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by GeorgeWelch
08 Aug 2015 09:29
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014
Replies: 3028
Views: 431025

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9 , 2014

Regarding this exercise, the RAF got thrashed. What makes the Indian claim more credible than the British claim besides blind nationalism? The Brits are being sore losers. It doesn't reflect well on them. If there is one side that comes off poorly, it's clearly the Indian. Either they dramatically ...
by GeorgeWelch
07 Aug 2015 18:14
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014
Replies: 3028
Views: 431025

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9 , 2014

unable to even demonstrate the nuance Bill Sweetman does when he refers to TVC as making it harder for missile guidance systems. Even great advantages in aerodynamic performance only lead to minor variations in success rate WVR The absolute best you can hope for is something like a 75/25 advantage,...
by GeorgeWelch
07 Aug 2015 17:59
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 222854

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

The fact that you can't even understand the glaring holes in the British version, and think that its credible, whilst completely discounting the IAF account (which you have demonstrated in the past as well) puts you firmly in the class of a fanboi. Feel free to expound on the glaring holes in the B...
by GeorgeWelch
07 Aug 2015 14:04
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 222854

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

You think I'm a secret EF fanboi? Right on one part, "fanboi". :lol: So . . . you uncritically accept the version put forth by some Indian pilots while completely discounting the British version for no particular reason, even when the scenario described strains credulity and you're callin...
by GeorgeWelch
07 Aug 2015 13:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014
Replies: 3028
Views: 431025

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9 , 2014

BTW, for all the serious folk heres how the Su-30 MKI pilots use their TVC with their HMS and the HOBS R-73E missile combo, the combined package is what makes it far more capable than a conventional aircraft with a HMS and a HOBS missile. Sorry, being able to spin or flip doesn't make you invulnera...
by GeorgeWelch
07 Aug 2015 13:39
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 222854

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

Karan M wrote:
GeorgeWelch wrote:Providing some needed balance?

(It should be obvious by now I'm not even a EF fan)


Yeah sure... :lol: :lol:


You think I'm a secret EF fanboi?
by GeorgeWelch
07 Aug 2015 13:35
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014
Replies: 3028
Views: 431025

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9 , 2014

Actually within those restrictions, the WVR battle is perfectly germaine (short range A2A) and the Typhoons had their clocks cleaned. It helps to apply a little critical thought to the situation. WVR is basically a coinflip. Missiles and seekers are too deadly, if you get that close, you're going t...
by GeorgeWelch
07 Aug 2015 13:18
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 222854

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

Singha wrote:the familiarization flight thing appears dubious at high level 20,000ft


Where do you see 20,000ft?
by GeorgeWelch
07 Aug 2015 13:16
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 222854

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

Karan M wrote:As usual George Welch appears to do his usual as the unpalatable facts come in :lol:


Providing some needed balance?

(It should be obvious by now I'm not even a EF fan)
by GeorgeWelch
07 Aug 2015 12:50
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 222854

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

Who needs the Rafales now? IAF Sukhois lick Typhoons 12-0 says this Brit report. As always, a healthy dose of skepticism is called for. http://forces.tv/00317417 Sources from the RAF state, however, that Indian planes were being 'bedded in' to new terrain and effectively shown the ropes. The RAF we...
by GeorgeWelch
06 Aug 2015 13:36
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Transport Aircraft for IAF
Replies: 3701
Views: 307280

Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Austin wrote:Military aircraft have FOD grill etc to take care of FOD damage during take off


No they don't.

Early MiG-29s has an 'alternate intake' setup, but that was quickly done away with as it was found to be more trouble than it was worth.
by GeorgeWelch
06 Aug 2015 13:30
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Transport Aircraft for IAF
Replies: 3701
Views: 307280

Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

The MTA is supposed to also have a civilian passenger version,whereas the Hercules is a dedicated mil transport. I posted costs also earlier,repeated here.C-130Js cost between $100-120M.Whereas an MTA will cost only $35-40M. One would get at least 3 MTAs for the price of just one Hercules! And the ...
by GeorgeWelch
01 Aug 2015 22:06
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 222854

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

Fact is the GOI and IAF are in agreement that Rafale fits their plan best all things considered. Which explains why the GoI cut the buy to 36. I am sure the GOI has taken all factors including Price/tech./capability/Gen./etc into consideration while arriving at the decision. I'm pretty sure GoI is ...
by GeorgeWelch
19 Jul 2015 22:24
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 22 April 2015
Replies: 4211
Views: 315624

