Bharat Rakshak

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Sraj, Boss, the FMCT tamasha is one mighty fine piss process in the making. I don't think the sort of FMCT that we have said we will sign is going to come around any time soon. The GoI's position has been that India will only join a multilateral FMCT that among other things is internationally verifi...

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Shankar, More vacuous rhetoric and nonsense from you. It is you who has not made any points or justified your claims. Keep doing this and it is you who will have lost the argument irrespective of whatever language I choose use about your idiotic claims. You have claimed on more than one occasion tha...

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Shankar, From your reply to my post a couple of threads ago: Before you make such sweeping comments may be you should go into some more depth about our nuclear weapons program me and from where the fissile material for the bombs and missile warheads come Most of our weapons are based on plutonium or...

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Shankar, -it is irrelevant the objection was made and a turn around was made too without any change in the basic understanding that is putting 2/3 of our nuclear fissile material making capability under safeguard for perpetuity This is the second time that you have made this statement. You can not g...

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Tilak, Well, would people be comfortable with the word "EP" as in "Eveready Pussy" [ie. Billi chaap batteries] for people who are ~percieved to want the deal at any cost, then ?. Easy to brand... considering how vaguely/obliquely the words are being used. Name one person who has ...

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I almost missed this: An EB, a fan of Homer no less, just called KS a traitor in the previous thread.

Just for curiosity's sake, anyone remaining that hasn't been called a traitor or sellout yet?

As I have said once before, kaisee chutyagiri hai yeh?

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Joey,

S2 was the older device from the existing stockpile.

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Most of Arun Shourie's arguments stem from the Hyde Act.

He goes off the rails right there and then.

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Here is a mental exercise for people to do: (1) What sort of Indian nuclear force posture do you advocate? (2) Try to answer that question in two parts. The first part should be qualitative and then on the basis of that the second part should be quantitative. (3) When you answer the quantitative par...

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Ldev,

ACM Mehra and his successors were fully aware when weaponization first occurred via the air dropped route. Live drops of actual bombs (minus their nuclear fuel of course) were also practiced and carried out. The IAF was involved from the beginning.

WOP has the details.

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Calvin, In addition to what you said there is one more thing: Building bigger bombs beyond a certain point is not only useless but actually counterproductive. You are better off taking the extra fission and fusion fuel you need for the bigger bomb and using it to make more of the smaller ones. A lar...

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The same tenuous line of thinking will be the first one to call Medak all sorts of names when the IA's delivery schedule is stretched out and delayed as a result of diverting capacity to fulfill export orders.

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Arun, The Americans can not arbitrarily terminate the agreement for bogus reasons without paying a price for it. We can then start taking arbitrary "corrective measures" if they do something like that. As that term is not explained further we can use our imagination to impose punitive meas...

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A request:

Could people only quote the relevant parts of somebody else's post in their reply and not the whole thing with nested quotes and all.

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Samuel, I don't get your question. A fuel reserve is a fuel reserve. An empty box is just that, an empty box. And we aren't going to dump fuel on open ground are we? The size of the fuel reserve will increase every time we buy a foreign reactor or put a domestic one in the safeguarded list. As for t...

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Vsudhir, As an aside, perhaps now you can understand why I got irritated at the FBR question. I post crystal clear language from the DAE's website on how something is civilian or not is decided and yet a page or two of posts debating how something is civilian or not (including the FBRs) is decided. ...

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Samuel, Milind, I think the language is not ambiguous. Look at the exact words: It says India's reactors, i.e. reactors belonging to India which is what foreign reactors become once we pay for them. The language would be ambiguous if it said Indian reactors instead of India's reactors. And as far as...

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Samuel, The size of the fuel reserve is implicit in the phrase "supply over the lifetime of India's reactors". Specifying the size of the reserve to be X tons would be a stupid thing to do. And India's reactors includes foreign reactors that we buy. Once you buy a car, it becomes your car ...

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NRao,

Whats all this Indian text and American text that you keep talking about?

Its a bilateral agreement. There is just one text.

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The Hyde act does not apply to us. The 123 agreement does.

The Americans can try to pretend otherwise but that does not change this basic fact.

It is as simple as that.

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NRao, There you go again with your inexplicable fixation on the Hyde act. The GoI only has to fulfill those commitments that it agrees to a bilateral agreement like 123 and in return expect the Americans to only fulfill those commitments that they have likewise agreed to. If the Americans try to wea...

