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by gandharva
31 May 2017 20:37
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Is this near east Arab lands? The first genome data from ancient Egyptian mummies The study, published in Nature Communications, found that modern Egyptians share more ancestry with Sub-Saharan Africans than ancient Egyptians did, whereas ancient Egyptians were found to be most closely related to an...
by gandharva
30 May 2017 09:20
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5249
Views: 512829

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

This is a new paper published in MArch 2017. Genetic signals of Indo-European expansions Contrary to earlier studies [99, 100], recent analyses of Y-chromosome sequence data [55, 58, 94] suggest that haplogroup R1a expanded both west and east across Eurasia during the Late Neolithic/Bronze Age. R1a-...
by gandharva
28 May 2017 04:11
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Results Haplogroup U, with a founder age around 50 kya, is one of the oldest clades of macrohaplogroup R in western Asia. The main branches of U expanded in successive waves across West, Central and South Asia before the Last Glacial Maximum . All these dispersions had rather overlapping ranges. So...
by gandharva
16 May 2017 08:11
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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This latest paper. What do authors mean by the following line" "The results of our computer simulations are compared to recent genetic data so as to better correlate the migratory patterns of various populations; they suggest that the initial populations started to coalesce around 4,000 YB...
by gandharva
16 May 2017 02:30
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5249
Views: 512829

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ESHG 2017 abstracts The titles are already up but the abstracts will only be available this Saturday, May 13. The programme planner and abstract search engine are here. Below are links to a few random abstracts that caught my eye. To be brutally honest, I suspect that the Rai et al. presentation on ...
by gandharva
16 Nov 2016 05:38
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016
Replies: 2857
Views: 417892

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan- November 7, 2016

United Nation Rebuffs Pakistani Complaints United Nations unable to function in held Kashmir due to India's non-cooperation :( POSTED IN FULL! UNITED NATIONS: UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon on Friday regretted the fact that the United Nations Military Observer Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP...
by gandharva
06 Nov 2016 08:52
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Bakistan: Emirate of New-clear Inquilabi States-Bojitiv Newj
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Re: Bakistan: Emirate of New-clear Inquilabi States-Bojitiv Newj

vdutta wrote:Another Viral Indian Product in Pakistan, funny ad
Chora ganga kinare wala became chora lahore wala

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXJvAh3B9Xc

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Is Pikano a Baki company?
by gandharva
06 Nov 2016 05:07
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Replies: 2846
Views: 365838

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

Khalistan doesn't mean only gun toting terrorists of 80s. It's about supermacist mindset rooted in Tat-Khalsa of Kahn Singh Nabha etc under the guidence of Padre Macauliffe. On this criterion KC Singh is certainly a Khalistani and AAP is darling of such Sikhs/Punjabis. Another such Khalistani is jo...
by gandharva
05 Nov 2016 03:11
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016
Replies: 2846
Views: 365838

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-13 June,2016

by Chetak KC Singh is a khalistani stooge and has always advocated their line KC singh is Krishan Chander Singh and is a former IFS. so he is a typical Babu who are reluctant to move away from their center line. He is not a Khalistani what so ever at all ! Khalistan doesn't mean only gun toting ter...
by gandharva
25 Jun 2016 06:39
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5249
Views: 512829

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"Finally, the latest whole ancient genome studies indicated that both modern European and Indian populations (with a north-south gradient) are on an average closer to ancient steppe populations than they are to each other . This would mean that populations related to the ancient steppe populati...
by gandharva
08 Jun 2016 02:30
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5249
Views: 512829

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Indian genetic history in three simple graphs Enjoy, but please, those of you still sore about the passing of the Out of India, Out of Armenia, Out of Your Hat, or indeed, Out of Your Ass Indo-European hypotheses , try not to fill up the comments with the usual inane drivel. Thanks in advance for y...
by gandharva
05 Jun 2016 21:11
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 512829

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Link for pdf of the book by Jatindra Mohan Chaterjie. I downloaded all JPGs from that Avesta.org link and converted to pdf. :D https://www.dropbox.com/s/xh0mqaby120rdl6/Jatindra%20Mohan%20Chaterjie%202016-06-03.pdf?dl=0 Gandharva ji, I can not thank you enough. Thanks also to Shiv, AGupta and JE Me...
by gandharva
05 Jun 2016 07:17
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Link for pdf of the book by Jatindra Mohan Chaterjie. I downloaded all JPGs from that Avesta.org link and converted to pdf. :D

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rmZ ... k5fNzRYRkk

#Edited link for the reloaded pdf as earlier one had some pages missing and some out of order.
by gandharva
03 Jun 2016 02:33
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5249
Views: 512829

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Based on this paper, i came across an argument in favor of AIT from MT cult. It says though diversification of R1a-M420 was in vicinity of Iran around 5800 YBP, this doesnt mean invasion or entry of r1a in India. But jUST date of diversified. Invasion happened later around 1500 BC. http://www.nature...
by gandharva
02 Jun 2016 17:41
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5249
Views: 512829

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

How does this impact AIT? Isn't neolithic age 10K-2K BC is prior to Aryan invasion? :D Interestingly worded question. I do not believe that there was any invasion of Aryans carrying language to India around 1500 to 1000 BC, so I cannot accept that some event was "prior to Aryan invasion"....
by gandharva
02 Jun 2016 02:53
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 512829

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4709632/ Dissecting the influence of Neolithic demic diffusion on Indian Y-chromosome pool through J2-M172 haplogroup This is a 2016 paper. Abstract: The global distribution of J2-M172 sub-haplogroups has been associated with Neolithic demic diffusion. Tw...
by gandharva
30 May 2016 21:12
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5249
Views: 512829

