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by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:29
Forum: Trash Can Archive
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India Wraps Smerch Tests NEW DELHI - The Indian Army has received and begun inducting the 36 Russian-made Smerch Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) ordered in 2006 for $450 million. The Army wrapped up flight stability, accuracy and consistency tests last month at India's missile testing range at...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:28
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
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Actually, the current messy state with Pkiland, could be an excellent opportunity for the MoD to place emergency orders for arty guns, even if it has to be Bofors...(though seriously, Congress wont have the guts to go for Bofors, however meritorious the gun might be and however compelling the situa...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:27
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If this is true then it is very good news but I don't think that AK Antony has it in him to take "any" decision at all. IIRC M777 dropped out of the competition citing unrealistic specifications for ultra light guns. Bofors also failed tests of other versions of 155mm guns (as did all oth...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:25
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But rockets cannot replace guns. Only a sustained fire from multiple howitzers can clear entrenched enenmy in the mountains. Aditya, I am no expert on artillery but your statement led me to this question...wouldn't a MBRL be more effective in neutralizing/clearing enemy presence over a area (even e...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:23
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Indian Army to buy new artillery gun Twenty years after Bofors scandal, the Indian Army is looking to buy a new artillery gun. This was amongst the decisions taken at a meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council attended by Defence Minister AK Antony and the three service chiefs on Friday (December...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:22
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Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
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Aditya G wrote:But rockets cannot replace guns. Only a sustained fire from multiple howitzers can clear entrenched enenmy in the mountains.

Raj Malhotra wrote:During this time Smerch, upgraded Grad, Pinaka have been added which increase arti power
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:21
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Raj Malhotra wrote:During this time Smerch, upgraded Grad, Pinaka have been added which increase arti power
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:20
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Boforsphobia, red tender tape bind Army Indian Express Boforsphobia, red tender tape bind Army Manu Pubby Posted: Dec 18, 2008 at 0318 hrs IST New Delhi: In 1999, when a brief but bloody battle was being fought to evict Pakistani intruders from strategic heights along the Line of Control, one of th...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:17
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SaiK wrote:http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=10414

The 155 mm ERFB ammunition, developed for Bofors gun, is designed to achieve an extended range of 32 km, which is 25 per cent more than its normal range,"
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:15
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malushahi wrote:
I'm guessing he meant to say Bofors-BAE.
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:14
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Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
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soutikghosh wrote:
Rupesh wrote: [b]Bofors-UAE's continuous ongoing refurbishment of the Indian armed forces' http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-3611793,flstry-1.cms


What is Bofors-UAE ?
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:12
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4. Given the fact that G6 is completely mobile (unlike Bofors, which is partially mobile), they can travel along with a tank thrust into pakistan without slowing down the speed of the invasion. THIS IS WHAT SCARES THE PAKIS AND THEIR MASTERS IN WHITEHALL AND FOGGY BOTTOM. G6 is just a gun. It so ha...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:11
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Because Germans have become the beacon of humanity--they can't shake off their Nazi past that is still lingering in their Psyche. Their naivette has blinded the pragmatism. Germans think Pakistanis are struggling for survival against big bad India. There was a politician who once said, Kinder insta...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:09
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Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
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Seem like we are in some sort of competition with our western neighbour in conspiracy theories . A few more very naive observations : 1. 100 Gun concept was used by Russians from a defensive position ie to lure the german offensive thrust inside the killing zone and was not used in pre-emptive offe...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:08
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Does anybody know why the PzH 2000 was not in the race ? Because Germans have become the beacon of humanity--they can't shake off their Nazi past that is still lingering in their Psyche. Their naivette has blinded the pragmatism. Germans think Pakistanis are struggling for survival against big bad ...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:07
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Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
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Re: Indian Artillery

Mihir.D wrote:Does anybody know why the PzH 2000 was not in the race ?
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:06
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Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
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Bharadwaj, The MRCA deal is next in line. I hope to god that the Congress loses the next elections or we will be tied to American empire for the next generation. One does get the scary feeling that MRCA is just the start of this show with hercules/poseidon being something of a teaser. Tanks,guns et...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:05
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Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
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abhischekcc wrote:Philip, IIRC, IA is planning to purchase 2300 guns - 800 semi-SP and 1500 towed.

But they will not make up for the loss of the G6s.

India is just too full of Mir Jafars these days. One of them is the one who was 'honored' in Washington recently.
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:05
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
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Abc,that was a good point,the ability to strike,penetrate and surge into enemy territory rapidly,without resort to nukes of any kind.The key Q now is where is the IA going to get its firepower from.I really do not see why we cannot obtain more Bofors guns,as the co. is now a BAe asset.That should s...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:04
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Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
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Bharadwaj, The MRCA deal is next in line. I hope to god that the Congress loses the next elections or we will be tied to American empire for the next generation. I have been crying hoarse since several years that the Indian resource US is most interested in are the India Armed Forces - they need th...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:02
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Here are my views: 1. G6 deal was for 280 guns. Given that IA has "re-adopted" the 100-gun concept, and that s tandard military doctrine calls for 40% of the strike force to be kept as reserve, it means that a force for 140 guns (100+40) would be sufficient for one assault front. So 280 i...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:02
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Rahul M wrote:denel affair is almost proof of the clout of the russian lobby in Indian establishment.

