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by rohitvats
10 Jun 2019 21:29
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

I'm posting content from my Tweets on NASAM-2 purchase. It baffles me, to say the least. Link to Tweet (it has pictures as well): https://twitter.com/KesariDhwaj/status/1138105674779389952 (1) Thoughts on NASAM missile system is this thread: NASAM initially stood for Norwegian Advanced Surface to Ai...
by rohitvats
28 May 2019 11:50
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Karan - With seeker, Akash 1S moves from Command Guidance to SARH mode, right? Or, is this new active seeker we're talking about here? Thanks.
by rohitvats
19 May 2019 14:18
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Well, if its six batteries, than the DRDO poster is wrong. Troop and batteries are not interchangeable terms.
by rohitvats
19 May 2019 11:05
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Replies: 4036
Views: 676114

Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

First, if AFSOD is to work on similar lines as JSOC, both Indian Army and Indian Navy will have to create another set of special forces on lines of Delta and ST6. The business of having a single Tier 1 SF unit under AFSOD, with combined manpower from all three services, seems a bit stretched for me....
by rohitvats
19 May 2019 10:53
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

My comments in color. Rohit - three quick notes: 1. An old R&DE article clearly mentions Army has 24 launchers per regiment, IMHO that rules out the 2x troops per battery possibility [ AD artillery generally has 24 units in each regiment. For example, L-70 Regiment has 04 batteries of 6 guns eac...
by rohitvats
19 May 2019 10:43
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Karan - We need to understand the nomenclature the way army uses it. For example: (1) Artillery: Troops ----> Battery--->Regiment (2) Armored: Troops --->Squadron---->Regiment (3) Infantry: Section ----> Platoon--->Company--->Battalion This organizational structure has impact on employment and usage...
by rohitvats
18 May 2019 17:02
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

I'm sure of the 6 batteries, 12 troops part.
by rohitvats
18 May 2019 16:01
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Discussion on Indian Special Forces
Replies: 4036
Views: 676114

Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

The SOD is not SOCOM. Its our JSOC - i.e a Tier 1 Counter Terrorism Unit. Current SOF structures will remain and they are providing the initial feeding stock to the SOD. Basis the information available so far, AFSOD is actually more like SOCOM than JSOC. Even under SOCOM, each organization has its ...
by rohitvats
18 May 2019 15:45
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Are you sure IA did not purchase 3D CAR at Troop level? Because there is this bit of intriguing information. https://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2011/12/happy-hours-2500-missiles-112-launchers.html HAPPY HOURS: 2,500 missiles, 112 launchers, 28 MPARs & 100 3-D CARs | Massive Akash SAM system orders ...
by rohitvats
18 May 2019 15:26
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

So, I was reading-up on the capabilities of Korean K-30 Biho, Tugushka and Pantsir systems to under why IA went with the first one and rejected the Russian products. Especially, when on paper, the Russians systems appear far more capable and versatile. However, the capability needs to be seen from u...
by rohitvats
18 May 2019 14:46
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Two things are wrong above - no of batteries are 06, so total number of troops are 12. And it shows 3D-CAR at Troop level, which is not the case. However, as I said, I won't be surprised if there are 2 x 3D-CAR to have two independent sub-groups with 2 x Batteries (04 Troops) each. **Correction made...
by rohitvats
18 May 2019 14:32
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

I'd be glad to be proved wrong on this Tungushka issue but whatever evidence I've seen, speaks otherwise: (1) Inducted in 1996, White Tiger of Rewa (formation sigh of 31st Armored Division), 334 TAC Number https://i.imgur.com/qwbdiPB.jpg (2) Same as above but inducted in 1999: https://i.imgur.com/ey...
by rohitvats
18 May 2019 14:14
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Karan M - (1) IAF AD Assets: - The IAF AD assets are organized primarily around the Base Defense Zone (BDZ) concept. So, you've SA-3 as the main SAM, followed by SA-10 and MANPADS. SPYDER has now been added to the matrix, to be followed by QRSAM. *** One more point, the concept of BDZ has mentioned ...
by rohitvats
17 May 2019 19:08
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Some pointers on Indian AD assets. Plus, correction on some points mentioned by Karan M earlier: (1) Most numerous AD missile assets are with IAF. Of these, SA-3 are used for AD of IAF bases and important cities. Other short-range SAMs are used for Vulnerable Areas/Vulnerable Points. (2) Indian Army...
by rohitvats
16 May 2019 13:38
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Military Helicopters
Replies: 4046
Views: 625804

