Bharat Rakshak

S.Valkan

I am also one of the kind. I am a vegetarian bong :eek: . How is that one of a kind ? There are a substantial number Bengalis who are Gaudiya Vaishnavas ( a branch of which has gained ISKCON fame ). Although, one can argue that the even the most sublime Vaishnava Purana ( reverently called the Fift...

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SaiK wrote:Valkan,

what is cellular automaton?

Do you assume the existence of a grid, or not ?

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However all religions claim to answer a number of questions. Undoubtedly. However, there are two kinds of religions: Type 1 which says "Here, take this faith capsule, and be satisfied. Don't ask questions, or you will be impaled with toothpicks in Hell when you die, and we will disptach you th...

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I am not concerned with ban or no ban, but the bovine meat should be freely available in sanitised conditions. So the status-quo is not 'perfectly' acceptable. No other issues. Your concern is duly noted, and merits a response. The trouble in India is that meat packaging and processing is at its in...

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Acceptable to you perhaps, but certainly not to others. You are barking up the wrong tree. It is acceptable to a vast majority of the State subjects in areas where cow slaughter is banned, and that is precisely why the ban was instituted in the first place. And, in case you missed the point of 'acc...

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Looks like this forum has degenerated completely. The original distortion was caused by a post from Calvin stating - rather mischievously - the false claim that beef was banned in India, and that showed the intolerance of Hinduism, or non-recognition of the religious rights of minorities. Before Shi...

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This is the essence of what I was trying to convey earlier - which is that to a large number of people (likely, the majority of the people) there is no distinction between Dharma and Religion. And many of the arguments being made to generate popular support, are based on religion. No, Calvin. A few...

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Here is an argument:- "Brahman is Whole" needs proof, since its not "self-evident", that it -is a- "whole". hence, "Brahman is Whole" becomes axiom. Since existence of Brahman can't be proved and NOT self-evident, It is merely a THOUGHT. ? Obiously, you eithe...

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and Valkan, are you saying that scriptural interpretations that say you can't eat cows are wrong (from the Vedas that is), that there is not line specific lines like those posted by Calvin and that those are wrong translations? I am not concerned about interpretation. All I ask is a definitive scri...

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Apart from the obscene songs, what I found interesting about Bharani festival was the role of dalits in the whole festival. Dalits have the right to do the pooja in this temple during those days and they use alcohol, chicken and fish as the offering during the pooja. If I remember right, chickens a...

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Valkan - Falsely "Crying fire" in a theatre is different from falsely "crying fire" in a parking lot. This is simply because in the former, the people are led to believe that their *life* is at risk, and that they have to act immediately without thought . Suppose that I conditio...

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Methinks the above is i) based on an axiom of some sort, ii) but is not illogical. There's no way B knows what's inside of A. The ASSUMPTION of the existence of A by B in the first place is the problem. The Idealist School (Vijnanavada Buddhism ) says that such an axiom is not provable. But ANY pro...

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Insisting that you don't require axioms for a "logical" system is not going to fly. That's why I am not in the pipeline to publish a peer-reviewed thesis on it. As long as people understand the logic behind Vedanta, that's good enough in my worldview. The quote from alok_m is significant....

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What, pray tell, an axiom means? An axiom is an assumption you CONSIDER as true for the purpose of further analysis. It is NOT necessarily self-evident. May be A can't deny the subject in himself. But B can deny the subject in A. Illogical statement, as usual. The AXIOM ( unprovable ) in the above ...

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You believe you are being logical, when you are not. The difference the threat of "communal violence" and crying fire are well understood by anyone who thinks about it. Assertion is not logic. I asked you to demonstrate it, not by hiding behind what 'anyone who thinks' obfuscation. Why is...

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Your ideas of "logical" and "scientific" seem to be your own, not what is generally accepted. Good that you are now coming down to Argumentum Ad Verecundiam. I clearly stated at the outset, and I will repeat it again for your benefit : SCIENCE - as it CURRENTLY is - requires a s...

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Let me put it this way. If you haven't used "axioms" then your construction is not logical. Period. That's the most profoundly illogical axiom, ever.:lol: Existence of the Subject is an uncontradictable(self-evident) fact, and not an axiom. Otherwise WHO is positing the axioms/logical arg...

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Axioms are faith, whether presented without recourse to scripture or not. I am beginning to suspect that you don't read the posts, and simply respond in a knee-jerk fashion. I asked you to point out ANY axioms that I have used thus far. I state it once again,- I have used NONE. Zero. Zilch. Nada. S...

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Calvin, I was consciously trying to avoid this discussion with you, but you are drawing me into it. The quote I supplied from Brahma Vaivarta Purana was meant to illustrate WHAT influences many people in the Cow Belt to demand a ban on cow slaughter. Unlike the Judeo-Christian "bible", the...