Re: Indian Naval News & Discussion - 22 April 2015

When is the carrier slated to be operational? What is stopping the IN from seeking an LCA to be rated for a CAT launch? Besides time and money? Nothing, but just pointing out that not only does it not exist now, there are no current plans to make it happen. It seems rather imprudent to count on som...
by GeorgeWelch
19 Jul 2015 12:27
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 222854

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

The Shornet is neither cheap nor easily inducted causing an altogether new fighter type from a whimsical vendor. It's half the price of the Rafale 'Ease of induction' is a red herring. When was the last time you heard of a modern airforce being unable to use a new plane because they couldn't figure...
by GeorgeWelch
19 Jul 2015 12:11
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 22 April 2015
Replies: 4211
Views: 315624

Re: Indian Naval News & Discussion - 22 April 2015

Neither EMALS nor Steam CATS restricts the IN to a US aircraft apart from perhaps the E-2D. If the AMCA goes as per plan, the IN could simply move to an AMCA/LCA fleet for the new carrier, or simply buy more Mig-29's or Rafale M's if they are still in production by then. LCA and Mig-29 aren't catap...
by GeorgeWelch
24 May 2015 22:50
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

You can't deny that it is galling that a third-world country that has traditionally fed on diet on Russian planes discarded the famed F16s and F18s. Not due to cost, not for lack of lobbying, but as technically deficient . Yes, the same fighters that are the harbingers of righteous wrath of Khan kn...
by GeorgeWelch
24 May 2015 22:42
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

You routinely fib ( calling the IAF liars, say the MMRCA was rigged and what not with ZERO evidence apart from your pongo interpretations) Denying Lockmart a chance to rerun the engine change test while cutting the Euros all sorts of slack on capabilities that aren't ready makes it pretty blatant. ...
by GeorgeWelch
24 May 2015 22:15
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

eklavya wrote:As for cost, LCA is by a long way the most economical


To quote an esteemed poster on this board 'Cheap junk is still junk.'

(Not directed at you, just yanking Karan's chain a little ;))
by GeorgeWelch
24 May 2015 19:56
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Karan M wrote:If you can't handle the truth and its painful to you whilst you think you are some power, get some treatment asap. Delirium clearly.


That you can't make your point without resorting to personal attacks says a lot . . .

Here's a hilarious thought: if the SH is so bad, what does that make the LCA?
by GeorgeWelch
24 May 2015 03:09
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

edit: doesn't matter, way off-topic
by GeorgeWelch
24 May 2015 02:41
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

But there would have been fewer of them. So we shifted some F-22 numbers to F-35 No. At the moment the F-35A is designed around the F-16, and A-10 replacement. The USAF has shrunk considerably since the gulf-war, and the F-35A purchase number that exists at the moment as a requirement reflects an a...
by GeorgeWelch
24 May 2015 02:32
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

The threat for which it was designed became a lot smaller priority post cold war In other words, "it was too expensive for the capabilities delivered." Had there been 500 F-22A's, the F-35 performance would still have been the same. But then there would have been fewer F-35s ordered. So w...
by GeorgeWelch
24 May 2015 02:27
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

brar_w wrote:That is absolutely not how it went down. The F-22A was meant to replace the F-15C


But then we realized it was too expensive for the capabilities delivered and the buy was truncated.
by GeorgeWelch
24 May 2015 02:17
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Rubbish, you are busy claiming that since the flying bricks did not win the MMRCA everyone else who won was bad and the competition was rigged. No, I claimed that it was rigged because of clear evidence that it was rigged. What else is it but grapes are sour. Pointing out painful truths. (Speaking ...
by GeorgeWelch
23 May 2015 23:56
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

2) Spatial disorientation. Can we really afford to take the risk of sending a $125+ million fighter up in the air with just one pilot and then lose it to SD or something similar. I am sure Rambha pilots can attest to the episodes when they saved their fellow pilot's skin (or vice versa) up in the a...
by GeorgeWelch
23 May 2015 23:39
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Rakesh, grapes are sour in full flow!! The fox tried and tried to get the grapes, and when he finally gave up he said 'the grapes were probably sour anyways'. Thus sour grapes is when you strive for something, don't get it and then say 'well, I didn't want it anyways' If I said, "well, the US ...
by GeorgeWelch
20 May 2015 01:41
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

The fact that the Eurocanards actually beat the legacy American fighters is a hard pill for some to swallow. Egos have been bruised quite badly. Not at all. The true ego bruising will occur when you realize that you're wasting so much money on something that doesn't matter. Either Eurocanard will r...
by GeorgeWelch
11 May 2015 07:57
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

