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by harbans
17 Dec 2014 00:13
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

Another reason after reading some posts here why Hindu Nationalism is spoken in a pejorative sense is also those that some intrinsically accept Excluvist Doctrine as not being a threat to Native cultures for some reason. The reasons can be: 1. Ignorance of excluvist doctrine or 2. Assumption that mo...
by harbans
16 Dec 2014 16:58
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

Actually Rajesh Ji is right in the Neti Neti part. Hindus were originally defined as that group in the subcontinent that were not Christian, Jewish, Parsi. It clubbed all Non Abrahmics together. So while Christians and Muslims could be described as practioners of a well defined Faith, it was difficu...
by harbans
15 Dec 2014 01:10
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

Rajesh Ji, i am saying RSS isn't anything like the scummy Fascist organizations of the early 20th Century! They cannot be, its not in the DNA! And if they are not, then they shouldn't be keeping the superficial attributes about themselves. If they were like the Fascists they'd go to a village, line ...
by harbans
15 Dec 2014 00:22
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

There is one aspect that many identify with RW Hindutva baseness that has not been mentioned here. That of propensity towards the early to mid 20th century Fascist movements. There is both fact and fallacy in this judgement ironically. While movements like RSS were impressed with the 'discipline' an...
by harbans
10 Dec 2014 03:35
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

The Evolution vs Absolutism debate: This is a key concept to understand to differentiate our ethos vs the Abrahmic one. The concept of reincarnation of the soul to Judgement day. The stress our ethos we give to evolve from Tamas (darkness) to Light. While our Dharmic ethos stresses on the individual...
by harbans
09 Dec 2014 00:23
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

Actually the whole Dharmic: Abrahmic issue is about Evolution vs Absolutism. Dharmic stresses on evolution Tamas to Sattva and beyond. It underlines the process and means. Meditation, Yoga etc. Abrahmics stress on absolutism to achieve goals. Commandments, Thou do this and that etc. Most Indics incl...
by harbans
06 Dec 2014 01:28
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

Upholding Dharma isn't an abstract thing. Its about upholding certain ideal tenets/values/qualities. Its about understanding these ideals aren't achieved in an "Absolutist Jiffy" but in an endeavour to evolve towards them. The result is a State that upholds or attempts to uphold it or enco...
by harbans
03 Dec 2014 21:39
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

Spirituality in the Indic sense is that process which helps one evolve from Tamas to Sattva and ultimately beyond the Gunas. Gurus help in the process of "Self Evolvement". This Spiritual evolution is enhanced and encouraged by a Dharmic State whose rulers provide the necessary meta ethic ...
by harbans
03 Dec 2014 17:11
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-2014)
Replies: 3500
Views: 242344

Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

Bajwa ji, classic case where Sampradayic orthodoxy rules being attempted to be imposed on Governing meta ethic. Dharmic rule was supposed to circumvent this aspect. Islam meanwhile is a classic case where it's orthodoxy/rules are completely interwoven with the political fabric. Its almost impossible...
by harbans
02 Dec 2014 00:14
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-2014)
Replies: 3500
Views: 242344

Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

I think i read he is a "Dar" from WB not a Dhar Pandit from JKLPOKACSh (Jammu, KAshmir, Ladhak, Pak Occupied Kashmir,Aksai Chin, Shaksgham), but obviously converted to RoP!
by harbans
01 Dec 2014 16:52
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)
Replies: 10352
Views: 948852

Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

No, i wanted to post the link, but the forbes site was under hack attack by the SEA. What is interesting is mainstream experts like BC are starting to expound Indo-Tibet instead of Indo-China and realize that it was rank stupid of Sub Swamy and GoI to take credit for the route to KM/Shiv Bhoomi. I m...
by harbans
30 Nov 2014 15:00
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Internal Security Watch
Replies: 4027
Views: 322504

Re: Internal Security Watch

Was about to post the RSS cartoon that says it all, but see it's up already. Many of us have been warning about WB for years. The secular reaction to the upcoming mess is sweep things under carpet, appease and hope/wish. If it doesn't work equate RSS with IS kind of logic. It now should be more than...
by harbans
29 Nov 2014 22:05
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition
Replies: 2681
Views: 54288

Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

People who did these kind of Tamsic sacrifices were what foreigners labelled with some truth as "outcastes' of Hindu society. Shunned. Then at some point Hindu samaj claimed them and now they say hey how shameful this is part of Hinduism and hey why don't you put pressure on them to stop this (...
by harbans
29 Nov 2014 21:12
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition
Replies: 2681
Views: 54288

Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

^ This is the exact trap that terminology gets us into. Truth is the Temple in Gadhmai has only a stone for breaking of coconuts. Some 200 years ago an imprisoned feudal had a dream that his problems will be over if he sacrificed his cattle to the Goddess. He instructed that and it became a traditio...
by harbans
28 Nov 2014 20:40
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)
Replies: 10352
Views: 948852

Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Vijay/ Tuvaluan thanks for comments and pointing at 'experts' like Rajamohan. Large number of these 'experts' have been groomed with Nehruvian basics. They don't question Nehru's core vision and assumptions. Once you don't question Nehruvian assumptions like China was our neighbor for millenia, or W...
by harbans
28 Nov 2014 20:24
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-2014)
Replies: 3500
Views: 242344

Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

Before the toll for day befores bombings in Nigeria has settled here are 3 more at Friday prayers that start with a toll of 50:

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http://www.thedailystar.net/nigeria-unr ... many-52509
by harbans
26 Nov 2014 19:18
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)
Replies: 10352
Views: 948852

Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Settling a permanent Indo-China border will be the greatest/ biggest political and foreign policy blunder any Govt can make. THis blunder will be so big it will never be possible to recover ever. If Indian FP thinking is we recognize 1 China if China recognizes 1 India it is utterly Nehruvian, fooli...
by harbans
26 Nov 2014 00:12
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-2014)
Replies: 3500
Views: 242344

Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20

Female Suicide bombers kill 30 in Nigeria. The first set off her explosives and killed about three women, said Kalli. When others gathered around the scene, the second bomber screamed and blew herself up, killing about 30, he said. "I am right here at the scene and I have before me 11 corpses ....
by harbans
25 Nov 2014 21:04
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

The RSS has been previously banned for violence.


When was the RSS banned for "violence"?
by harbans
20 Nov 2014 21:31
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)
Replies: 10352
Views: 948852

Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

So Japan can stop funding construction because China considers ArP disputed. That is why i keep saying we have to make more areas disputed wrt Tibet. Start with KM and progress to the whole of Tibet. At least we can then loudly oppose any construction by China near our borders with Tibet. With such ...
by harbans
20 Nov 2014 00:59
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

Couple of questions harbans: 1. Is it a good model where every person aspires to be Sattvic? 2. If not how do you enforce peace and protection where there is a mix ? I didn't quite understand what could be wrong in encouraging people to be Sattvic? It is aspirational indeed. Everyone may not be Sat...
by harbans
20 Nov 2014 00:53
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct 2014
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Views: 66574

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 10 Oct

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/jun/10/race.topstories3 The document was written as an attempt to investigate why complaints of misconduct and corruption against Asian officers are 10 times higher than against their white colleagues. The main conclusions of the study, commissioned by the Director...
by harbans
19 Nov 2014 19:57
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

If one needs to comprehend how and why a Dharmic Rashtra may be the answer, one has to understand two important issues: 1. How a core doctrine affects a society that chooses it. 2. Evolution vs Absolutism The first in brief: Over the years i have seen many Indians hardly give a damn to doctrine. Eve...
by harbans
19 Nov 2014 00:54
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

Even Xtianity didn't evolve/ reform on its own. People who rejected the tenets made the evolution possible. And exactly who were the people who rejected the tenets and made revolution possible? Western Enlightenment philosophers like Voltaire, Schopenhauer who came into contact with the Vedic and Up...
by harbans
18 Nov 2014 15:56
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

Rajesh ji, good constructs once again. However what has happened is in the western concept of Rule/ Law based religion, by putting Dharma = Religion they equated the Meta Ethic system with Sampradayic mores. The mores became the governing meta ethic. Islam still harps on Sharia which is nothing but ...
by harbans
17 Nov 2014 22:37
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