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Independent Origins of Indian Caste and Tribal Paternal Lineages

http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abs ... all%3Dtrue


#JustForRecords (Link given by an MT follower).
by gandharva
21 May 2016 09:17
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Genetic and Cultural Reconstruction of the Migration of an Ancient Lineage http://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2015/651415/ "Our findings are consistent with the speculative possibility that mainstream orthodox Brahmins (Indra, Agni, and Soma) and LPK lineages (Mitra) correspond to these two c...
by gandharva
15 May 2016 06:40
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Is it possible for you to explain in a bit non techy language why the conclusions of two underhill papers are different? I'll try. I am writing this from memory so pardon me for any errors. First thing to understand is nature of the research in population genetics. Genes by themselves are real thin...
by gandharva
14 May 2016 04:04
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5249
Views: 512829

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Arguments of Hakim Saab and others now in a blog challenging MT's AIT thesis. https://vogonpoem.wordpress.com/2016/05/11/genetic-debunking-of-aryans-a-revisit/ Link is not working as it was removed to be republished on https://www.myind.net/. tomorrow. Here is the myind.net link. https://www.myind....
by gandharva
13 May 2016 22:22
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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MT says that he tweeted links to the new research superseding the results of Lucoute's paper ( http://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/the-major-ychromosome-haplotype-xi--haplogroup-r1a-in-eurasia-2161-1041-1000150.pdf ). http://i.imgur.com/tzhJjBU.jpg And these are the abv mentioned links (got from ...
by gandharva
13 May 2016 01:41
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

gandharva wrote:Arguments of Hakim Saab and others now in a blog challenging MT's AIT thesis.

https://vogonpoem.wordpress.com/2016/05 ... a-revisit/


Link is not working as it was removed to be republished on https://www.myind.net/. tomorrow.
by gandharva
12 May 2016 23:06
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Arguments of Hakim Saab and others now in a blog challenging MT's AIT thesis.

https://vogonpoem.wordpress.com/2016/05 ... a-revisit/
by gandharva
12 May 2016 21:49
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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I saw this figure in the following book on the page no 3 http://www.amazon.com/Human-Evolutionary-Genetics-Mark-Jobling/dp/0815341482 http://i.imgur.com/LTrIfZh.jpg Question to Genetics experts here: Can i site abv as an example of linguistic hold (that Hakim Saab and others mentioned in previous pa...
by gandharva
12 May 2016 20:02
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Are ANI & ASI defined based on autosomes or chromosomes? Is it possible to find composition of ANI & ASI in this tree ? http://i.imgur.com/79092TC.jpg No. This tree is for male sex chromosome (Y chromosome) only ANI and ASI are autosomes Human genome consists of 22 pairs (total 44) of chrom...
by gandharva
12 May 2016 10:51
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Neither ASI nor ANI appear in Europe, but it is the Y chromosome M 17 (and Z 93 IIRC) that appear in Europe. This shows male migration from India to Europe but no major migration either into or out of India. http://i.imgur.com/e75NxrU.jpg Can some one tell me where the r1a1a1a(Z280), r1a1a1b(Z93) a...
by gandharva
12 May 2016 03:44
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Shiv: quick question. A point that Kalavai Venkat raises is that, if ANI & ASI were admixed in India before OIT began, we should see some ASI-related genes in Central Asia and Europe. He claims we don't see it. Kalavai Venkat is a bullshitter who has not understood the point of definition of a ...
by gandharva
10 May 2016 18:31
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Here is a download link for the Poznik's paper. https://www.dropbox.com/s/dwi53z1yy3zmkrb/Nature%20Genetics%20Volume%20issue%202016%20%5Bdoi%2010.1038%252Fng.3559%5D%20Poznik%2C%20G%20David%3B%20Xue%2C%20Yali%3B%20Mendez%2C%20Fernando%20L%3B%20Willems%2C%20Thomas%20--%20Punctuated%20bursts%20in%20hu...
by gandharva
10 May 2016 16:54
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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associated by some with the historical migration of Indo-European speakers from the Western Steppe into the Indian subcontinent 27 . That ref 27. That is the key. It will (and I bet my right testimonial this time) a history book[ /quote] http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ng.3559.h...
by gandharva
10 May 2016 16:40
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Yes - I saw this. Was from a recent report. Great study! Just noticed that Kalavai Venkat (in response to FB posts) keeps referring to a new paper that he claims They show that the massive expansion of R1a happened in India coevally with that of R1b in Europe and both the Indian and the European R1...
by gandharva
10 May 2016 06:28
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Gandharva you need to look at every numbered reference to see where they got the information from. In your post the reference numbers quoted are: 39, 40, 41, 18, 19, 42 and 43. Let me post them. I have already posted 18 and 19 above Note that they are all history/archaeology papers/books. One is a ...
by gandharva
10 May 2016 06:01
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

RoyG wrote:As Shiv said,

It is a linguistic hold. Notice how your first quote doesn't cite any genetic data as backup.


Can u check your telegram messengers? :D
by gandharva
10 May 2016 05:59
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

I have a question abt Moorjani's paper. Here they say: likely first appearance of Indo-European languages and Vedic religion in the subcontinent[/b]. 18,19 So what caused that profound change? The way they are collating their genetic findings with evolution of Rigveda, it appears like an Aryan inva...
by gandharva
10 May 2016 05:38
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5249
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

I have a question abt Moorjani's paper. Here they say: "The dates we report have significant implications for Indian history in the sense that they document a period of demographic and cultural change in which mixture be- tween highly differentiated populations became pervasive before it eventu...

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