the bhim would have been an excellent step forward for both army and desi RnD, not to mention it used the arjun chasis. perhaps that was also a factor.
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:00
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Rahul M and Abhischekcc et al, Regarding the deal with Denel, I was of the opinion that something very sinister was going on in the background. Though the Indian government canceled all dealings with Denel using the fig leaf of bribery in anti material rifles, something recently has come up that mi...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 16:00
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Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
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India had signed a contract for anti-material rifles with Denel before the G6 deal. After the G6 deal, a sh!t storm was raised about bribery in the anti-material rifles deal. This stroy first broke in a British newsagency (Guardian, I think). This was used as a pretence by the Indian bureaucracy fo...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 15:59
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Rahul M wrote:current woman affairs minister renuka chowdhury was instrumental in raising the hue and cry that led to cancellation of the denel deal.
Renuka lobbied for babus, Army officers against Denel

she had reportedly also lobbied for russian guns before this incident.

:roll:
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 15:58
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India had signed a contract for anti-material rifles with Denel before the G6 deal. After the G6 deal, a sh!t storm was raised about bribery in the anti-material rifles deal. This stroy first broke in a British newsagency (Guardian, I think). This was used as a pretence by the Indian bureaucracy fo...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 15:57
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Iam wrote:
abhischekcc wrote: We were going to use the G6s in an offensive thrust against pakistan - that's why the britishers sabotaged the deal.

more later.


I like to know about the above. How did we (british) sabotage the Indian Denel deal? This is new to me.
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 15:57
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I had presented a single sheet paper during the BRF bangalore meet on the same topic - the reason for the popularity of the 100 gun concept over the NATO 60-gun concept is the 'suction effect' - very effectively kills all oxygen breathing life in a given radius - best way to destroy enemies in hole...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 15:56
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Some time ago,I mentioned the article where the IA's firepower doctrine was to follow the Russian/Soviet "100 gun" system,where overwhelming firepower on the battlefield would sufficiently degrade the enemy's forces.We see here the hint of a layered system of artillery,from close ranges u...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 15:55
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Regarding Smerch MBRL in IA , need to keep in mind a few things b4 we consider the 'small number' being ordered : 1. IA initially ordered 39 or so launchers , making up 3 regiments ( 12 per regt.) and it was decided to use it as a Corps level weapon . 2. IA need to develop and find tune its arty. w...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 15:54
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Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
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Regarding Smerch MBRL in IA , need to keep in mind a few things b4 we consider the 'small number' being ordered : 1. IA initially ordered 39 or so launchers , making up 3 regiments ( 12 per regt.) and it was decided to use it as a Corps level weapon . 2. IA need to develop and find tune its arty. w...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 15:53
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Thats falling into the Pakistani syndrome-comparing with what we had before and thinking we'r much better off. We need to compare in terms of what others have acquired as well in that timeframe as well. We know that the Chinese have large quantities of MRLS-we know they will use them liberally if t...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 15:52
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... The point being that with a front a thousand kilometer long, that 80+ number of Smerch MRLs seem to be spread really low anyway. If in addition they take losses or require maintenance etc, you get to see how thinly spread they really are. ... -Vivek The border maybe 1000 kilometer long but not ...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 15:51
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Guys,we should not forget either 62 or 80 units will be procured in completely assembled condition.But there was also a media report saying that there will be Transfer of Technology so it definately we can manufacture them in India too as the same way as T-90. Pinaka MK-2 will definately come as th...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 15:50
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Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
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Here's some info on a new version of Pinaka MBRL: 214mm PINAKA MBRL That's the one I was talking about as the Mk-II version (with all the bells and whistles so to speak). According to the Army ORBAT page, there are around 150+ 122mm BM-21/LRAR. So you can do the math as to how many are required to ...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 15:49
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Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
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What's the cost of the Pinaka? Any estimates of the price and comparison of Pinaka II with Smerch? 214mm PINAKA MBRL ... Tata Power's Advanced Material Division and Larsen & Tubro's Heavy Engineering Division were awarded a contract worth Rs 200 crore (US $45 million) by Army HQ, on 29 March 20...
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 15:48
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Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
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Vivek K wrote:What's the cost of the Pinaka? Any estimates of the price and comparison of Pinaka II with Smerch?
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 15:47
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Rahul M wrote:thanks boss. this means about 5/6 regiments w/o reserves.

also, IA refused the russki drone that came with it. what will they use instead, nishant ?
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 15:47
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Rupak wrote:It's 3 batteries of 4 each, total 12 per regiment in case of the Smerch.
by Ramesh
08 Feb 2009 15:46
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Pardon me if I am wrong, but doesn't it seem like a ridiculously low number of launchers for an Army the size India has? I mean, it makes sense if the Army is waiting for the Pinaka Mk-II type vehicle for taking over the heavier class MLRS requirement, but in the meantime, the numbers seem to be mo...

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