Re: Indian Military Helicopters

A great article by a former Helicopter Test Pilot from IN. https://www.thequint.com/voices/opinion/indian-air-force-apache-attack-helicopters-true-guardians-indigenous-weaponry The Apaches come as a vital shot in the arm for attack helicopter capability, that has been greatly diminished over years. ...
by rohitvats
15 May 2019 18:08
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016
Replies: 3834
Views: 695031

Re: China Military Watch - Sept' 2016

Indian Army has two amphibious brigades in its order of battle. While one is dedicated to A&N, other is more of a reserve, to be used as desired. Exercises with Indian Navy in TROPEX exercise. If we're to be serious player in IOR, and also give teeth for operations against Pakistan, such LPDs, w...
by rohitvats
15 May 2019 15:04
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

https://defence-blog.com/army/russia-looking-for-replacement-for-troubled-pantsir-air-defense-system.html Russia looking for replacement for “troubled” Pantsir air defense system And the Russians were complaining against Indian Army's decision to go for the South Korean K-30 BIHO Gun/Missile Self P...
by rohitvats
13 May 2019 21:24
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

BTW - where can I read more about Shilka upgrade and what all it involves? Thanks.
by rohitvats
13 May 2019 21:16
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

This is what Wikipedia says about the radar on K-30: The TPS-830K radar of K30 is an X-band (8 to 12.5 GHz) surveillance and fire-control pulse-Doppler radar, specialized for use against low-flying aircraft. Its features include real-time early warning, multiple target detection, an integral L-band ...
by rohitvats
13 May 2019 16:23
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014
Replies: 3815
Views: 528985

Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Yes, about 90 odd Shilkas (I think we imported 100) have been put up for update. 48 were done some years back and I think, balance lot is also completed. The number of these South Korean gun/missile AD systems exactly matches the number of Shikla we have. So, one might consider them as 1-on-1 replac...
by rohitvats
13 May 2019 12:29
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

I get really depressed by news of this kind, tech wise, these are low hanging fruits that are well within our capabilities. On the contrary, I don't think it is a low hanging fruit. The system is more than twin 30mm guns mounted on a tracked chassis. Key is the small radar which does both - surveil...
by rohitvats
12 May 2019 12:07
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014
Replies: 3815
Views: 528985

Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

^^^The fact that we did not go beyond one regiment of Tungushka should tell you something.
by rohitvats
11 May 2019 23:21
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Military Helicopters
Replies: 4046
Views: 625804

Re: Indian Military Helicopters

The Mi-24/35 Squadrons of IAF are/were based in Pathankot and Suratgarh. Both understandable locations - Pathankot was action in the sensitive Gurdaspur - Pathankot - Sambha - Jammu - Akhnoor belt. Here, the Akbar's would face-off against the Pakistan Army Mangla based 1 Corps or Army Reserve North,...
by rohitvats
11 May 2019 23:04
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India Border Watch: Security and Operations
Replies: 3206
Views: 467162

Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

The bit about SSG is interesting. By itself, presence or absence of Special Forces means nothing in overall scheme of things when it comes what is happening on LOC. IMO, we should look at this SSG bit in terms of Border Action Teams (BAT) - which we know are composed of a mix of SSG and specially tr...
by rohitvats
10 May 2019 15:39
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion
Replies: 82
Views: 20131

Re: Armoured Vehicles: News & Discussion

All those tanks pics are from north Sikkim. IA had set-up an armored brigade there to counter the Chinese aggression in northernmost part of Sikkim. That part is an extension of Tibetan Plateau and flat as a pancake. Those interested can explore the general area around these coordinates: 28°03'16.7&...
by rohitvats
10 May 2019 15:36
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4828
Views: 645881

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Time to lock thread ? Don't think so. The topic is witnessing new information coming out of late. In addition to that, this thread is also a good compendium of 'counter-narrative' being peddled. To question the IAF and by extension, the present government. Let it remain but keep the discussion focu...
by rohitvats
07 May 2019 18:10
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4828
Views: 645881

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

Foxbat is beyond AIM120 reach? Boom over Pindi was when PAF was impotent wrt Foxbat. What kind of AEW and radar support did the US and it's allies have over Iraqi airspace to be able to shoot down that foxbat? Does TSP enjoy that kind of overwhelming sensor superiority over the IAF? Iraqi Air Force...
by rohitvats
05 May 2019 21:08
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4828
Views: 645881

