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by GeorgeWelch
20 Jan 2016 21:55
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 223188

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

Everything, including the 29K, is limited by the ski jump Not the F-35B. 850 km combat radius on internal fuel. It depends on how long your flight deck is. F-35B needs about 800ft + ski jump + wind to take off at max weight. Anything less and it will be limited and weight (fuel and/or ordnance) wil...
by GeorgeWelch
20 Jan 2016 19:37
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 223188

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

Austin wrote:Also I think the carrier with ski jump means you cant fully exploit the Rafale , so options are limited to what IN has purchased


Everything, including the 29K, is limited by the ski jump
by GeorgeWelch
15 Jan 2016 03:46
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 223188

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/Xak3Zj4G7S4GgLoldRHk8M/Govt-said-to-expand-Rafale-warplane-deal-before-Francois-Hol.html The nations have also resolved what equipment, systems and weapons would go into the jet http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/why-indias-deal-for-36-rafale-fighter-jets-is-still-being-...
by GeorgeWelch
05 Jan 2016 00:54
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 223188

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

what ToT is included?
by GeorgeWelch
26 Nov 2015 14:15
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 22 April 2015
Replies: 4211
Views: 315963

Re: Indian Naval News & Discussion - 22 April 2015

of course the ultimate reason the u-boats were never going to win the war is that even if the UK was knocked out, the Soviets still would have steam-rolled over them . . . With the western & southern flanks secured and no Allied strategic bombing campaign to contend with? Doubtful. you see the ...
by GeorgeWelch
26 Nov 2015 13:47
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 22 April 2015
Replies: 4211
Views: 315963

Re: Indian Naval News & Discussion - 22 April 2015

Warning from the past.Hitler ignored his navy and neglected the role of his subs,and sealed his fate. Indian Navy,take note please. first of all it would be wrong to say Hitler neglected subs. From the outbreak of war, when he wanted new naval construction to be the highest priority, to the end, wh...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Sep 2015 11:06
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: International Aerospace Discussion
Replies: 4918
Views: 583779

Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Base cost of the SH is $50 million. Base cost is useless for follow on orders. It is calculated by the total capital expenditure divided by the number of units. At the moment the USN is not paying $50 Million for each Super Hornet (the last ones they bought). The 2013 F-18E/F order adjusted up to 2...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Sep 2015 10:41
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: International Aerospace Discussion
Replies: 4918
Views: 583779

Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Pentagon Asks Congress to Reverse Decision to Add 12 Super Hornets for Navy That's the Secretary of Defense (ie the Obama administration), not the Navy. The Navy's request hasn't changed, and the Navy has lots of friends in Congress (as does Boeing). Meanwhile every country that had the option of t...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Sep 2015 10:36
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: International Aerospace Discussion
Replies: 4918
Views: 583779

Re: International Aerospace Discussion

Fortunately for us, it won't be 50% cheaper. [RAAF:- SH: A$150 mil, F-35A: A$190 mil (both figures at 2015 prices - excl. A$1.4bn in base upgrades not relevant to India)] Those numbers are comparing different things. Base cost of the SH is $50 million. Base cost of the F-35A is still over $130 mill...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Sep 2015 10:10
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: International Naval News & Discussion
Replies: 3370
Views: 457103

Re: International Naval News and Discussion

For 36 that is not a major concern. No one is placing a 126 aircraft order or even a follow on order anytime soon Exactly why the Rafale is unsuitable for the IAF and the SH is the right choice. If you want to attribute the Australian Indian Purchase of the Super Hornet Rafale to Boeing's Dassa...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Sep 2015 08:42
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: International Naval News & Discussion
Replies: 3370
Views: 457103

Re: International Naval News and Discussion

If it were this simply your Next Generation jammer would not be carrying humongous pods but just 10 of these lugged around using a cable. The ALE-55 is a self-protection jammer, the NGJ is a stand-off jammer, they serve very different roles. A towed decoy no matter how advanced it is is still limit...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Sep 2015 08:28
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: International Naval News & Discussion
Replies: 3370
Views: 457103

Re: International Naval News and Discussion

A lot of emphases on EW can be countered because equally agile nodes are available to air-defense makers and you cannot not be agile as a jammer because that leaves you vulnerable to HOJ seekers ... That is a very curious argument you make. Basically you're saying that all those integrated jammers ...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Sep 2015 07:47
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: International Naval News & Discussion
Replies: 3370
Views: 457103

Re: International Naval News and Discussion

http://www.baesystems.com/cs/groups/public/documents/document/mdaw/mdm5/~edisp/baes_019923.pdf You act like the SH doesn't have built-in jamming capability, which again is nonsense. It does not. The Super Hornet has Electronic warfare protection as a countermeasure against a launched weapon. The Spe...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Sep 2015 07:11
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: International Naval News & Discussion
Replies: 3370
Views: 457103

Re: International Naval News and Discussion

brar_w wrote:
Incorrect.

