Bharat Rakshak

Raymond

Sanku, you know what inspite of so many messages it seems that the point has not been put across.And it must be due to my fault for not puting the message appropriately or the fault of the recipient or both.In anycase its not worth the time and effort anymore.Also posting ten messages in ten minutes...

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Some report in some newspaper claiming that Army had some objection about some thing like some engine or something? This is debate? Sorry boss BRF had in past usually worked to much higher standards -- not any more I guess. Dont you show me the standards of BRF since you are using the same standard...

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extensive trials were for design validity of alllll the systems and techonoly and sub-systems.......... thay were not USER TRIALS........ user TRIALS can only happen on Production MBTs........ products not in PRODUCTION cant go for USER Trials Okay so please do the comparative user trials. I am als...

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thats also "CLASSIFIED" So you are telling me you have access to classified data?I would have believed you if I had known you personally.But I dont. yes they did clear trials but not the USER TRIALS The trials army carried out was for assesing maint issues.Not performance.OTOH the extensi...

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How do we know the generals have said so -- because Shukla writes so -- So given that this entire debate is only because Shukla said so -- you bet he has everything to do with it. Forget Shukla.There is some report in some newpaper claiming that.And all this discussion is based on those reported.An...

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No they do not say this Shukla says this. Do you really think that IA will approach the MoD with undefined criteira? They could always change the criteria according to their wish.Remember the changing of the GSQRs? Most extensive trials for what? A brand new tank? How many hours and tests have the ...

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benchmarks are thre but CLASSIFIED How do you know? they were prototypes only the XV no of them was cleared for production 8 yrs back But they still cleared the extensive trials. They better praise it they have been involved with gthe MBT from 3decades now So what if ther are involved?Atleast they ...

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Shukla's article is nonsense -- quoting unnamed sources he says the generals do not want Arjun; without any reasons? The generals should be asked why they dont want.What has got Shukla to do with it? What will the mythical "procurement brass" (BTW which division of army is the procurement...

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The significant points for me are: 1> they say they will not accept the Arjun unless it improves considerably. What benchmarks it must meet remain undefined. 2>15 Arjuns have already run 75,000 kilometers, and fired 10,000 rounds in the most extensive trials ever --- 3> Army soldiers from 43 Armoure...

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http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=9970 Posting in full: Ajai Shukla: Friendly fire damages the Arjun BROADSWORD Ajai Shukla / New Delhi April 22, 2008 The Arjun tank is in pitched battle even before fully entering service with the Indian Army. Ironically, the most hostile fire is...

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Absolutely!! The question is maintainability w.r.t. what specs? If its no specs then its high maintenance or low; if w.r.t. to spec then its either on mark or poor or better. And thats why the niggling doubts about sabotage when reliable systems begin to fail.Also remember that some of the systems ...

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Its possible was that he was told a certain reliablity criteria would be met by the designers compared to which he said very poor -- if the tank is per design "high maintenance" thats a different thing but if it turns out lower than what people were led to believe would be (by either the ...

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If the army officer who said these words knew how much strum and drang will be caused by the choice of his words -- he would be shocked to say the least. I dont think any one outside a bored typist would have ever heard him Anyway -- I think the running non stop might have created new issues not se...

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I dont get you; the issue here is not whether the tank can run for a minute or not; even the army does not say that. While we speculate what they actually meant; I see no coorelation between a overall great tank having few reliability issues in the first test of the sort. To quote Shukla: The ongoi...

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Raymond -- you do realize that AUCRT and the one-on-one trials that you are talking of have nothing to do with each other? Even even Arjun is a heavier tank and better armored (which it is) the question here is usage and reliability over a long period of operation and ease of use in operational mod...

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anyway we are down to disagreeing about the language of the report lets give it a break I dont think our exchange is meaningful any more -- at least not for me -- I am just repeating things now. We have already agreed on the main point IMHO -- lets wait and see. Ok fine. ----------------- Anyway to...

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Sanku,

[quote]â€œI think it is more a reflection of your biases on Army than Armies on Arjun.â€

Raymond

[quote]â€œThe last I checked IA was working with DRDO and still wanted 3500 Arjun's; reading the language one way or the other is a exercise which can be done ad infinitum with no value --.â€

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Where is gopal suri and FIDSN...some reports from that direction will be helpful to corroborate things.

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If the shells cannot be firing from T-90 or T-72, so what tank they were made for? I wonder. And if the shells could be fired from only T-72, why the army scrapped them? Is it stupid? According to reports,T-90s were supplied with Russian 125 mm rounds.[Donâ€™t know which round because the designati...

