Bharat Rakshak

S.Valkan

Agreed that it is difficult to objectively measure happiness and I cannot supply proof, but would you not agree that there are swamijis/yogis who own nothing and are happy? I think a lot of confusion still persists on the question of Ananda, as also some claims regarding the "practical" m...

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If Valkan ji could explain ... the theory of creation then the whole discussion would fall in place. If you could clarify what you mean by the word 'creation' that you believe in, it would be of immense help. It would be even better, if you clarified whether you believe in creation 'ex nihilo' or s...

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I asked a simple question according to you what is God ? anyways I believe in God and the singular act of creation,but as usual I am open to discussion. :wink: As you can clearly see yourself, the question carries a lot of baggage. If you wish to discuss logically, first you have to posit your beli...

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Yes, there was nothing i.e. no MATERIAL cause. God said it and it was created . It did not exist before and it is not like he turned a switch on! Please re-read the above, especially "God said it, and it was created". Now, if there was NO MEDIUM (air) to transmit the sound, and NO SPACE o...

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Valkan ji would you please care to elaborate what do you mean by the term 'God' at least in the context of whatever you have posted. The "God" in quotes refer to the Judeo-Christian concept of an extra-cosmic entity that "created" this universe out of nothing. 1.Why did God crea...

S.Valkan

Well said. Is that similar to Exodus 3:14 "I AM THAT I AM" ? No. To a certain extent, Yah-Wah ( I am that I am ) is a statement that comes close to saying "I am unknowable", like the Kantian Noumenon. In Hinduism, "Tat Tvam Asi" is a statement of affirmation of identit...

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I don't see the logical reasoning behind God being present within urine, excreta, a bag of chips, a monitor, a pen, a car or a human being. SIGH! :roll: God certainly created urine & excreta, but He is not present in it. Does a shoe become part of a shoemaker, after it has been built? The shoe ...

S.Valkan

At the risk of sounding repetitively moronic, why does it matter that in your opinion millions of Hindus don't 'seem' to have any idea of what their religion is? Two reasons. 1) Gullible sections of Hindus are at the wrong end of the 'conversion' stick, and the conversion attempt(s) is(are) specifi...

S.Valkan

Alok_N wrote:
my 10 point program above is child's play compared to that mother of all debates ... I should have saved it ...

the *real* debate can only start when battlions start moving ...

Don't worry. I have no intention of an encore.

S.Valkan

It seems to me that you are unable to connect an intellectual description with a experiential one, and are limited to intellectual conception. I suggest you do some Tratak to gain insight. At any rate Gyan yog and Vedanta are incomplete philosophies, because they do not have a fully practical side ...

S.Valkan

This Dvaita vs Advitha and calling each other indefensible by the other has to end. You misunderstood the concept. If you are using scriptures, you can always find something that comes close to your position. Obviously, that doesn't help. In another venue, the discussion centered around what makes ...

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I think we need to set our mission objectives for this counter attack .. Why think of "counter attack" ? There are more interesting concepts to ponder about. Why is it that evanjihadis have failed to convert BR forumites posting here ? Why is it that an increasing number of affluent, educ...

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Is advata same as vedanta? (both look the same). Do you know that Jathedar (leader) of Sikhs (there are five Takhts and Akal Takht at Amritsar is supreme) goes by name "Joginder Singh Vedanti "., meaning he considers himself as a VEDANTI. What you have describe above is so close to Sikhi ...

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The festivals have been celebrated for millenia and people have never been in doubt about why we do it. We do it because that is our way of worship. There have been very few conversions from those who have celebrated these festivals 'faith'fully. Once again you missed the point. Those who have unfl...

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Let there be a million Navratris and Ganesh festivals and Diwalis and let no EJ or paki cast an evil eye upon the rapture (albeit nurtured by commerce) of Hindus in these festivals. You missed the point entirely. What is it that are you worshipping in Navratri, or Durga Puja or Deepavali ? It is no...

S.Valkan

Just curious Valkan, is there any mention of Vaikuntam in Advaitam? I am not sure what you mean by 'mention in Advaitam'. In Advaita, terms like Gokula and Vaikuntha are symbolic. They hold far greater significance for those that believe in a gradient in liberation like Salokya, Samipya, Sayujya etc.

S.Valkan

I don't understand the aspect of having a living guru or swami and making him holy. If you have been following the discussions here, the ultimate enlightenment in Hinduism is "I am God". I know your Christian faith won't let this "blasphemy" be acceptable for anyone except when ...

S.Valkan

But the level of weakness of Hinduism as a faith and the level of suicidal sidelining of their own way of life by Hindus cannot be examined without allowing a discussion of Hindus and Hinduism. You have touched two topics: 1) Level of weakness of Hinduism as a faith 2) level of suicidal sidelining ...

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Shiv is trying to bring it back to the original premise, i.e., is EJ a threat? True. But shiv also said: What needs protection? Who needs protection? Can you protect what has already been lost? When it appears that so many educated forum members do not seem to have a clue about the Hindu dharma the...