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ShauryaT, As Arun has pointed out and extensively tabulated, we do not need a FBR to generate weapons grade plutonium in how much ever quantity we could possibly need. The existing PHWRs are sufficient for that. It is useful in augmenting existing capacity but not critical. It is however uniquely us...

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Vsudhir, The GoI's policy on future nuclear facilities is spelled out in writing and is as crystal clear and unambiguous as it can be. It was made explicitly so from day one and has been reiterated since then whenever it has been asked about it. And as far as the differing statements go, could you p...

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Vsudhir, MKN gets asked this epcifically in the media breif. Note that MKN says FBR 'at the moment' is not under int'l obligations. Read his reply again and think about it for just a moment. The FBR program is entirely on the non-civilian side at the moment. In the future some parts of it, i.e. some...

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How many bloody times does someone have to keep repeating this:

The GoI will decide which future DAE facilities including future FBRs are civilian and which ones are not.

Why is it so hard for people to understand such a simple thing?

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Ananth, No country, not even the Russians, will consent to us using their material in an unsafeguarded facility, i.e. a non-civilian facility. What is the whole point of having a separation then? How do they know we are not using their stuff to make bums? So if you want to use foreign fuel in an AHW...

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Ramana, There is nothing mysterious in what the DAE can do to reactor grade plutonium with the FBR that has far reaching implication for our weapons program. The fast neutrons from the fissioning of the reactor grade plutonium in the core of the FBR are captured by U-238 in the breeding blankets to ...

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Ananth, Ldev, ShauryaT, You people are unnecessarily tying yourself into knots about what is safeguarded and what is not. Instead of thinking in terms of material, think in terms of facilities. We have declared a list of civilian and non-civilian facilities. And when new facilities are build, the Go...

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JCage, I highly doubt that the GoI is going to let private companies, Indian or foreign, operate any civilian power reactors any time soon. There are issues like insurance and accident liability that need to be worked out and this is easier said than done. Kgoan had talked about this a while ago. An...

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There we go again dredging up old issues that had been dealt with. The GoI and no one else will decide whether any future DAE facility will be on the civilian or military side. This includes reactors, reprocessing plants, fuel fabrication plants, etc. This is our determination to make and ours alone...

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Rakesh,

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/LAND-FORC ... Corps.html

Are you sure the 14 Corps badge shown is correct?

I am asking this because I recently saw a jeep in Jaipur with that badge on it.

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Vsudhir, The FMCT (no such thing as the FMCO) is going to turn out into another mighty fine piss process. Mark my words. There is no way that a FMCT acceptable to everyone can be arrived at. Because if that were to happen then the P-5 club and its attendant perks are effectively dissolved. That is w...

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Ldev, In that famous IE interview of his, AK stated that the fuel cycles of the strategic program and the FBR program were "linked" and that is why there was no question of putting the FBR program on the civilian side. The DAE has been running a FBR for about two decades now. Work on basic...

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NRao, The civil-military separation was always going to be a static one. The only point of contention was ensuring the perpetuity of the fuel supply for the civilian side. This much has been clear since the J18/M2 days. And I still do not understand this fixation on the Hyde act. The 123 agreement i...

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NRao, What we are giving up with this deal is the option to play the spoiler and throw a spanner into the GNEP framework that the Americans are going about creating. That is fine with me. As long as we are left alone and unhindered in pursuing our own independent energy plans which is what we get in...

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Milind,

There will be no retrospective safeguards on any reactors as far as its spent fuel is concerned.

Whatever spent fuel has been accumulated so far from unsafeguarded reactors will remain on the military side even if those reactors are to be under safeguards in the future.

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The status of RMP was made absolutely crystal clear a long time ago when Albright and Basu pulled that preposterous "separation plan" out of their musharaffs and were told to shove it back in.

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Dr. Gopalakrishnan is the one who is spinning things here.

RMP was and will remain on the military side. We can do whatever the bloody hell we please in there.

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NRao,

OK. Fair enough. Lets agree to disagree and move on.

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Arun, If the Americans renege on their commitments in the 123 agreement at a later date then for whatever reason then we do so likewise in a reciprocal manner. It is up to us to ensure that there are punitive measures available to us to dissuade such reneging. I can think of several at the moment: T...

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