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Sanku[no need for the Sir when adressing me :) ] Sir; I would not read so much into it -- perhaps the Army guy was harsh -- but in my opinion extrapolating it to an extent is not correct. Well..suit yourself. In my opinion though the language has been made deliberately shrill with definite motives a...

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Scores arrested in India as torch relay ends The scaled-back 2.3-kilometre (1.5-mile) relay lasted little more than 30 minutes without any disruption. Relay participants were tightly marshalled by track-suited Chinese security guards, and allowed to run a few metres (yards) each. An estimated 16,00...

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Most probably a prank.

Just on 3rd April RIA NOVOSTI had posted this news report:

Russia to start flight tests of fifth-generation fighter in 2009

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Just as a FYI:
What is the deal with these pictures at defencetalk?Most of them are from BR and watermarked defence talk?Even I see some of Harry's pictures?Do they have permission?
http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/sho ... p/cat/3487

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So anybody here got any positive ID on the origins of Raad?

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Very nice pictures.
Lol..why is the picture with the Russian guys named warranty support?Are they for Smerch or what?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ4XzbBAI0s What's that @1.35 sec? Also shows SAM being fired. Tilak is right, it is the Tunguska-M1 system, the SAM is the 9M311-M1 missile. There is also a sam being fired at around 2:03 that is Osa AKM missile is 9M33M3. Added later:On second view..it shows the OSA...

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JC, well I wasnt actually trying to get all of that by 2010 and such specific timeframes because that approach doesnt serve much purpose. I was making an example case that even in 2020 those numbers will be valid for defending our northeast provided that the difference in numbers donot increase alar...

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Despite all the cr*p thats going around with the various acquisition programmes I think we are going along in the correct path atleast.About the airwar part I totally think we can totally dominate PLAAF offensive with 120-125 MKIs , 60-70 mrcas with awacs , EW assets ,refuellers and a good SAM netwo...

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Our military leaders have so many times tried to do this but again we are just too focussed on Porkis. Our army / air force chiefs have talked about "india is too big for us have to worry about Pakistan". George Fernandes said "China is our enemy number one". If someone by mista...

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Okay we donâ€™t have the exact location of newly constructed Chinese strips but I think its fair to assume that they are not that close to the border as ours. Raymond, with so many satellites in space, how come we will not know the exact location of new Chinese Strips? Lol, I should have been more ...

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Vivek K wrote:Guys, I'm thankful to Alok for putting China front and center. We need to to reduce the the focus on Pakistan and increase the focus on China instead.

I totally agree.We should get rid of the pak centric mentality or at least tone it down a little and adopt a broader perspective.

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Regarding the air war part:just my two cents. The war with China can be of two scenarios.From our viewpoint , defensive (China attacks AP) and offensive(Tibetan war of independence).IMHO while we are very capable of the defensive scenario but we are way behind in required capability in case of the o...

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JC, also consider whats on our side from where we can operate. http://www.scramble.nl/in.htm There are many reports of lizard building many strips on the Tibetan plateau itself.I didnt find them on maps.Unless it is superduper camouflaged/underground(which I doubt) they cannot be major ABs.To verify...

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For Chinese ABs click on PLAAF Orbat http://www.scramble.nl/cn.htm ------ Call it cliche call it bias but I believe one thing will clearly make a difference How can a Man die Better than facing Fearful Odds, For the Ashes of His Fathers and the Temples of His Gods, Okay now please continue with the ...

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Anti-tank gun seized in J&K Srinagar: An 82 mm anti-tank gun with an effective firing range of 500 metres was recovered on Thursday from a forest hideout in Kupwara district, in the first siezure of a heavy artillery weapon of this calibre in Jammu and Kashmir. â€” PTI ID the 82 mm 'gun'? :?: M...

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US soldiers shy from battle in Iraq By Dahr Jamail WATERTOWN, New York - Iraq war veterans now stationed at a base here in upstate New York say that morale among US soldiers in the country is so poor, many are simply parking their Humvees and pretending to be on patrol, a practice dubbed "sear...

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its a strange scale if the units are varying from start to end (eg. 800 m to 25 miles) but could be possible..what it does show is that the pulse doppler Ericsson PS-05 radar seems to be able to detect targets out to 60-75 miles (see the target outside the map) but track multiple targets for about ...

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i don't understand how the scale in the center image works, the scale range is from 25 to 600, what the hell does that mean? surely, the Gripen's radar isn't giving it tracks that far off (that too in miles)! Can any guru interpret those screens for us arm chair types. Jai, did the website have any...

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Excellent.Thanks for posting.Only one thing.Cant see the wingman.Or maybe they are too close to warrant another marker. Hmm..its in BVR mode.Also the scale in the central MFD is possibly in miles.If it is a realistic depiction,I guess you could get an idea about the engagement range with the Amraam....

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