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by GeorgeWelch
04 Jan 2015 19:58
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

That is not true. All Parrikar has stated , as far as I know, is that the Rafale negotiations have complications. And that the MKI is "adequate" and costs about half the price . That may very well be true, but as far as I can tell he didn't even say that. The only quote from him is that t...
by GeorgeWelch
04 Jan 2015 19:56
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

chackojoseph wrote:Not really. Even if the Rafale is equivalent to SU-30 MKI cost, even then, as per the def ministers logic (not mine), is costly. They decide by their logic.


I wasn't talking about the argument of Rafale vs MKI, just the specific cost of the MKI listed as being Rs 358 crore, which wasn't believable.
by GeorgeWelch
04 Jan 2015 12:15
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

ritesh wrote:Ok, fair ennuff.

Would this suffice?


Excellent research for finding where the author got that figure from, thanks

And then of course thanks to Viv S for explaining why that figure isn't particularly relevant.
by GeorgeWelch
04 Jan 2015 10:52
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

ritesh wrote:GW, FYI...


That's not a quote from Parrikar, that's inserted by the article author.

It's not clear where the author comes up with that number.
by GeorgeWelch
04 Jan 2015 10:04
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

chackojoseph wrote:Same day or a day after the defence minister gave the figures.


Do you have a link to him giving those figures? I've looked and can't find where it's listed.
by GeorgeWelch
04 Jan 2015 07:08
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

chackojoseph wrote:
GeorgeWelch wrote:Ajay Banerjee does not approve the checks.


He has quoted official figures.


From when?
by GeorgeWelch
04 Jan 2015 03:13
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Shalav wrote:
GeorgeWelch wrote:
Good luck getting it for that price, MKI has not been that cheap for many years.


Good one there George, sitting on your armchair, now you know even more about prices than the guy who actually approves the checks.

Well done!


Ajay Banerjee does not approve the checks.
by GeorgeWelch
03 Jan 2015 23:27
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

chackojoseph wrote:Parrikar to hasten defence acquisition

Speaking to mediapersons, Parrikar signalled that the Sukhoi-30Mki fighter jets — costing Rs 358 crore each, or almost half the expected cost of the French Rafale



Good luck getting it for that price, MKI has not been that cheap for many years.
by GeorgeWelch
03 Jan 2015 02:48
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

the F18's are out of production Not yet. In fact . . . Airbus and Boeing are jointly attempting to unseat Lockheed Martin from South Korea’s KF-X indigenous fighter program, offering technology from Europe that could not be supplied from U.S. sources, industry officials say. With Korean Airlines as...
by GeorgeWelch
01 Jan 2015 00:10
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

What ^^^ implies is that if you were in the MMRCA contest, you cannot be eligible for any resubmission. Of course, that leaves the JSF :) I think LM wrote these rules. Under the MRCA rules, no one other than Rafale can be selected at this point, whether previously in contest or not. If they want so...
by GeorgeWelch
22 Dec 2014 00:42
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

yes. And this would be perfumed roses with the manufacturer of the F 18, with a highly trustworthy, long standing relationship. My thought is more the problem is with the structure of the MRCA. It tries to do everything and ends up doing nothing. If you need a gap-filler, then just buy a gap-filler...
by GeorgeWelch
20 Dec 2014 19:47
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Livefist ‏@livefist 10h10 hours ago Spent some time with some HAL folks this week here in Bangalore. Level of chagrin & hostility with @Dassault_OnAir is thick. #MMRCA Livefist ‏@livefist 10h10 hours ago There's been some epic bickering between Dassault & HAL that hasn't been reported. Detai...
by GeorgeWelch
17 Dec 2014 05:17
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Naval News & Discussion - 12 Oct 2013
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Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Philip wrote:These subs were almost invulnerable .We saw from the salvaged Kursk that the aft part of the sub was intact despite the massive explosions that ripped through the forward part of the sub.


