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by Lalmohan
22 Apr 2019 23:21
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

so tail is separate to the body and has landed at a different location (not on slope, different colour grass, location of house...) the tail fin is also not intact - has broken into pieces port wing has taken brunt of crash and nose has had a softer landing so if the video is believable, then the mi...
by Lalmohan
22 Apr 2019 21:27
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

arvin - titanium is used very sparingly, especially in a general workhorse like the 21 - so stabilisers will be Al as well
by Lalmohan
22 Apr 2019 21:26
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

thanks Rishi v helpful, the rear/tail has indeed sheared off and fallen at a different place to the fuselage. the missile may have created major structural weaknesses in the rear of the aircraft, which in the case of a flat spin coming down possibly led to the weakened tail shearing off (and missing...
by Lalmohan
22 Apr 2019 20:23
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

actually rishi - the image i recall (and maybe wrong) was from the angle of brown shalwar abdul

might be useful if someone gathers all the images together so that we can try to build a composite 'picture' of the crash... lots of half pics at the moment with scope for errors
by Lalmohan
22 Apr 2019 20:16
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

so if say rudder controls were damaged and the plane went into a flat spin, it would not have travelled very far from the point where it was hit, and also then the directional alignment of the aircraft would be almost random
by Lalmohan
22 Apr 2019 19:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

thanks rishi the image i saw had the tail still with the fuselage but flopped over onto the side, so sheared off on ground impact not in the air, and the whole fin not a portion as here the pic above suggests damage to control mechanisms and possibly rear sections of engine by missile, and looks lik...
by Lalmohan
22 Apr 2019 17:52
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

concur with guptaji, the mig is point roughly SE pic is lateish afternoon - shadows are lengthening but light is still strong - maybe 3pm; sun is WSW and shadows are perpendicular to line of aircraft. the airframe is flattened but not smashed in a nose forward hit - so has crash-landed at 'relativel...
by Lalmohan
19 Apr 2019 02:44
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

sudeepj wrote: If the Mig was hit by an AMRAAM, you should expect to see it peppered with the shrapnel


there was a picture of the tail fin in exactly that condition...

on the other hand, the picture the IAF says is of F16 debris was a smallish piece of fuselage
by Lalmohan
18 Apr 2019 15:56
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
Replies: 2021
Views: 268265

Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

mmasand wrote:Should watch Sathnam Sangera's rage as he has very diplomatically captured it in his docu.


nicely done, he manages to keep the whole thing very dignified
by Lalmohan
17 Apr 2019 20:35
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Bakistan: Emirate of New-clear Inquilabi States-Bojitiv Newj
Replies: 1768
Views: 166613

Re: Bakistan: Emirate of New-clear Inquilabi States-Bojitiv Newj

LMU Exam Kveshchun for Todin In the Hanood Sitara soosai on another hanood sitara dhaaga, Mullah Dishoom-dishoom says ki one janaab hu ij kanadian, ij seeking a pakistani vija. Maulers are asked to kansider... 1. what ij a pakistani vija? 2. why wood a kanadian seek such a vija? 3. can one get a pa...
by Lalmohan
17 Apr 2019 15:37
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Singha wrote:Plausible theory sire


Rohitbabu zindabad!
by Lalmohan
16 Apr 2019 20:49
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India-EU News & Analysis
Replies: 1574
Views: 144452

Re: India-EU News & Analysis

it was the illuminati
by Lalmohan
16 Apr 2019 20:48
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

the yak droppings in the chaff bundle disorientated the pilots and caused spoofing signals in the radar tracks. what appears to be SE was actually NW and what appears to be NE was actually ENE
thats when the F16 pilots bailed out
by Lalmohan
16 Apr 2019 18:41
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

do you guys not actually read this thread? or just randomly drop in from time to time?
by Lalmohan
16 Apr 2019 16:01
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016
Replies: 2600
Views: 516505

Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

may not be entirely true. have heard anecdotally that we keep bare minimum spares inventory and our very low labour costs compared to the western countries offsets some of the economics. plus there is jugaaR onlee...
very low spares is a problem in war time
by Lalmohan
16 Apr 2019 13:49
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

the only thing that is still unclear for me is if abhi was targeted by 2 of the 3 ship he was chasing or from one of the 4 ship CAP original thinking was that the 3 ship was configured for ground attack so would likely not be the ones targeting him but they could have been 2 escorts for the strike b...
by Lalmohan
15 Apr 2019 22:02
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Bakistan: Emirate of New-clear Inquilabi States-Bojitiv Newj
Replies: 1768
Views: 166613

Re: Bakistan: Emirate of New-clear Inquilabi States-Bojitiv Newj

diyar veak_ass_ullah
where ejjackly haj thij ahmediya haath been ghusao'ed hain?
i hope ju were naat nanga at the time?!?
urs
lalpraf
by Lalmohan
15 Apr 2019 21:59
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

incidentally, pakistan also initially announced that it had struck 'non-military' targets in India, which considering they were on an IA base made it laughable; they wanted to major on the '2 jets shot down' story, until that unravelled fast what conversation would we be having if abhi had got home ...
by Lalmohan
14 Apr 2019 18:13
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Bakistan: Emirate of New-clear Inquilabi States-Bojitiv Newj
Replies: 1768
Views: 166613

Re: Bakistan: Emirate of New-clear Inquilabi States-Bojitiv Newj

Diyar Cheen mein Anand ullah
Eet eej juor fault! Iph ju hadnt shown them how to have anand in cheen then our khushboos would have still bren chaste and unsullied! Now they are chased and soiled! To make this better ju must give me juor remaining khushboos at once!
Lalpraf al angri
by Lalmohan
12 Apr 2019 19:58
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

There is NO puzzle as to why the IAF did not fire BVr missiles - the F16’s waggled their whangers and RAN AWAY, it made no sense to waste missiles on them with very low
probability of success

There is NO puzzle on ROE, it was due to the need for calibrated escalation in a volatile scenario
by Lalmohan
11 Apr 2019 03:28
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Escalation ladder is not a trivial topic of lets just give those goatbuggerers a bloody nose and be done with it... the escalation ladder in this case goes all the way to nuclear war - outside of nato/warsaw pact mutually assured destruction the theory is very shaky and untested and with jarnail al ...
by Lalmohan
10 Apr 2019 18:50
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538874

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

^^^ JF17 in a green on green incident
Unless it was a (JF17/J)-1
by Lalmohan
10 Apr 2019 18:46
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

You have to remember that the escalation ladder was experimental, India had to go up slowly since the pak potential reaction was unknown; it wasnt a simple case of who can fire what but... what is the right thing to do and contain the situation to acceptable limits
by Lalmohan
10 Apr 2019 01:08
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

The video of the two supposed hits on aircraft- i had noted a roughly one minute gap between hit one and two ... iaf statement seems to confirm timing... so thats the most authentic video we have
by Lalmohan
05 Apr 2019 14:14
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017
Replies: 2021
Views: 268265

Re: Indo-UK News & Discussions- June 2017

she was probably stressed out with work, clearly has an alcohol problem, probably spurned by her hindoo lover and generally feeling washed up and dried out and doing what drunks do best... would have woken up the next morning with no memory of the incident probably a restrain and tie would have help...
by Lalmohan
05 Apr 2019 14:08
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016
Replies: 2600
Views: 516505

Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

The youngest MiG-21bis is 32 years old. The bis production ended at HAL in 1987. Those MiG-21 squadrons that remained as bis were probably not worth upgrading. But the question remains, why are they still flying then? if they have airframe life left in them, they are fine to patrol the bangladesh a...
by Lalmohan
05 Apr 2019 13:42
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

