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by GeorgeWelch
15 Jun 2009 02:45
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

ok,IAF not going to induct any mrca contender before late 2014. so who has operational aesa or who doesn't ,doesn't really matters right now. It doesn't matter except as an indication of how serious they are about providing updates. The demonstrated lack of commitment makes you worry about where th...
by GeorgeWelch
15 Jun 2009 02:20
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

While I agree that the SH has no future in the USAF :mrgreen: , all the evidence says you are wrong about their future in the USN. Hence IAF will not consider superbugs Just to be clear, the USAF has never and will never operate the SH (unless they are forced to get some Growlers :mrgreen: ). They ...
by GeorgeWelch
15 Jun 2009 02:17
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

Such games are nice on paper, but in the real world, such situations never occur. Amateurs get blinded by the shiny stats, professionals look at the total system. :shock: Do you know what Indradhanush was? Its as close as it gets to "real world" short of a war. There is no question of shi...
by GeorgeWelch
15 Jun 2009 01:29
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

The USN will likely have ~600 SHs. That is a far larger single fleet than any of the other competitors by far. It will be the backbone of the USN fleet for decades. And the USN is actually involved in constant wars unlike the rest of the competitors. That means the plane has to WORK. wrong, f35 is ...
by GeorgeWelch
15 Jun 2009 01:10
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

The USN is not developing SH, on the contrary it will be capping orders after 2010-11 . Boeing has said that they'll need an international customer to invest in SH's next avatar. It's something like what UAE did with F-16 Block 60. I think you are confusing different issues. They are not (most like...
by GeorgeWelch
15 Jun 2009 01:01
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

I don't agree with the assertion that because the US Navy has invested in the SH it has a more certain development future and the others do not. The USN will likely have ~600 SHs. That is a larger single fleet than any of the other competitors by far. It will be the backbone of the USN fleet for de...
by GeorgeWelch
14 Jun 2009 23:51
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Military Aviation
Replies: 388
Views: 25384

Re: Indian Military Aviation

so in last 2 decades IAF did not feel need for more aircraft??? India and its needs has changed a lot in the last 2 decades . . . at any given time not all il76 are used,many of them are on ground. most busiest route is chandigarh to leh. I don't know enough about India's transport situation to com...
by GeorgeWelch
14 Jun 2009 23:15
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Military Aviation
Replies: 388
Views: 25384

Re: Indian Military Aviation

read what i said,its about upgrading il76 not replacing them so upgrading il76 is much cheaper than buying 10 c17 which would cost us 2.5 -3.0 billion and those il76 can be upgraded for 0.5 -1.0 billion It appears that the IAF has decided that 24 heavy transports simply isn't enough to cover all th...
by GeorgeWelch
14 Jun 2009 23:05
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Military Aviation
Replies: 388
Views: 25384

Re: Indian Military Aviation

i just want to say its better to upgrade exixting IL76 with either PS90A or in development new D30KP BURLAK engine available from 2011 and with glass cockpit.this would give IL76 60 ton capability and good for next 20 years than spending money on C17. The IAF operates 24 'plain' Il-76s Since this c...
by GeorgeWelch
14 Jun 2009 22:52
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Military Aviation
Replies: 388
Views: 25384

Re: Indian Military Aviation

---Surya---- I am more worried of what it will do when the An 32s retirement- with all the options still a distant dream. ------- C-27J? MTA? I was under the impression that he was worried about what would happen if the MTA was delayed too long or fell through ('distant dream' and all that). Thus t...
by GeorgeWelch
14 Jun 2009 22:29
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Military Aviation
Replies: 388
Views: 25384

Re: Indian Military Aviation

Surya wrote:I am more worried of what it will do when the An 32s retirement- with all the options still a distant dream.


C-27J?
by GeorgeWelch
14 Jun 2009 22:15
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

Rafale: Production orders were placed in 1988. F-18 E/F: First production model delivered to the U.S. Navy in December 1998 To be fair, those are comparing different dates. First prototype flight: Rafale: 1986 SH: 1995 First flight of a production frame: Rafale: 1998 SH: 1998 As you can see, progre...
by GeorgeWelch
14 Jun 2009 21:43
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

SanjibGhosh wrote:I believe that a in the current form Rafale is miles ahead of SH (hope AESA will be fully operationalized soon).


The Rafale couldn't lase it's own bombs in Afghanistan.

That lack of basic functionality indicates to me that it is still half-baked.
by GeorgeWelch
14 Jun 2009 20:41
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Military Aviation
Replies: 388
Views: 25384

Re: Indian Military Aviation

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has shortlisted the Boeing C-17 Globemaster III as its new Very Heavy Lift Transport Aircraft (VHTAC).


So, who else is on the shortlist?