It was insisted in Indian society from time memorial that the ruler be steeped in Dharmic ethic. Then only the rule of Dharma could be established. In modern times people have lots of questions and society is more complex. So if we say there is a Dharmic meta ethic we also must constitutionally lay ...
by harbans
17 Nov 2014 20:19
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

Just a week/10 days back Christians in Kenya burnt a 'witch'. And this was not the first time this happened this year. When the Brits were logging Sati cases in India in the 17/18th century, there were more witch burning cases in Europe than Sati cases logged in India. But how much did we hear about...
by harbans
17 Nov 2014 19:26
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

Peter: Its not HInduism that believes there is no single path, its the Dharmic meta ethic. Krishna stresses that too in the BG. But read the experiences of Rishis in the Upanishads for instance, the Sages who went to the forests, read Krishnas message of going to the forest meditating on a soft skin...
by harbans
17 Nov 2014 19:08
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

Every canon of Buddhism was propagated by Dharmic Brahmins. Every one of them. As have mentioned before the Dharmic Panths are all Sattva based and look down on Tamas and Rajas. The Dharmic meta ethic allows not just following established Moksha Marg panths but to establish new ones also. So if foll...
by harbans
16 Nov 2014 14:38
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

Rajesh ji, thanks. Adding further, one must realize than anything exotic, exceptional is added to the Hinduism banner. An example, a feudal businessman in Nepal sometime in the 18th century had a dream. He dreamt his business would grow if he slaughtered all the cattle in his farm. So he did it. He ...
by harbans
15 Nov 2014 22:02
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

Shiv ji, must say really excellent posts from you on this thread. One thing i have noticed for a long time. We Indics have this really great propensity to take to generalized attributes even to ourselves like the proverbial duck to water. That includes cliched rhetoric and over the years i have poin...
by harbans
14 Nov 2014 18:50
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sense?
Replies: 1267
Views: 25278

Re: Why is "Hindu Nationalism" spoken of in a pejorative sen

If one is looking why the "Hindu Nationalist" doesn't usually get good coverage refer to these points. It maybe one, two or a combination or all of them: 1. Failure to define in clear, simple unambiguous terms what Hindu really means. 2. Usage of rhetorical english. 3. People who struggle ...
by harbans
12 Nov 2014 00:22
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition
Replies: 2681
Views: 54288

Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Rajesh Ji, excellently phrased and thought out constructs. These discussions here need to evolve and we've come to at the minimum understanding that our Indic civilization has these basic constructs: 1. The concept of Dharma (much misunderstood, much misinterpreted today) 2. Our understanding or mis...
by harbans
25 Oct 2014 14:38
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India Media role in contempt and derision about India
Replies: 504
Views: 14787

Re: India Media role in contempt and derision about India

I post this article from DC: Bengaluru: If you’re hungry and a Dalit, don’t go to a temple to eat free prasadam, or you might get beaten to within an inch of your life! At least that’s what eight year old Santosh discovered when he went to Rudreshwara Swami Temple on Bazaar road in the city, where p...
by harbans
24 Oct 2014 02:07
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition
Replies: 2681
Views: 54288

Re: The Bharatiya - Identity, Vision, Agenda, Proposition

Posted this special message for Diwali: Diwali is the festival of lights and Bharat is a state of mind among people which spreads light, dispels darkness. An illumined mind is the abode of Maa Lakshmi. An illumined mind is the highest treasure for all humanity and I wish that we all attain higher st...
by harbans
18 Oct 2014 03:11
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Mangalyaan : ISRO's Mars Orbiter Mission
Replies: 2751
Views: 93122

Re: Mangalyaan : ISRO's Mars Orbiter Mission

^^ And that is the most amazingly "insignificant" pic of the Earth i have ever seen! :)
by harbans
18 Oct 2014 02:23
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Mangalyaan : ISRO's Mars Orbiter Mission
Replies: 2751
Views: 93122

Re: Mangalyaan : ISRO's Mars Orbiter Mission

That is one of the most beautiful Mars pics i have ever seen! Simply breathtakingly awesome!!!

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