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- 09 Apr 2007 07:31
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
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enrages me; and it makes me feel like an outsider in my own land I think this is a problem with making simplistic analogies like rapist and the baby resulting from the rape. Since rape came in the context of destruction of hindu temples etc., I am curious if the same treatment can be extended to th...
- 08 Apr 2007 08:24
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- Topic: Religion Thread - 10
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- 08 Apr 2007 08:03
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Look how he takes the Christian Population of Travancore and divides it by the population of Kerala to yank out his perjentaje. Actually in 1931, most of the christian population of kerala was confined to Travancore state. Most of the christians in malabar migrated in the last 40-50 years from Trav...
- 08 Apr 2007 07:46
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 10
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- 08 Apr 2007 07:29
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 10
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Let me quote what prompted me to make that comment quote from Wiki) that there were 17 million Christians in Travancore in 1931. Now the pop of WHOLE of Kerala was 50 million in 1931. ... so that makes 34% Christians in Kerala? Heck.... even after steady growth rates down the years the Christians ar...
- 08 Apr 2007 05:35
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- Topic: Religion Thread - 10
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- 08 Apr 2007 05:16
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- Topic: Religion Thread - 10
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So what's your point Sajan? What are you trying to say? My responses are for AnandK who is blaming marxist historians/british/muslims for ills like caste system in his rather desparate attempt to absolve the travancore monarchy of the systemic casteism practised in the society. So my intention is t...
- 08 Apr 2007 03:08
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 10
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If AnandK is going to claim that KR Narayanan's case was an isolated incident, here is another example of Dr. palpu. Also it debunks the myth that Anand was trying to perpetrate here that casteism was even more severe under direct british rule compared to the meriful maharajs http://www.geocities.co...
- 08 Apr 2007 02:50
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 10
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yep. sajan has not answered my question. why does he hate hindus especially upper caste hindus so much? This reminds me of the antics used by folks like sadler in this forum - if you criticize israel, it becomes anti-semitism. Similarly, if you question the popular hagiography in this forum, it bec...
- 08 Apr 2007 01:53
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 10
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For all the rhetoric from Anand where he was fighting the wind-mills, he ignored the main points raised in my previous post. I didn't quote the kerala govt. website alone, I quoted an article from an extreme right-winger like Rajeev Srinivasan who had admitted that under the rule of Travancore kings...
- 06 Apr 2007 14:15
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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- 06 Apr 2007 14:12
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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- 06 Apr 2007 14:04
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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Nambudiris had tremendous power in Kerala till land reforms happened If that is the case, are you admitting that communists played as big a role as sri narayana guru in breaking the caste system and brhamin hegemony(through land reforms, incidently carried out by a kerala nambudiri, EMS). Instead y...
- 06 Apr 2007 13:55
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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I give two hoots about the technicalities of caste system. What matters to me is how it impacted real people and what they are doing/tried to do to throw that yoke away and how that is one of the main reasons for religious conversions in India. Ins spite of this Nambudiri power, if Sri Narayana Guru...
- 06 Apr 2007 13:42
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- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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The Malabar rebellion was not much different from what happened in Pakistan side during partition (though not to that scale). It is because of this reason Malappuram has such a huge muslim population. This communal war is written as social struggle of muslim peasants against Hindu landlords by comm...
- 06 Apr 2007 13:39
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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These are temporary phenomenon. These votes will go back once they resolve their issues and resentment against LDF grows. Not really. These trends have been there since parliament elections in '04 when LDF trouned UDF while congress staged a comeback all over india. Even after LDF came to power, de...
- 06 Apr 2007 13:20
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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- 06 Apr 2007 13:15
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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In Phule's worldview, ALL Brahmins where evil, cunning, parasites, his obsession with Brahmins made him unhinged Not really true, that is something that you trumped up just now. From the website that I had quoted Though the school had to be closed for sometime due to lack of funds, Jotirao re-opene...
- 06 Apr 2007 13:07
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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I don't know if he suffered from obsessive hatred, but as far as I can see, other than abusing Mahtma Phule, I haven't seen any objective analysis from you regarding what he wrote about Peshwas. As it is obvious from the link that I had posted here, Peshwas oppressed mahars, as well as other lower-c...
- 06 Apr 2007 12:48
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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As I had suspected, I am convinced about something by now about conversions and why people of this forum fear/protest against conversions so much. I think it is the same reason Maharaja of travancore feared conversions - it was going to force a change to the status quo. However, people like Mahatma ...
