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by GeorgeWelch
20 Sep 2014 08:33
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 203408

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

No it wouldn't.. Spending money on developing a brand new line of fighters plus cost of supply chain line will not work unless its for LCA. Again, that's simply not true. With already 3 types of fighters, not including LCA, investing in another one defies logic A stop gap option needs to be from ex...
by GeorgeWelch
20 Sep 2014 01:14
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 203408

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Also my point was that we need to develop our homegrown capabilities. No one's denying that. But you're not there yet, and while you're working on LCA, FGFA, and MCA, you need something else in the meantime to be a gap-filler that capable, affordable and efficient. going to US for SH or F-35 or goi...
by GeorgeWelch
20 Sep 2014 00:00
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 203408

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

No you don't. 1998 sanctions and the beating taken by LCA program are not that old. None of which had anything to do with China Is anyone realistically expecting US to give us ToT for their cutting edge weapons and come to our side in case of an actual shooting war with China? more likely than Fran...
by GeorgeWelch
19 Sep 2014 18:57
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 203408

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Philip wrote: What did they do in the Ukraine?


Not sending armored troops across the border and shooting down airliners for one.


Philip wrote:It's "realpolitik" all the way.


Which is why if you want to counter China, you want the US on your side.
by GeorgeWelch
18 Sep 2014 05:12
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 203408

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Philip wrote:When they were touted as around $75M+.It now appears that they will come in around $125M.


They were never $75M, at least not for you.
by GeorgeWelch
18 Sep 2014 04:00
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 203408

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

That money could've been used to wrap up the Rafale deal when prices were low. When is this mythical time you speak of that Rafale prices were ever low? They only won the competition 2.5 years ago and there were still huge issues about tech transfer and workshare to workout. Even if money was no ob...
by GeorgeWelch
18 Sep 2014 02:11
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 203408

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

there would be hell to pay from the Euros and France. Those sternly-worded letters are rather frightening. The SH is no longer an option. The only political excuse NaMo could plausibly employ is that we are going for 5Gen and lease 60 off the shelf F-35s whenever they become available which should ...
by GeorgeWelch
02 Sep 2014 07:28
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: PAK-FA and FGFA: News & Discussion - June 2014
Replies: 2757
Views: 365568

Re: PAK-FA and FGFA Thread - June 2014

If you want true co-development, you need engineers embedded with Sukhoi now. There shouldn't be any need for further communications or explanations, because the 'insiders' already know everything. Letting Russia do its thing then toss over a prototype and saying 'have at it' is nonsense. At that po...
by GeorgeWelch
25 Aug 2014 22:24
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 203408

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

A more modest program
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_G ... lobal_Hawk

Unit cost: US$131.4M

Each aircraft was to cost US$35 million in 2005,[2] but this had risen to $222.7M per aircraft (including development costs) by 2013.
by GeorgeWelch
25 Jun 2014 22:40
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions
Replies: 5225
Views: 270723

Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

But the key point is that the USN will be actively investing in the SH longer than any other participant So the french which do not have any other tactical fighter in their pipeline won't be investing in the Rafale? No They only funded AESA because Dassault begged them to help with export sales. Th...
by GeorgeWelch
25 Jun 2014 21:24
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions
Replies: 5225
Views: 270723

Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

SH is $49M $65M flyaway. $80M procurement. For the USN. If you're going to start including other costs, then it's only fair to note that the last MKI batch was over $100 million each. Don't need tankers or Growlers. Or rather would not want to pay extra for either capability in the MMRCA. Su-30 is ...
by GeorgeWelch
25 Jun 2014 19:17
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions
Replies: 5225
Views: 270723

Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

The MKI is no longer cheaper Still cheaper. $75M vs $80M SH (more) vs higher for the EF/Rafale. SH is $49M Every aircraft does everything nowadays. The F-16 has been doing everything for decades now. And does it all at a lower cost than the SH. SV doesn't operate from carriers SV doesn't operate as...
by GeorgeWelch
25 Jun 2014 01:30
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions
Replies: 5225
Views: 270723

Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

Between the MKI and MMRCA, the former being a cheaper The MKI is no longer cheaper You can also modify the MKI as a Growler-type aircraft with EL/L-8251 or Skyshield pods. Not as effectively MiG-29Ks are sufficient for now. No significant near-term threat in the IOR. In 2022, the service would like...
by GeorgeWelch
24 Jun 2014 23:11
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions
Replies: 5225
Views: 270723

Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

- Tanker capability not required. (Lots of Su-30MKIs. Do the job better.) I would think you would have better uses for your MKIs . . . SHs can enhance your MKI capability both as growler and escort tankers - Carrier capability not required. IAC-2 to enter service earliest by 2022. They could operat...
by GeorgeWelch
24 Jun 2014 22:25
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions
Replies: 5225
Views: 270723

Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

The Super Hornet would have been cheaper than Rafale and Eurofighter, but not by that much; Disagree, it's about half the price, especially when counting weapon systems (AMRAAM vs MICA). But then the question arises, why the Super Hornet over the Super Viper? - two seats - growler - tanker capabili...
by GeorgeWelch
24 Jun 2014 21:10
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions
Replies: 5225
Views: 270723

Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

For nostalgia's sake, I feel like reposting my first post here from over five years ago (I bolded some of the relevant parts) http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5067&start=80#p684187 (note: The following assumes that technology transfer and sovereignty issues are worked ou...
by GeorgeWelch
16 Jun 2014 11:27
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions
Replies: 5225
Views: 270723

Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

Which is to go back to its reliable friend France even though French equipment is inherently pricey. Calling France reliable is a joke. Just ask Argentina or Israel or possibly Russia. France looks after France, never forget it. The only thing you can say is that your interests haven't crossed . . ...
by GeorgeWelch
16 Jun 2014 08:58
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions
Replies: 5225
Views: 270723

Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

None of the IAF's current planes, including the MKI, could meet the RFP. Does that mean they are all useless? :D You answer your own question in the bolded part you wrote "None of the IAF's current planes, including the MKI, could meet the RFP." That is why to get additional capability MM...
by GeorgeWelch
16 Jun 2014 08:10
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions
Replies: 5225
Views: 270723

Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

Dhananjay wrote:SH couldn't even take off with load from leh, later they reduced all the load to just 2 missiles still it took double the runway of ef2k and Rafale to take off.


I like how this story grows with every telling.

"The fish was THISSSS big" :mrgreen:
by GeorgeWelch
16 Jun 2014 08:06
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions
Replies: 5225
Views: 270723

Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

Dhananjay wrote:IAF has been very thorough in creating these 643 parameters for its needs and operational experience. The teens failed in that so they're useless.


None of the IAF's current planes, including the MKI, could meet the RFP.

Does that mean they are all useless?
by GeorgeWelch
16 Jun 2014 07:12
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions
Replies: 5225
Views: 270723

Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

Why didn't you offer F-35 for MMRCA? Because it wasn't ready when the competition started. But there has been so much delay that now . . . At that time you and georgewelch were fighting for pathetic teens to be selected. The SH still would have been the best choice. Is the Rafale better in technica...
by GeorgeWelch
11 Jun 2014 03:46
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: PAK-FA and FGFA Thread
Replies: 4001
Views: 708087

Re: PAK-FA and FGFA Thread

Some better pictures of the damage

I know they say the aircraft will be repaired and it won't affect the timing of the test program . . . but the damage looks pretty severe.
by GeorgeWelch
26 May 2014 13:00
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: International Naval News & Discussion
Replies: 3498
Views: 554074

Re: International Naval News and Discussion

No such obligations exist with the French-Indian deal as no matter which scenario plays out, the French or Europe will never be threatened by a rising indian military stature. Did Argentina ever threaten France? Did Israel ever threaten France? The pattern is clear, France will do whatever is best ...
by GeorgeWelch
25 May 2014 00:21
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions
Replies: 5225
Views: 270723

Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

srin wrote:No - it won't bankrupt India. But it will eat a big chunk of the budget, making money unavailable for other projects - submarines - or our own R&D.


Which gets back to what I've said all along, it was a mistake to ignore cost in the MRCA.
by GeorgeWelch
24 May 2014 19:37
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions
Replies: 5225
Views: 270723

Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

Same price - 1000 LCA. More than enough to defend India. No F***king chinese general will think of taking on an Air-force with 1500 4+ Gen fighters (300 Su 30 MKI and 1200 LCA's). 100 and bankrupt OR 1000 and fighting strong >>> 100% sure our elected chaiwalla will answer this one right. Jai Ho! - ...
by GeorgeWelch
23 May 2014 23:25
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions
Replies: 5225
Views: 270723

Re: Raffy wins - Go Katrina!