The Kursk was sunk by a practice torpedo
by GeorgeWelch
13 Dec 2014 02:32
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014



Since the affordable Super Hornet is just as good as the overpriced Rafale, the decision is clear ;)
by GeorgeWelch
12 Dec 2014 23:39
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Transport Aircraft for IAF
Replies: 3787
Views: 384316

Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/defence-department-to-purchase-boeing-c-17-globemaster-iii-1.2144472 The Defence Department intends to purchase a Boeing C-17 Globemaster III, a large military transport plane that comes with a price tag of just under $200 million, CTV News has learned It's difficult to ...
by GeorgeWelch
02 Dec 2014 04:34
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20141201/DEFREG03/312010014 India will fast-track the finalization of the US $12 billion plan to purchase 126 Dassault Rafale jets, according to a senior Indian Defense Ministry official . . . The Indian MoD official refused to give details on how the two sides wil...
by GeorgeWelch
02 Dec 2014 03:44
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: International Military Aviation - News and Discussion
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Views: 26759

Re: International Military Aviation - News and Discussion

the budget is hard to predict 1 year out, much less 20 years out Yet you are doing it confidently by claiming that the USN would be the most upgraded of the lot. Because it doesn't matter what the budget is. Keeping the SH current is a critical need for the USN and so they will. There are a lot of ...
by GeorgeWelch
02 Dec 2014 02:21
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: International Military Aviation - News and Discussion
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Views: 26759

Re: International Military Aviation - News and Discussion

There really isn't any room budget for them to add significant capability the budget is hard to predict 1 year out, much less 20 years out right now they're in 'sequester', once that goes away they'll find ways to make it happen A lot of the budget for development and procurement would be sucked in...
by GeorgeWelch
01 Dec 2014 22:28
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Almost all of that investment (that has been accounted for through the current projected spending) is for the Growler through primarily the Next Generation Jammer. The SH will form the bulk of the USN fleet for the next 20 years and thus will be kept up to date. That's all versions, not just the Gr...
by GeorgeWelch
01 Dec 2014 20:13
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

How is the SH the next logical choice when clearly it was the Typhoon that along with the Rafale that was shortlisted? The Super Hornet is a total dead end as far as the future of the strike aircraft is going. Only the Growler would be kept relevant, and it is quite likely that any future orders fr...
by GeorgeWelch
16 Nov 2014 20:16
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Transport Aircraft for IAF
Replies: 3787
Views: 384316

Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

http://australianaviation.com.au/2014/11/defence-c-17-story/ Australia has formally requested “up to four” more Boeing C-17A . . . Boeing has built about 10 “white tailed” aircraft on speculation that these can be sold to new or existing customers of the aircraft. There is believed to be interest fo...
by GeorgeWelch
08 Nov 2014 03:44
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

SH can work in STOBAR configuration

Rafale probably could too, but that hasn't been confirmed and the naval variant isn't what you're getting and the naval variant is single-seater only
by GeorgeWelch
05 Nov 2014 19:55
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Rakesh wrote:For all the Rafale naysayers...you do realize that the aircraft in the MMRCA competition all went through stringent testing to ensure they met the IAF's requirements.


Those were not 'requirements', they were 'wishlists'.

Sometimes situations change and IAF can't get everything it wishes for.
by GeorgeWelch
20 Oct 2014 23:45
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Nevertheless,there are many irons in the Indo-Russian fire.Our relations are basically excellent. It's easy for relations to be excellent when there's no pressure. But what happens in a conflict between India and China? All the recent gas deals have made it clear who is more important to Russia . .
by GeorgeWelch
11 Oct 2014 11:33
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Transport Aircraft for IAF
Replies: 3787
Views: 384316

Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

The final C-17 has already begun assembly and the line is shutting down. http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/algeria-could-miss-out-on-c-17-boeing-cautions-403843/ Algeria is considering the C-17, the Airbus A400M and the upgraded Ilyushin Il-76MD90 for a possible order of between four and six...
by GeorgeWelch
10 Oct 2014 20:45
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Where most planes dont need afterburners, the F 35 does. Whether they are supersonic always or not is not of any material consequence. Most planes need afterburners only in close combat other than to accelerate beyond supersonic and then cruise. The fact is that the F 35 needs every last gasp of en...
by GeorgeWelch
10 Oct 2014 19:15
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Finally I am not confusing anything. The F135 weighs the same as the F 110 but produces twice the peak thrust. It will need to sustain much much higher stress level. Material science advances can only compensate for so much. Most of the issues with the F135 have been stress related issues. These ca...
by GeorgeWelch
10 Oct 2014 19:05
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Sorry, but it will run afterburners MOST of the time. It cannot stay supersonic unless its on afterburners. Most fighters are rarely supersonic. They did a study adding up all the supersonic hours of all fighters everywhere and it was miniscule. Even combining all planes from all countries, the vas...
by GeorgeWelch
10 Oct 2014 18:41
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