I suggest you read up on it. It does precisely what you say it doesn't.


From the developers website


That is the ALE-50. I said the ALE-55.

Completely different product from a different company despite the similar name.

Try again.
by GeorgeWelch
12 Sep 2015 05:32
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: International Naval News & Discussion
Replies: 3370
Views: 457103

Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Incorrect. ALE-55 Go back and read up on it and the difference between an acquisition radar jammer and a towed decoy. The Towed decoy is a matter of last resort against an incoming SAM, while the Spectra and the Falcon Edge like systems are designed to confuse the larger acquisition radars on the g...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Sep 2015 05:00
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Military Aviation- September 29 2013
Replies: 3967
Views: 134644

Re: Indian Military Aviation- September 29 2013

IJT The IJT has gone through weight gain at clean weight 4250Kg and MTOW of 5400Kg from HAL website. Sankum all planes show a weight increase between "clean" configuration and fully loaded (MTOW= Max Take Off Weight) configuration. That is no more weight gain that a schoolboy gains weight...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Sep 2015 04:47
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 223188

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

Nobody in their right mind would opt for the SH over the F-35. http://breakingdefense.com/2015/03/ew-fighter-trends-could-save-boeing-growlerhornet-line/ Pentagon leaders are pushing hard to keep up the momentum of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. Many in the Navy, though, still look longingly back a...
by GeorgeWelch
12 Sep 2015 04:37
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: International Naval News & Discussion
Replies: 3370
Views: 457103

Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Incorrect. Those ranges are idealized and nothing close to reality , especially with Growler support. Also there is JASSM. And you base that (Bold portion) on what exactly? Reality. Ranges are always given in idealized conditions and the real world is never ideal. It also makes certain assumptions ...
by GeorgeWelch
11 Sep 2015 22:24
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: International Naval News & Discussion
Replies: 3370
Views: 457103

Re: International Naval News and Discussion

- the USN has only the JSOW for stand off land attack, they did not procure any JASSM after walking out of the program I didn't say they did. But it is an option that is available if they feel the need. They don't feel the need. Which should tell you something about their level of comfort with thei...
by GeorgeWelch
11 Sep 2015 21:46
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: International Naval News & Discussion
Replies: 3370
Views: 457103

Re: International Naval News and Discussion

The SH and JSOW cannot get to a fight against a near peer especially when the engagement ranges of larger S300+ and S400 radars are in the 400 km region and the SAM ranges are pushing to the 200+ Km as well. Incorrect. Those ranges are idealized and nothing close to reality, especially with Growler...
by GeorgeWelch
11 Sep 2015 21:03
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 223188

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

It'll only be marginally cheaper than F-35 I wouldn't call 50% cheaper 'marginally'. No 'the same' can not be said about the Rafale & Tejas because the requirements for two in their home markets are nowhere near complete, unlike the USN which wants no more new SHs. New orders don't matter. If y...
by GeorgeWelch
11 Sep 2015 20:55
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: International Naval News & Discussion
Replies: 3370
Views: 457103

Re: International Naval News and Discussion

And yet you said nothing about the USN relying on the USAF, which is nonsense. The writing is on the wall. The USN has no kick down the door or first day attack platform until they get the Joint Strike Figther towards the end of this decade. Incorrect. That is in fact what the SH + JSOW + Growler d...
by GeorgeWelch
11 Sep 2015 20:21
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: International Naval News & Discussion
Replies: 3370
Views: 457103

Re: International Naval News and Discussion

incorrect I can debate this all day. And yet you said nothing about the USN relying on the USAF, which is nonsense. In fact, that's why they created the Growler program, so they could handle it by themselves. No one is going to buy the Rhino now unless they can't afford 5th generation capability Li...
by GeorgeWelch
11 Sep 2015 20:11
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 223188

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

Incorrect. The F-35 replaces the original Hornet, the F-35 and SH are supposed to serve side-by-side for years to come. Irrelevant as far as its Indian prospects and further production in general, is concerned*. I would have thought that was obvious from the context. It's perfectly relevant because...
by GeorgeWelch
11 Sep 2015 18:46
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: International Naval News & Discussion
Replies: 3370
Views: 457103

Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Successive CNO's have driven the Naval aviation doctrine away from first attack to being strike platforms that come in once the USAF has sanitized the area for them to operate in through its Air Superiority figthers incorrect The USN built an aircraft in the Super Hornet that works ONLY for them an...
by GeorgeWelch
11 Sep 2015 18:11
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 223188

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

SH of course. A type that's been rendered utterly irrelevant by the F-35. Incorrect. The F-35 replaces the original Hornet, the F-35 and SH are supposed to serve side-by-side for years to come. The only feasible replacement is the Tejas Mk1. A type that's been rendered utterly irrelevant by the F-3...
by GeorgeWelch
11 Sep 2015 13:16
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 223188

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

Philip wrote:So what will fill the yawning gap of 160+ aircraft for which we've small change in the pocket?