- 06 Apr 2007 12:39
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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His views on anything related to Brahmins has about the same credibility as Nazi views about Jews. Considering who the oppressor was in this case, you might want to liken it to Jewish view of Nazis :P You don't consider Mahatma Phule to be objective (and I am sure you might apply the same to Sri Na...
- 06 Apr 2007 12:09
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- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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- 06 Apr 2007 11:43
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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Sajan et al., Here is a take on the caste system from a blogger. http://www.maanojrakhit.com/9788189746_11_7.pdf Objectively look at what he has to say. Disgusting. I think it would be a comic relief to read that blog. :D I enjoyed the part that talks about how british created the caste system and ...
- 06 Apr 2007 11:23
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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http://vundru.blogspot.com/2005/11/dalit-battles.html After Shivaji's death in 1680, the Peshwa rulers oppressed the Mahars, making them hang a pot around their neck to spit and tie a broom around their waist to sweep away their 'impure' footsteps. This social oppression and exclusion led the Mahars...
- 06 Apr 2007 11:00
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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More on Mahatma Phule's opinion of the Peshwa rule - not as egalitarian as others would like to portray here http://www.mahatmaphule.com/jp1.html Readers will please recall the inhuman death, inflicted upon the valiant, famous Vithojirao Holkar, in the manner described above, in Poona (on 16th April...
- 06 Apr 2007 10:51
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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I think the hagiography about Maratha Kings proves Kosambi's point again Maratha Empire was the only Indian empire which didn't adhere to the caste system. Here, the Brahmins (Peshwe) were the prime ministers of the Kshatriya (Maratha) emperors and lower caste Shudras (Holkars) were the trusted gene...
- 06 Apr 2007 10:12
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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I found Kosambi's approach to history rather interesting because of my earlier exchange with AnandK regarding the travancore monarchy. I had stated at that time that lowercastes and minorities were discriminated in travancore and Anand was trying to counter that by trying to paint the monarchy in fa...
- 06 Apr 2007 09:41
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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- 06 Apr 2007 09:33
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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- 06 Apr 2007 09:07
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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- 06 Apr 2007 08:43
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 9
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From what I have seen, as individuals there is more dislike for Communists than for any other political movement. This is probably why the UDF had more KeralaCongress and IUML factions compared to the LDF I don't think this holds true anymore. Look at the results of last couple of elections and you...
- 03 Apr 2007 11:19
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 8
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- 03 Apr 2007 11:06
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 8
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- 03 Apr 2007 10:56
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- Topic: Religion Thread - 8
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This is the logic western countries use when they deny the rights of minority. I do not see why same logic cannot be used in India for the sake of communal harmony If I remember right, HAF (Hindu American Foundation) had successfully challenged display of 10 commandments in public places and won th...
- 03 Apr 2007 10:30
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 8
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- 03 Apr 2007 10:23
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion Thread - 8
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Indeed religion is a personal choice. Killing cows is not your religion is it? My religion abhors the killing of all animals, including cows. Why is your choice of killing cows being imposed upon me, flouting and insulting my religion? Should your choice be OK over my religion? Why not have my reli...
- 02 Apr 2007 11:22
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion thread - 7
- Replies: 371
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You don't support the Ten Commandments *being displayed*, but you have not stated whether you agree with those Ten commandments or not Religion is a strictly personal choice. As long as my choices are not imposed on others (which is what the display of 10 commandments does or banning the cow slaugh...
- 02 Apr 2007 11:16
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion thread - 7
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but lack of acknowledgement of the sentiment that cow slaughter is abhorrent to some should be a red line that is handled by beating the person who crosses it So are you advocating that anyone who doesn't acknowledge the sentiment regarding cow-slaughter in India should be beaten up ? Using the sam...
- 02 Apr 2007 09:58
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion thread - 7
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Islam says exactly that. When Muslims are in a majority sharia must come into play. When they are in a minority, the law of that land must be followed by Muslims, but they must continue to follow sharia within their family lives. I suppose you are wholly in agreement with that then I don't remember...
- 02 Apr 2007 09:52
- Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
- Topic: Religion thread - 7
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The bolded parts in your post that indicated ill treatment of cows do not gel with the defensive excuse you are making now. Does the bolded part that I quoted say anywhere that hindus mistreat the cow as Tilak claimed ? I think he jumped the gun when he saw that the article appeared in Pakistani da...