I notice you did not address Lockmart What ground could they possibly have? I assume you read the Tellis piece? One of the identified shortcomings was engine change time. Tellis is deliberately obtuse about what happened ('idiosyncratic mishap' and 'multiple stochastic demonstrations' indeed), fort...
by GeorgeWelch
09 May 2015 04:11
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

The only ground for Boeing I notice you did not address Lockmart :P (as a sidenote, the article does have some real gems in it "The Europeans, he contended, 'were willing to bend over backwards in terms of technology transfer, in terms of industrial work share and in terms of other regulatory ...
by GeorgeWelch
08 May 2015 23:53
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

the MRCA would have gone the Shornet way had the IAF not scuttled the plan with a very professional, and thorough technical evaluation. It should be pointed out that both Boeing and Lockheed has plenty of grounds to protest, but decided not to in order to not ruffle feathers with other deals in the...
by GeorgeWelch
08 May 2015 03:08
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 22 April 2015
Replies: 4211
Views: 315624

Re: Indian Naval News & Discussion - 22 April 2015

NRao wrote:May 7, 2015 :: India Outlines New Carrier Ambitions

Depending on the cost, India could consider acquiring F-18s or the F-35B for IAC-2


Why would they get F-35B? With EMALS might as well go F-35C.
by GeorgeWelch
08 May 2015 01:28
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

France sells 24 Rafale to Qatar for $7 billion US to sell 28 SH to Kuwait for $3+ billion This is probably the closest we can come to an equal comparison of costs. Even taking the $3+ as $3.5, the SH is less than half the price of the Rafale. The Rafale may be better in some aspects, but is it twic...
by GeorgeWelch
05 May 2015 00:08
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

brar_w wrote:How is the "offset" unique to the Make in India? Has it not been the policy to have offsets for large weapon deals like the rest of the world?


Depending on the deal, offsets can be any money that is spent in India.

For instance travel expenses have been included in offsets.
by GeorgeWelch
30 Apr 2015 10:00
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Transport Aircraft for IAF
Replies: 3701
Views: 307280

Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

What are you transporting that is >>60t and needs to go in one flight. It's not just weight, it's fit. If something is too wide or too tall to fit in the cargo bay, it doesn't matter how much or how little it weighs. And congestion is a reason for continued "strategic" acquisitions? How m...
by GeorgeWelch
30 Apr 2015 08:53
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Transport Aircraft for IAF
Replies: 3701
Views: 307280

Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

4/27 2 C-17 carrying comm equipment & Water, 1 C-130J and 1 IL-76 (NDRF teams) return to Palam due to 'congestion' at Kathmandu. Yes, there was 1 flight of 58t, but that could also have been two flights instead or this whole load 238.5 put on fewer chartered cargo planes. Plenty of time after d...
by GeorgeWelch
19 Apr 2015 11:35
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Military Aviation- September 29 2013
Replies: 3967
Views: 134036

Re: Indian Military Aviation- September 29 2013

While he has a point about higher costs, cost was not the only reason why Rafale won MMRCA competition. From wiki: Those are speculations. The only official reason is that the lifecycle cost came in as less than than EF. Any other reason would have been grounds for a protest. IAF is guaranteed to g...
by GeorgeWelch
18 Apr 2015 01:55
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135569

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

http://aviationweek.com/defense/podcast-india-s-medium-multi-role-combat-aircraft-surprise India hit the reset button on stalled contract talks with Dassault, opting for a government-to-government sale of 36 Rafale fighters. Our editors discuss what the deal means for India, Dassault and future comb...
by GeorgeWelch
17 Apr 2015 22:55
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Military Aviation- September 29 2013
Replies: 3967
Views: 134036

Re: Indian Military Aviation- September 29 2013

Cybaru wrote:Old pipeline that was committed for and even then the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Greece are hoping someone will buy their commitment for stuff they said yes to.


So China and Pakistan are just buying the last few fighters they are committed to and then they'll stop, that's your position?
by GeorgeWelch
17 Apr 2015 22:19
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Military Aviation- September 29 2013
Replies: 3967
Views: 134036

Re: Indian Military Aviation- September 29 2013

Cybaru wrote:This is absolute crap. The world is moving to drones. No one is buying new fighters.


Well, except for China, Pakistan, the US, the UK, Germany, Italy, France, Australia, Canada, Thailand, South Korea, Japan, Brazil, Egypt, the UAE and Israel, you may have a point.

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