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

I don't know how many of you've read this interview of Air Marshal Sumit Mukerji who's an ex-Mig-25 pilot and seems to have quite a lot of flying on it. https://hushkit.net/2018/12/12/loneliness-at-mach-3-interview-with-a-mig-25-foxbat-pilot/ Do read. In fact, do read other interviews of pilots from...
by rohitvats
23 Apr 2019 11:00
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014
Replies: 3815
Views: 528985

Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

This is an important development. https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/india-completes-vital-ladakh-road/762332.html From the article: The 255-km Darbuk-Shayok-Daulat Beg Oldie (DS-DBO) section of the road between Leh and Karakoram Pass has been completed, sources said. Some 37 bridges have been...
by rohitvats
21 Apr 2019 12:42
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Adding more details about Spike SR from another article: https://www.defensenews.com/air/2016/06/14/rafael-concludes-first-exports-of-shoulder-fired-anti-tank-missile/ Known in Hebrew as TACT — an acronym that translates into Short Range Personal Missile — Spike SR is can be equipped with two warhea...
by rohitvats
21 Apr 2019 12:35
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018
Replies: 1278
Views: 293537

Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

For what its worth, Sanjay Badri Maharaj on Twitter had said that this order was for SPIKE - Short Range, most probably for special forces. Wikipedia description of the Spike-SR tells me that it is to give 'guided' option to troops who've been using Carl Gustav rocket-launcher. Also, it does not see...
by rohitvats
21 Apr 2019 12:12
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 3040
Views: 415353

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

We Indians tend to be masters at self-flagellation while making our adversaries appear as Supermen! The tweet exchange posted above, and I'm also tagged on one set, is a clear example. The randi-rona is quite nauseating. We're supposedly doing a critical analysis in the tweets mentioned earlier (one...
by rohitvats
19 Apr 2019 13:12
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 3040
Views: 415353

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

The crash site in AM Chopra's map is incorrect. This is because Nowshera has been marked wrong on the map. It is south of the location shown on the map.
by rohitvats
17 Apr 2019 22:20
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 3040
Views: 415353

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Karan - I agree with some points but disagree on the overall narrative. The aerial battle needs to be analyzed by looking at the time-line and how it evolved. We're looking at it in a linear fashion now. While it was a mix of multiple parallel stories. This is what made the whole operation so comple...
by rohitvats
16 Apr 2019 22:33
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 3040
Views: 415353

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

I don't know whether this data-point had already been factored in about the surprise factor behind Mi-21 Bisons but here goes: - The AF Base in Badgam, Srinagar is at an altitude of ~5,000 feet and some change. - Pir Panjal Range, which run from North-West to South-East direction, lies due west of t...
by rohitvats
14 Apr 2019 23:18
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 3040
Views: 415353

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Let me give an example. In case of IAF, since we intent to provide air defense cover across maximum space, we've air-bases which are spread like beads of a necklace, generally separated by ~200 km distance. Barmer, Jaisalmer, Phalodi, Nal (Bikaner), Suratgarh, Bhisiana etc. This is legacy of short-r...
by rohitvats
14 Apr 2019 22:19
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 3040
Views: 415353

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Both points are right. (a) Geography is a strength because of the compact/limited nature of area which needs to be defended. PAF can easily move back-and-forth between forward and main bases (which are better defended), rather than have to deploy assets in permanently in a piecemeal manner. Also, wi...
by rohitvats
14 Apr 2019 21:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 3040
Views: 415353

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

When we discuss IAF versus PAF in terms of numbers, the basic numbers don't give the correct picture. Because even with reduced squadron strength, IAF can create massively disproportionate force ration in almost all their strike packages into Pakistan. Consider this - More than 50% of PAF strength c...
by rohitvats
12 Apr 2019 12:46
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 3040
Views: 415353

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

^^^Read the last part - the question which I've asked.
by rohitvats
12 Apr 2019 12:46
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion
Replies: 272
Views: 64689

Re: Artillery Corps: News & Discussion

Long time back, when I wrote two detailed assessments of Artillery Divisions in the Indian Army, I had mentioned the term 'Maneuver by Fire'. This is something I had learned after reading Soviet Doctrine on Deep Battle. http://vatsrohit.blogspot.com/2012/12/artillery-divisions-in-indian-army.html He...

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