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however, through a series of steps too complicated to go into, but basically known as "spontaneous symmetry breaking", physical vacuum generates attributes, i.e., it gives masses to various particles ... Now that KKB is no longer here with his Holy Dosa quips, I think a fair discussion on...

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it may help you to picture an infinite circle ... if you start at zero, infinity will be the end of your journey, which brings you back to zero ... more on vacuum below ... An interesting anecdote on this from Srinivasa Ramanujan in terms of numbers: "Zero represents Absolute Reality. Infinity...

S.Valkan

When gold is broken down as far as we can take it , it does have a shape to it that is inherently its own. I'll give you a small hint. Is what you just linked "as far as you can take it" ? :lol: For starters, how about Beta and Gamma decays, or orbital excitations ? What happens when elec...

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Are not the concepts of Saguna and Nirguna Brahman mutually exclusive? No they are not. It seems either you glossed over the previous posts, or didn't make the best of it. If Brahman encompasses both gunas and the lack thereof , doesn't this logically mean Brahman possesses attributes? I suspect th...

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Prem wrote:Assumption that Saguna and Nirguna are different is not valid.

There is onlee one Supreme Reality

Correct.

And this is precisely what many people get confused about.

S.Valkan

The few followers of advaita whom I had met in the past were not too familiar with Bhagvatam That's always possible. But no need to generalize. Jnana doesn't preclude Bhakti. Let's take an example. Without fire, you can't cook rice. But you do not throw out the water from the vessel just because yo...

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uh oh ... it is deja vu all over again ... now aditya is going to get guruji's hammer for saying that bhagvata is not in line with advaita ... <ducking out> Not likely. :wink: Actually, I am tired of the ad nauseum misguiding charge that Advaita is the brainchild of Adi Shankara, and that it is &qu...

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Aditya Vikrams wrote:since Srimad Bhagtvam deals more with Bhakti and Devotinal service

At least you realise that Bhakti and "Devotional Service" isn't the end-all of Srimad Bhagavatm.

Have you wondered what Sri Krishna's teachings to Uddhava in Canto 11 constitute, if not Advaita ?

S.Valkan

Aditya Vikrams wrote:I doubt people who follow the advaita school of thought follow Srimad Bhagvatam.

Is that a statement of personal belief, or a provable conjecture ?

S.Valkan

[quote="Kumar"] An immediate problem with ananta=Ananda:

SaguNa Brahman = sat-chit-Ananda
If Ananda = ananta, meaning nothing can be beyond it, then what happens to the nirguNa Brahman which supposedly lies â€œbeyondâ€

S.Valkan

ananta (infinite/unlimited) is a necessary condition for Ananda (bliss) but not a sufficient one. Logically incorrect. When am I happy ? I am happy when I have no dearth of anything. Even the smallest limitation/dearth makes me unhappy. As soon as that limitation is removed ( i.e., I get/do what I ...

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Thanks for the offer, but I will keep my faith in Jesus Christ :) Not a problem. Since this was presumed to be a logical discourse, I merely suggested you apply logic to your arguments. That in my books is irrational belief. But I guess if you believe otherwise, then in your world it must be. In ca...

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Alokguru, it should be sat chit Anand ... Actually the words Anantam and Anandam are identical,- Anantam Eva Anandam. 'Unhappiness' is caused by some limitations imposed upon you. If only you were not limited by money and resources, you could obtain all the goodies that would make you happy. If onl...

S.Valkan

I don't want to preempt the answer from Valkan, but just wanted to caution that assuming you ask the question in all seriousness, please be prepared to debate the answer which initially may not be to your liking ... :wink: Please do the honours, Alok-ji. I think you can do a wonderful job on this o...

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what about the role of Buddha, Mahavir et al? It is a conjecture, but it also appears that they followed the same model,- contemplation using logic and intuitive grasping. Overall, however, their emphasis was more on ending the mental suffering of their fellow beings, rather than delve into the abs...

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And this is what the Great Rishis of the Vedas realized 5000+ years ago. as I recall, there is always the quibble about "realized" ... that word can mean: 1. "realized by countless debates and hammering out of truth" 2. "realized by meditating and having a visionary experie...

S.Valkan

Please elaborate. Those who want agynanam will sleep. This is better than going to any discourse. As you folks wish. I'll try a brief logical explanation WITHOUT the need to take recourse to scriptures. This may put some to sleep, drive some others to madness. So bear with me. What we are trying to...

S.Valkan

Could you elaborate more on 'Hindu' concept of God The Hindu concept of "God" is on a fundamentally different plane. It is the substratum of all existence, and non-different from all there is. There is a completely logical basis for this conception of "God", commonly referred to...

S.Valkan

At the end of the day every thing boils down to whether one believes in God or not,a believer would use logic and try to prove the formers existence and a non believer would use logic to examine 'God's' existence,wait... btw what do I mean by God I am myself confused. :-? . You are not alone,- most...

S.Valkan

TSJones wrote:Kinda gives it a whole new meaning doesn't it?

Not a new meaning.

It is the only relevant meaning.

One that has been known to the Hindoo pagans for thousands of years.

S.Valkan

dumb idols? Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it. Wonderful allegations! Heard this many times from the purveyors of a "living God" - the "i...

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