S.Ramakrishnan who is ex director o...

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I am really really really worried about the future of Pakistan due to CPEC. This means not just economic and political slavery, but also slavery in every way possible. Worse, this proselytation by the Chinese is only going to increase! Pakistan will probably get converted relentlessly. Imagine the ...

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I don't know what some people were whining about constraints that ISRO faces about where the first stage lands. There was a photograph on this thread about 1st stage separation taken from Chennai, so how far downrange will that first stage crash into the sea if that stage separation event was photo...

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Thanks for posting the link. It does mention that inspite of the problems with a few clocks, operational service has not been hit due to quad redundancy. None of their sats have more than 2 clocks hit. However considering that we have only triple redundancy and that one of our satellites already nee...

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If I'm not wrong ISRO bought those Atomic Clocks from some British company. Provided the deep level of "khujli"of masa & brit$hits, is there any chance of sabotage by deep state ??? :roll: :?: All the clocks were bought from SpectraTime, a Swiss company. Same clocks are also used in t...

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