SH of course.
by GeorgeWelch
06 Sep 2015 07:58
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Military Aviation- September 29 2013
Replies: 3967
Views: 134644

Re: Indian Military Aviation- September 29 2013

http://www.financialexpress.com/article/economy/iaf-keen-on-us-scorpion-aircraft-offer/130244/ IAF keen on US Scorpion aircraft offer After asking state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) to stop work on the intermediate jet trainers (IJT), the Indian Air Force (IAF) is now keen on the US offer of Te...
by GeorgeWelch
04 Sep 2015 18:33
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 223188

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

In contrast, where is the Rafale going to fly "low and fast and penetrate", to Yunan provnce or Guizhou province at the most. What is Yunan province in the overall scheme of things for China, its something like Agartala being wiped out for India or maybe Dibrugarh. To hurt China and to be...
by GeorgeWelch
03 Sep 2015 12:15
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 223188

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

Rafale: Costly today - but is the future supply of spares and immunity from sanctions built into the cost? I don't have the data to answer this question Let us be honest, sanctions would only matter if they happened during a war with China, and if there's one country that would be willing to bend o...
by GeorgeWelch
31 Aug 2015 08:38
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Military Aviation- September 29 2013
Replies: 3967
Views: 134644

Re: Indian Military Aviation- September 29 2013

Vivek K wrote:Make in India vs Fake in India -which is the way forward for India?


It's not an either/or problem.

There will be elements of both.
by GeorgeWelch
31 Aug 2015 07:47
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 223188

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

http://www.punemirror.in/pune/civic/Rafale-deal-in-its-final-stages-IAF-chief-Raha/articleshow/48725676.cms Although the purchase of 36 Dassault Rafale combat jets had hit a roadblock, Air Chief Marshal Arup Rahal said the deal is in its "final stages". . . . "The government is workin...
by GeorgeWelch
29 Aug 2015 01:15
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 223188

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

but the progress of the thread narrative ends up being extremely negative and hurtful to the IAF. Trust me, the IAF is not 'hurt' by any thread here. They are not here to win any popularity contests. In fact it is a sign of strength to freely allow criticism, because criticism doesn't worry you. Ei...
by GeorgeWelch
29 Aug 2015 00:09
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 223188

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

Has France sold weapons to China ? No and I haven't heard about any intiative since quite a some time now. Not in the current French agenda. And anyway it is EU that decides not France. http://thediplomat.com/2012/04/eu-should-keep-china-arms-embargo/ Since late 2003, France has sustained a campaig...
by GeorgeWelch
28 Aug 2015 03:50
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 223188

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

arthuro wrote:So why is the IAF isn't purchasing your beloved F35, aditional MKI or even LCA ?


Well if the IAF isn't going to buy anything besides Rafale it's pretty screwed as it can't afford enough to make up for falling numbers.
by GeorgeWelch
28 Aug 2015 02:06
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Transport Aircraft for IAF
Replies: 3701
Views: 307645

Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Antonov proposes An-188, an An-70 variant with turbofans instead of turboprops

http://www.janes.com/article/52287/paris-air-show-2015-antonov-reveals-an-188-strategic-transport-aircraft
by GeorgeWelch
26 Aug 2015 01:31
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015
Replies: 3973
Views: 223188

Re: IAF Rafale News and Discussions - 26 May 2015

Whether there is an official 'Plan B' right now or not is irrelevant. If the need arises they can always create it. Saying 'There is no Plan B' is just trying to convey that they are committed to the current plan. HOWEVER, if the current plan falls through, well then of course they'll come up with s...
by GeorgeWelch
08 Aug 2015 22:59
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014
Replies: 3031
Views: 433809

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9 , 2014

1. V Som In all dog fighting exercises, IAF Sukhois were able to turn sharply into the extremely agile Typhoons using their thrust-vectored engines to keep the RAF jets locked in their sights When you can fire behind yourself, the entire concept of 'in your sights' is meaningless. edit: to clarify,...
by GeorgeWelch
08 Aug 2015 22:48
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014
Replies: 3031
Views: 433809

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9 , 2014

David Cameron patronizingly even urged India to "reconsider" its Rafale decision after the announcement. You're confusing 'being patronizing' with 'good economic sense'. The Russians, the Swedes and the Americans all did the same thing. No one gives up hope until the contract is official,...
by GeorgeWelch
08 Aug 2015 11:15
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014
Replies: 3031
Views: 433809

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9 , 2014

Why dont you give the same advise to the RAF Chief who went publicly in 2009 Ex Ind and said IAF lost ....what about Chief courtesy and trying to praise opponent I don't recall that incident, but if it's as you describe then I would say the same thing to him. I do recall the one USAF officer talkin...

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