Eric Leiderman wrote:(cost was a marginal factor in the MMRCA contest and only played a part in the last phase)


And now we see why that was a poor decision.
by GeorgeWelch
12 Apr 2014 21:34
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India-US Strategic News and Discussion
Replies: 14521
Views: 583386

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Anti-Modi US congressional resolution now has 51 co-sponsors Another proposed bill that isn't ever going to become law http://ibnlive.in.com/news/no-change-in-visa-policy-for-narendra-modi-says-us/451712-2.html Washington also made it clear that it was not taking any position on the upcoming Lok Sa...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Apr 2014 21:21
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Eastern Europe/Ukraine
Replies: 4026
Views: 160451

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine

Virupaksha wrote:may be because unlike the west, russia supports democracy and not violence powered thuggery


hmmm
by GeorgeWelch
12 Apr 2014 21:17
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Eastern Europe/Ukraine
Replies: 4026
Views: 160451

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine

According to US, Russia had the temerity to oppose a coup sponsored by them. That is where the whole of the whine from US lies. It's not 'opposing a coup' that bothers the west, it's the naked territorial expansion. Since WWII the standard has been that it's no longer acceptable for major powers to...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Apr 2014 21:10
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Eastern Europe/Ukraine
Replies: 4026
Views: 160451

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-language-lavrov-asselborn-627/ The new Ukraine’s first law revokes Russian language rights When ethnic russians are made second class citizens by a clique, they have a right to fear for their safety and to revolt against a western imposed clique. Of course this news isnt ...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Apr 2014 16:50
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Eastern Europe/Ukraine
Replies: 4026
Views: 160451

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine

^^ OT but couldn't resist. A fighter that was rejected on technical grounds by the end user .. the best for the end user .. Because a technical only analysis ignores the financial component, and India can no longer afford to ignore the financial component. Both technical and financial criteria need...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Apr 2014 16:35
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India-US Strategic News and Discussion
Replies: 14521
Views: 583386

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

It seems that the unkil has a very strong need to shape narratives. That wasn't so much 'shaping a narrative' as 'correcting blatant falsehoods.' That some one or the other is always at hand to defend the unkil. Well there are over 300 million of us. I know that may not seem like a lot to you, but ...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Apr 2014 16:28
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Eastern Europe/Ukraine
Replies: 4026
Views: 160451

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine

Careful, all ye posters, our friend GeorgeWelch is possibly the best at arguing-close-to-trolling that you can get , in the business. his battles on how the f 18 is the best fighter for the IAF are legendary. And I've been proven correct :D The Eurocanards are far too expensive for the capability o...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Apr 2014 16:26
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Eastern Europe/Ukraine
Replies: 4026
Views: 160451

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine

UlanBatori wrote:What happened in Crimea, ITOH, happened after these events, and as a reaction to the Kiev goons and the "laws" that they passed, destroying the rights and lives of the ethnic Russian citizens of Ukraine.


How exactly were the lives of ethnic Russians 'destroyed'
by GeorgeWelch
12 Apr 2014 16:21
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Eastern Europe/Ukraine
Replies: 4026
Views: 160451

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine

So you are okay with Putin, Castro or Chavez coming and funding communists and terrorist rallies in washington dc? If they want to hold a peacefully rally, sure. regarding the bolded part in your post, :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: , I can only laugh. Why? Do you deny that they happened or are happening?
by GeorgeWelch
12 Apr 2014 16:20
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Eastern Europe/Ukraine
Replies: 4026
Views: 160451

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine

I can say with confidence that 80% of those were paid, for the simple reason - who was paying for their foods, beds , toilets during their maidan drama? Then why can't Russia get crowds that big? We all know who the armed thugs were? Do you really want me to go through all the atrocities from Yanuk...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Apr 2014 15:22
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Eastern Europe/Ukraine
Replies: 4026
Views: 160451

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine

What happened in Ukraine wasnt a revolution, it was a western backed coup. If the US sheep come out of the nyt and wapo brainwashing, they would see the world more clearly and not jump whenever US foreign ministry asks them to jump, only asking how high. I guess all the hundreds of thousands of Ukr...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Apr 2014 15:20
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Eastern Europe/Ukraine
Replies: 4026
Views: 160451

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine

McCain addressing the anti-govt rally in Kiev US Senators addressing rallies to overthrow a democratically elected government is not interference, right? 1. The rallies weren't necessarily to overthrow the government at that time, they were to get the government to change its course. 2. No. Giving ...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Apr 2014 15:16
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Eastern Europe/Ukraine
Replies: 4026
Views: 160451

Re: Eastern Europe/Ukraine

What government of Ukraine? That clique which was hoisted on the ukranian people through snipers and guns? That mafia which overthrew a legitimately democratically elected government? A western puppet doesnt make a govt , it makes for a mafia. You do a grave disservice to the brave people of Ukrain...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Apr 2014 15:04
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India-US Strategic News and Discussion
Replies: 14521
Views: 583386

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

and note so much of a whisper of what the Portuguese were doing so far from home converting people to an alien faith Because it wasn't germane to the point, which was rebutting SanjayC's claims To refresh your memory, here is the thread. I recall several posts detailing the history where US engaged...

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