It is crazy and stupid to expect a 200kn turbofan that has to be on afterburners most of the time to be a low maintenance machine. A couple points: - It will not run at afterburner most of the time. The variant that will see the most use is the C-variant for cat-launches. Beyond that, it will pract...
by GeorgeWelch
10 Oct 2014 18:32
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

How much local manufacturing did you do of the first 40 MKI? They had no objections when we decided to fit Israeli, French and Indian parts in Su. You are attempting to change the topic, so I guess you agree that South Korea is doing more local manufacture on its 40 F-35 than India did on its first...
by GeorgeWelch
09 Oct 2014 18:51
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

What technology is that? Mere assembly rights? Kit bashing. The kind that allows for them to say they make it locally (and at 40 aircraft clearly its mostly driven by local industrial perception). In contrast, with the Su-30 MKI, we got the ability to manufacture our own systems and components, alb...
by GeorgeWelch
09 Oct 2014 00:01
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

F-18 didn't make the grade in the high altitude tests neither the hot weather tests. Boeing reps were briefed about it in that aspect. IAF requirement of MMRCA is not only for filling the squadron numbers, but for effectively taking the fight to where it matters, high over and above, north of Himal...
by GeorgeWelch
08 Oct 2014 22:44
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Answer: However, the Indian Government decided to go in for a multi-vendor tendering process. Requests for Information (RFI) were issued in 2004. The RFIs were initially sent to four vendors: Dassault (Mirage 2000-5 Mk.2) , Lockheed Martin (F-16C/D), Mikoyan (MiG-29OVT), and Saab (JAS 39 Gripen) Th...
by GeorgeWelch
08 Oct 2014 22:30
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

mahadevbhu wrote:I don't know why it doesnt get into your head that the F 18, with its high wing loading, is not suitable for the hot and high conditions that are present at Tibet. It doesnt cut the mustard. Simple as that.


Because that statement is incorrect. Simple as that.
by GeorgeWelch
08 Oct 2014 22:29
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

12 fighters wouldn't have been pivotal, but that doesn't make dropping what was a good deal any less of a mistake. Why invest so much in, not even last-gen, but pre-last-gen fighters and create yet another sub-fleet? They were not the same as IAF's existing Mirages so will have their own unique iss...
by GeorgeWelch
08 Oct 2014 21:40
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Viv S wrote:First of all, it is obvious that torpedoing of the Qatari Mirage deal was a mistake and a very blatant one at that.


12 fighters were never going to make a difference
by GeorgeWelch
29 Sep 2014 11:46
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Naval News & Discussion - 12 Oct 2013
Replies: 4026
Views: 222539

Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Intriguing possibilities as a future fuel.Seawater. In case it isn't clear from the article, this isn't about generating energy, it's about transferring energy from one form (nuclear) to another (hydrocarbon). It's basically a way for nuke carriers to generate their own aviation fuel so they don't ...
by GeorgeWelch
27 Sep 2014 22:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India-US Relations : News and Discussion
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Views: 180882

Re: India-US Relations : News and Discussion

http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/26/dines ... placement/

Numerous news outlets have named Preet Bharara, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, as a possible replacement for [Attorney General] Holder.
by GeorgeWelch
20 Sep 2014 12:33
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Krishnakg wrote:"Surprising" indeed ! that you feel interested in plight of Ukraine.


Surprisingly it keeps coming up on a Rafale thread
by GeorgeWelch
20 Sep 2014 11:33
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
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Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Philip wrote: What did they do in the Ukraine? Not sending armored troops across the border and shooting down airliners for one. Reply to GeorgeWelch, Please remember Iran Air Flight 655 Not in Ukraine. So you know what is the difference between, premeditated cold blooded murder of Iranians This is...

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