Il-76 variant?
A400M?
An-124?
by GeorgeWelch
14 Jun 2009 20:28
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

On the bright side, from all the moaning about attached strings and sovereignty issues, you all should know quite well that the US isn't going to allow Pakistan to use them against India in any meaningful way :wink: Bad bad choice of words. Raises those suspicions even further. :rotfl: Not at all. ...
by GeorgeWelch
14 Jun 2009 19:53
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

Does the USN really have a long term commitment on SH ? yes Would it not dump it when F 35 enters service ? no Here is my previous post on the situation: The F-35 is NOT replacing the SH, it is replacing the legacy Hornet (F/A-18 A-D). The USN has almost 600 legacy hornets that are nearing the end ...
by GeorgeWelch
14 Jun 2009 19:41
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

Every plane has their fanbois. And of course I root for the home team :wink: I'm actually much more of an F-35 (LockMart) fan and think it would be a superb addition to India's fleet, but since it's not in the running, I think the SH (Boeing) is a better choice than the F-16 (LockMart) for it's flex...
by GeorgeWelch
14 Jun 2009 18:12
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

GeorgeWelch Can you explain how much TOT will be there in the aesa of f16/18 ?. We already know from media sources that it will be around 60 %, but which technology will be transfered in 60% is not known?? Of course not, I'm not involved in the negotiations. This is where you have to trust your pro...
by GeorgeWelch
14 Jun 2009 12:44
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

take a simple case in your reply you said "You will be able to put your own parts on it" .. It could mean a> something which you have done R &D on and you want to put on it or b> some thing which you have legitimately purchased and is by all rights my own part. Most of us here do not ...
by GeorgeWelch
14 Jun 2009 12:36
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

The RBE2 is already ready @ production iirc. And was offered as equivalent of apg-79 for the Swiss competition. AESA hardly is that much of a BIG deal for any of the MRCA bidders it seems. And the more time it takes, the smaller the splash the aesa makes. IOWs, the AESA advantage of the US birds is...
by GeorgeWelch
14 Jun 2009 12:28
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

The MKI vs Typhoon simulations at Indradhanush were a good example. Cat and mouse is how one pilot explained it, and that means a LOT of things. Such games are nice on paper, but in the real world, such situations never occur. Amateurs get blinded by the shiny stats, professionals look at the total...
by GeorgeWelch
14 Jun 2009 09:55
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

The fact is, the moment India does anything that US policy does not like (It does not have to extend to a level of holding the US embassy hostage for a year), all hell WILL break loose. The US WILL put on the squeeze at every possible choke point they have. Venezuela does all sorts of stuff the US ...
by GeorgeWelch
14 Jun 2009 08:27
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

At some point, it comes down to faith in the opposite party. It is highly lacking, justifybly so. It is obvious there is a lot of distrust and dislike (even hatred ;)) for the US from the Indian side, but I can tell you from my viewpoint that it is totally one-sided. India is well-regarded in the U...
by GeorgeWelch
13 Jun 2009 23:04
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

For an aircraft on which even the know how transfer of the existing tech is an ambiguity It is only an ambiguity to us because we aren't directly involved in the negotiations. They will know exactly what tech transfer will be involved when they sign the contract. forget the part where we can mix an...
by GeorgeWelch
13 Jun 2009 22:28
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

its the integration of el2052 aesa radar on f16i that was not allowed by raytheon. Well, I'm not sure why you would want to replace the APG-79 anyways ;) Israel has been free to add their own EW kits and AAMs One thing to remember is that Israel has absolutely ZERO leverage on this issue since they...
by GeorgeWelch
13 Jun 2009 22:05
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

the Israeli Air force (americas best friends) was not allowed to even integrate their own avionics with the F/16... That appears to be incorrect http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/f-16i.htm The Sufa has been customized with new avionic technologies, internally mounted FLIR, forward...
by GeorgeWelch
13 Jun 2009 21:31
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

Guess he means that F 18 airframe has been around for quite a long time...some people feel that the upgrade potential is considerably less when you compare it with Rafale or Typhoon (new airframes). And to that I would say upgrade potential is more driven by available room for new gadgets, and the ...
by GeorgeWelch
13 Jun 2009 19:51
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

Lalmohan wrote:^^^ SH makes sense as a 'medium interim' type until Pak-FA, but not if medium --> long, in which case the EF and Rafale give us more options


I'm curious as to what you mean by this.
by GeorgeWelch
13 Jun 2009 14:27
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

It feels like many people missed the first line in my post: (note: The following assumes that technology transfer and sovereignty issues are worked out. If they aren't then, none of this matters. But assuming it is . . .) The procurement staff is going to be extra careful to get the proper assurance...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Jun 2009 10:20
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: MRCA News and Discussion
Replies: 391
Views: 16675

Re: MRCA News and Discussion

(note: The following assumes that technology transfer and sovereignty issues are worked out. If they aren't then, none of this matters. But assuming it is . . .) Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet The 'NO DRAMA' Choice In many ways, the SH is perfectly positioned for India's needs. India already has the Su-...

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