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In the ultimate reality of Hindu thought, religion is totally pointless. While that appears to be a strength, it can also be called a weakness. So what are Hindus trying to protect? What is worth protecting? It is worth protecting the Hindu intellectual property that guides you to become a complete...

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There is no written law saying other faiths are wrong. There is no written law against beef eating - which I think got a big boost with Gandhi. (Not sure). As you know beef can be obtained perfectly legally in South India at least. Wrong train of thought from most forumites. Actually, some states d...

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Everyone here who is discussing religion is rooted in faith. Despite occasional claims, hinduism is not scientific. Everyone here has put his "faith" in some unscienfic axioms, whether arising in one's own mind or selected from hindu scriptures. The question of reason only arises in makin...

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If you are claiming real experience of non-duality, I will take it at face value. Ah! Is that how you accepted others' claims of 'real experience',- at face value ? You just substantiated Alok-ji's point about Rastafarians. Anyway, this 'real experience' is utter misconception. Why does one seek 'e...

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Are you claiming otherwise? You made an unqualified accusation. It must be based on presumption or foreknowledge. I was merely ascertaining the facts. Why are you quoting texts if you have real experience? If you have tasted mango, you aren't allowed to discuss the recipe for making Mango Lassi ?

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sivab wrote:You don't have real experience of what it is and neither do I.

Is that a belief or something you know for a fact ?

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in modern terms, the west does a good job of creating ivory towers for its thinkers ... in India, this tradition has been lost ... there is no state patronage because such things are viewed as "communal" or otherwise politicized ... Good point. who in a society like modern India has the t...

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From your responses to Vishy_mulay, I get the impression that you do not think it is necessary to read the original Sanskrit versions of the texts to understand these concepts, and that current English translations are good enough? Say you read "Etad Atmyam Idam Sarvam Tat Satyam Sa Atma Tat T...

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Lets agree to disagree on turiya. If you assert that you know everything there is to know about turiya, you are no different from EJ for me. No offence intended. The concept of Turiya is laid out beautifully in the 12th verse of the Mandukya Upanishad. If you or people you personally know attest to...

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how in essence would you differentiate between a Rishi type who claimed having seen things versus a Rastafarai dude who smoked something good and claimed having seen things ... This is the problem with Neo-Vedanta that is being peddled by the untrained people, along with other such nonsense like OM...

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It is said that in the fourth (turiya) state of realized sages, mind/maya doesn't exist, but everything is known. This knowing is universal conciousness and is referred to as realization. I see. Who said it ? :lol: And you believe it on 'faith', right ? So where does the mind go ? On a vacation to ...

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We must fix it, and we shall fix it. We are, slowly but surely, fixing it. That's the correct attitude. Clench your teeth in grim determination, and fix the damn thing. So there is no need for us to accept cr@p flung at us by them. We shall clean our own house, let them manage theirs. Throwing ston...

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[quote="Kakkaji"]That is why I laugh when TSJ goes on like a broken record on this thread about â€œDalits/ Tribals/ Untouchabilityâ€

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I want to change the textbook I am reading . Can I change it or Can I get political power so that I can change the textbook. What will I be called If I change my textbook? What does the textbook say that you don't hear from a Southern Baptist or Jehovah's Witness accosting you on the street ? I rea...

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Problem is no one ... bothered to teach me my linguistic heritage to cite the original. That's the crux of the issue - no-one bothers to teach the children the heritage, and then they complain about Leftists and Evanjihadis taking advantage of this lacuna. But - don't get me wrong - who taught you ...

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pradeepe wrote:Can the operative "know" mean "realization" (and its very likely I dont understand "realization" very well )

How will you "realize" something if your analytical process (thoughts) is not working ?

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SaiK wrote:how can one experience something whole, without thought. hence, i fail to understand timelessness.

I am not sure what your question is, or if you are correctly following the substance of the previous posts.

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Everything related to SD is put down. Does that mean there are no problems in SD? yes there are many and I will be first to accept it. But is everything about my heritage is wrong? Was there anything good about my heritage which will make me feel proud? And who is to blame for the success of this s...

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Is it not "timeless-ness" a "thought" process. ps: i am assuming "timeless-ness" is an invalid theory. The usual misconception. The concept is Tri-Kala Abadhitam ie. Uncontradicted in the three modes of time. In other words, Brahman is uncontradictable at any time,- in...

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He then makes a reference to pslam 46:10 - "Be still and know that I am GOD". What is the "I" referring to here. I'll let Rakesh answer the question about his scripture. However, if you think carefully, the operative clause is " know ". How do you know anything when yo...

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Ej threat is real but not as bad as what leftist have done or in process of doing it with young generations. You are directly contradicting Abhijit, who says 99% of Hindus are faithful, and will remain faithful. What are the leftists ( communists ) doing ? They are simply challenging the traditiona...

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