Aditya G wrote:Does the US count all F-16s, including the older ones and ex-Jordan airframes? The strict monitoring was only for the new Block 52 units


they count everything in detail and monitor usage
by Lalmohan
05 Apr 2019 13:09
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Bakistan: Emirate of New-clear Inquilabi States-Bojitiv Newj
Replies: 1768
Views: 166613

Re: Bakistan: Emirate of New-clear Inquilabi States-Bojitiv Newj

that baqr is either getting faqr or about to be halaal'ed
as for the khushboo... what a lovely picture!
jurs
lalmullah
by Lalmohan
05 Apr 2019 13:06
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

anyway, my sources (nihariwala) tell me that the US count found a hanging chad
by Lalmohan
05 Apr 2019 02:42
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Bakistan: Emirate of New-clear Inquilabi States-Bojitiv Newj
Replies: 1768
Views: 166613

Re: Bakistan: Emirate of New-clear Inquilabi States-Bojitiv Newj

parthullah
ju must stone this plasbhemer!
suarly they do naat samajh the gh(l)ori aaf pakistan!!
lalmullah
by Lalmohan
05 Apr 2019 02:38
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

i reckon on an AN32, you can rig up a spare APU and generator circuit in the hold to get as much power as your little heart may desire for jammin'
by Lalmohan
04 Apr 2019 21:51
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Understanding the US - Again
Replies: 2634
Views: 259767

Re: Understanding the US - Again

she is clearly guilty of driving whilst being black...
by Lalmohan
04 Apr 2019 21:44
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

i am hoping that any rescue operation would have been in the shadow of the dance of the rambhas from above... a lone chopper going in would be highly vulnerable
by Lalmohan
04 Apr 2019 18:55
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

off the shelf (israeli maal) stand off jammers could be rack mounted in an An32/HS748/Saras... nothing too clever, just something to block out spectrum from afar

or something more specific built into a Su30 to go with some buddies on an eeriye hunt?
by Lalmohan
04 Apr 2019 18:05
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

more and more the logic towards a significant growler fleet becomes imperative
isnt one of the Su30 mission profiles/fit out a bit growlerish? (growler ka beta)
by Lalmohan
04 Apr 2019 13:34
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Bakistan: Emirate of New-clear Inquilabi States-Bojitiv Newj
Replies: 1768
Views: 166613

Re: Bakistan: Emirate of New-clear Inquilabi States-Bojitiv Newj

Diyar Nachiketullah ju pooCH several good pooCHes, eye gibh ju (mooh toR) jawabs 1. sharam ij in the eye of the beerholder, that ij bhy we do naat drink sharab 2. my khushboo and i are bhery bhery kelosely enjoyined than ju bhery maach 3. ju did naat read the kitab becoj ju bhere bhery bujjie bith k...
by Lalmohan
04 Apr 2019 03:54
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir
Replies: 2981
Views: 384388

Re: MiG-21 Bison shoots down F-16 in Kashmir

main kahoon to saala... character dheela hai...
by Lalmohan
04 Apr 2019 03:50
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Bakistan: Emirate of New-clear Inquilabi States-Bojitiv Newj
Replies: 1768
Views: 166613

Re: Bakistan: Emirate of New-clear Inquilabi States-Bojitiv Newj

diyar nachiketullah
that kitab is LMU approved
bhy phor ju aar shaawcked? hain?
urs
lalpraf al agha khan boardi

wait... isn't aga khan a damn yindian?!?!
by Lalmohan
03 Apr 2019 19:54
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion
Replies: 4416
Views: 538874

Re: Operation Balakot: News & Discussion

this was the banihal bomber ... GAURAV C SAWANT `A Muslim should live like Sultan Saladin Ayyubi (12th century Muslim military expedition hero who defeated Crusaders in a series of wars) Dignified life of few years is better than a jackal’s life of 100 years' Suicide note of the terrorist who chick...

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