Bharat Rakshak

Digvijay - one final comment. its all very well of you to rant on about the glorious resistance of your clan against invaders (muslims). However, your 'clan' is not the only one and by far not the most successful at that endeavour. My money is on the Assamese, Manipuris and Oriyas as having kept th...

Digvijay, You continue to embarrass yourself on the forum. No. You and others by supporting the brass are embarassing yourselves. If after many mutilations this brass of Indian army could not even get a war crimes tibunal setup to corner pakis what good are you. We know this brass would not venture...

To say it is Saurav's father's perception is just a travesty. To say that IA top brass deliberately suppressed the truth about Kalia's capture, without a shred of proof is even more of a travesty. Anoop, You cannot selectively believe Major Haunted Eyes in one narrative and not the next. Page 97: -...

What are you talking about? It has nothing to do with religion or secular or anti-secular or the like. The man has a bee up his bonnet about his clan, and has pretty much made it clear that as far as he is concerned, only his clan (and some other suitably adorned martial races) opposed the islamist...

Digvijay the Hindu percentage thingy is beyond the scope of this forum - Please lets not go into this "if you do not agree with me you are a marxist jhollawallah theory". There are no absolutes ( guess which philosophy allows for this). I have always admired the bravery of our frontier st...

All, To say it is Saurav's father's perception is just a travesty. How can one be so illogical? We have two cases in front of us: Air Force and Army. Air Force handled it one way and suceeded. Army did'nt and failed. Why is it so hard for people to acknowledge that army's handling was incorrect? Unl...

"My Clan" Here we go again about the great warrior castes. Hmm - yes your clan sacrificed a lot but like you they went and fought to the death - letting the invaders win. On the other hand someone like Shivaji was smarter, as he retreated when required and kept harrying and hounding. Some...

Are you denying that Saurav Kalia was captured and tortured? No. Are you denying that our brass DID NOTHING to get him back? Yes. If you are claiming that they did nothing, the burden of proof rests with you. And remind us again why should we respect this brass ? For one, they didn't magically beco...

After we recovered Kalia and other jawans why was the issue of geneva convention violation not highlighted? Not highlighted? How did the issue come into public consciousness if it hadn't been highlighted? The brass certainly messed up in not informing Lt. Kalia's family, but the press had picked up...

Loose talk in Messes is not authentic as loose statement on a forum without proof. Srinjoy's quote on a diary being kept in which tiwari recorded the torture of his fellow Indians is authentic. What could the brass do to get anyone back when there is a war on? To begin with simple stuff really. Hig...

page 98:He had kept a diary and he wrote about Saurav Kalia and his five jawans sometimes, their screams ringing in his ears and also, wild laughter of the men who tore them apart. ---------- A perfect example of how selective quotations can be used to prove any point, depending on one's pet peeves...

page 98:He had kept a diary and he wrote about Saurav Kalia and his five jawans sometimes, their screams ringing in his ears and also, wild laughter of the men who tore them apart. ---------- A perfect example of how selective quotations can be used to prove any point, depending on one's pet peeves...

For the record I am not a Jat and No I do not write about Jats. And secondly Saurav belonged to the jat regiment. I thought it was common knowledge but perhaps I assumed too much. -Digvijay You may have to change your approach in you posts. It contains mostly divisive discussion and class room disc...

CPrakash wrote:

Digvijay wrote: I thought it was common knowledge but perhaps I assumed too much.

If you pepper your post with backhanded insults, you will end up getting more than that in return.

Please keep the wise cracks to yourself.

-Digvijay

You can start with Srinjoy's book. -Digvijay Can you quote what he wrote? page 97: 'The air force is so much better . . . they kicked up such a fuss, the Pakistanis were forced to send Nachiketa back. Why did'nt we do that? Why? This is something you must write about.' page 98: He had kept a diary ...

CPrakash wrote:

Digvijay wrote:
Nachiketa heard the screams of jat regiment soldiers being tortured. T

-Digvijay

Source please

You can start with Srinjoy's book.

-Digvijay

Ramana, What do you mean by this? -Digvijay Digvijay, You know what I mean quite well. In the sum total of your posts you always talk about jats and never about India or Bharat. Either in BRF or IF. While we think of Vasudev Kutumbam (Motto on Lok Sabha) you write only of Jat Kutumbam. This implies...

Final proof checking in process. Will be out of press by 1st week of Dec. I will let you know how you may get that online Sharmaji, Does our esteemed general touch upon the case of Saurav Kalia at all? Since you know him could you ask him to comment if he has'nt already done so? And you can also te...

ramana wrote:JCage, I wouldnt use such language to describe the fortunes of war.
Digvijay has not yet emerged from tribalism. He still goes on about jats while the forum is discussing about Bharat. So dil pe mat le yaar.
Thanks, ramana

Ramana,
What do you mean by this?

-Digvijay

Since you seem to know Khanna, Malik etc why was Saurav Kalia left to be tortured by Pakis? Nobody higher up knew what was happening to Kalia or that the patrol had gone missing. Please be aware of LRP procedure, long patrols take their time to return and there is an established chain of procedure....

well, I was helping khanna build his house whilst playing golf with dagar and showing his daughter around the discos of leh, however the more pertinent question is - what did they do after it became clear what was going on the issue is about threat identification and escalation, not what was happen...

well, I was helping khanna build his house whilst playing golf with dagar and showing his daughter around the discos of leh, however the more pertinent question is - what did they do after it became clear what was going on the issue is about threat identification and escalation, not what was happen...

Lalmohan wrote:Malik was on an official visit to Poland, a decision was made for him to continue whilst the field commanders continued to deal with the emerging scenario.

in a proper chain of command, that is perfectly reasonable

Lalmohan ,
Could you please elucidate what Khanna and Dagar were doing?

-Digvijay

Pak is fighting the proxy war in kashmir with a strategy where they make sure that the impression gets created "that the common man's uprising" is taking place in kashmir. And do read Musharraf's book where he says that his army was supporting jihad mongrels. These jihaad mongrels are not...

And do read Musharraf's book where he says that his army was supporting jihad mongrels. C'mon, you really dont believe everything Musharraf wrote in his book . do you? Ofcourse not. But there is definetely some truth in the book. Like which divisions were mobilised, when etc. And the line that take...

No. There were mercenaries who were promised lakhs if they died and ofcourse paki regulars. Proof? They were mostly Pak regulars which has been stated and shown time and again by the Army. Pak is fighting the proxy war in kashmir with a strategy where they make sure that the impression gets created...

Harry wrote:Wrong. They were all Pak Army regulars.

No. There were mercenaries who were promised lakhs if they died and ofcourse paki regulars.

Kinda feel sorry for those POWs. . I can share the story that Kunal once told me. Kunal was on the frontline during the fighting - and having spent time with the officers, jawans and other folks during those days he should know what he was talking about. He was given a call out of the blue one day ...

Good info. Since one has to assume that what you write above is well known to our forces... Yes, that's a pretty safe assumption, considering that all this information actually comes from Indian military sources as a result of their vast combat experience in mountain warfare. In particular the Karg...

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