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by chackojoseph
07 Jan 2015 10:29
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

The plus point of the ops is that it will raise the cost for Pakis to communicate and take weirder routes for smuggling etc. The other side is UAE, Iran/ Oman etc who have also some good interception capabilities. Once they have a narrow corridor to operate they become more vulnerable. This puts pre...
by chackojoseph
05 Jan 2015 16:26
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Chacko Sir,does the SOP says that CG has to inform Navy about every smuggler / fisherman they apprehend? Apparently, both Navy and CG got the intel at the same time. CG acted and Navy didn't. Who's operating procedure are we checking? As per SOP, all and sundry should be informed. Hypothetically if...
by chackojoseph
05 Jan 2015 12:11
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

chackoji, good PR by GoI still won't prevent Praveen Swami types from coming up with imaginary grandma theories and creating confusion and doubt in the minds of Indian readers. How do we solve that problem? MOD could bar all agencies from talking to the media directly during these incidents and ins...
by chackojoseph
05 Jan 2015 11:02
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Chacko, I can understand your scepticism in the turn of events. However, these guys were not innocent fisherman and fled a coast guard boat. They deserved their death. I also have some doubts on why navy and marine police were not in the loop. It could be incompetence or a new SOP that we are not a...
by chackojoseph
05 Jan 2015 05:46
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135226

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Another point of contention is the guarantee clause under which Rafale has to stand guarantee for the planes that would be manufactured by state-owned HAL. As per the RFP issued in 2007, the first 18 jets are to be imported and the rest 108 manufactured under licence by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (H...
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 17:07
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

I appreciate all the views. However, I look at the way I see it and understand.
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 16:26
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Chackoji, we may believe your theory, but it should not be linked to anyway to Parveen Swami. If you have any other sources (other than Parveen), you can quote, if not, your are just baiting others for circular discussions. Just see the track record of that bustard Parveen Swami and all of his past...
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 15:41
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

CG contradiction, this time with name Only 1 suspect visible, cops too had intel (Indian Coast Guard commander (North West), Kuldip Singh) Sheoran claimed that the ICG ship had seen only one of the four suspects on board. He also said that the Coast Guard fired four warning shots on the boat, which ...
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 12:54
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Chakoji, It cannot be "anything". Like I said, it cannot be high caliber, it cannot be HE rounds, as both would shred the boat to pieces. What else? Machine gun fire? If so they should have fired it from close range at considerable risk to themselves. What are the odds that a round ended ...
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 12:47
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135226

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Excellent research for finding where the author got that figure from, thanks And then of course thanks to Viv S for explaining why that figure isn't particularly relevant. Not really. Even if the Rafale is equivalent to SU-30 MKI cost, even then, as per the def ministers logic (not mine), is costly...
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 12:40
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Varuna wrote:You cannot *inflame* liquor by just shooting at it. They would have to be incendiary rounds.


I did not specify the munitions. it could be anything.

Also the second boat can be either the boat that had transferred or come to take the transfer. This is my hypothesis.
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 12:29
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

The chatter is that the use of munitions by CG inflamed the liquor which burnt the boat. Liquor was onboard since the transfer did not take place. My estimation is : It could also be that the liquor transfer too to the pakistan boat as liquor is smuggled into that goddam country due to prohibition. ...
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 12:20
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Still, I can see only discrepancy part. All are only clearing up that. Disproportionate force use is a not an insult. It has to be explained by the personal concerned why it was necessary. The term is used by the MoD itself and not journos. Why is the question UAV not being used a disrespect? I am n...
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 12:11
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Here is a different version from the so called govt sources new evidence has begun to emerge that those on board might have been small-time liquor and diesel smugglers, ferrying bootleg cargo from the port of Gwadar ... There is also a suggestion of use of disproportionate force since the fishing b...
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 11:39
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

They have a PR cell. I don't know about twitter.
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 11:21
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135226

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

How about an Su MKI with conformal fuel tanks and enhanced self protection suites and a better AESA radar .. could very well be better than Rafales! ..also MKI is not the last word on the su 30 airframe !.. There is something dubbed as super flanker. It possibly has a roadmap for flankers including...
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 11:14
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

I have not seen a single news item where they have been disrespected. The discrepancy in claims are being questioned.
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 10:46
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Again, discrepancy.

CG says it sunk and then returns with the charred remains of the boat. here is depth chart http://oceana.org/en/explore/marine-places/arabian-sea
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 10:24
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135226

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

GeorgeWelch wrote:
chackojoseph wrote:Same day or a day after the defence minister gave the figures.


Do you have a link to him giving those figures? I've looked and can't find where it's listed.


You have already quoted the link in the first post.
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 10:13
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Pak boat explosion: Intercepts under scrutiny as Coast guard ship returns The anti national journos were not wrong after all. However, forensic experts contacted by The Sunday Express noted that photographs of the burning boat showed its structure was intact, a fact inconsistent with the explosions...
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 10:01
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Chako are you aware of Navy assets at/around Porbandar? Geeth, this incident is 365 kms off Porbandar. Please be clear about that. Navy has UAV assets there. NOIC (Gujarat) is an operational office, meaning it controls the assets deployed there (though UAV is under WNC direct command). It has respo...
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 09:00
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135226

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

In this context, I am stating the defence ministers brief and Ajay Bannerjee's article timing as asked by GeorgeWelch. it was reply to a specific question.
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 08:56
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

yea put two words of the CG, put 3 words of yours and 5 of sources and muddy the waters and stir the pot - all in the name of so called journalism. And why not? I am not from PIB or a government spokesman. This time, except Praveen Swamy (who always bats for pakis in my opinion) , all the journalis...
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 08:38
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

yea I will take a fishing boat for a trip to thailand because you see - there was a shortage of weapons in an area where the ltte could get weapons to its hearts content. Oh hold it - its diesel - correct they were taking diesel to Thailand. No - liquor?? It can also be arms transfer at sea for the...
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 08:16
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Surya wrote:so they come close to the coast to exchange?? seriously

or they decide they would go the land route to thailand


If you read the MV A Rainbow incident, the ship had nearly taken same route as a short cut.

I don't know if 365 kms from shore is coast. You seem to have new definition.
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 07:44
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Wireless intercepts indicate ‘terror’ boats were in touch with Pakistani army Sources privy to the wireless intercepts, which led technical intelligence agency NTRO to alert the Coast Guard, claimed that the "contact" also talked to someone in Thailand on a frequent basis. So one more the...
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 07:26
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

SOP is very clear from the innumerable exercises. Hence the questions. Navy has all the right resources for thejob and it can ask for CG ships too. Only 1 CG ship was used to chase 2 terror ships? Is that we are being fed? As per CG release the CG ships and a/c are searching for possible survivors. ...
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 07:11
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135226

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

Same day or a day after the defence minister gave the figures.
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 07:09
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

“That the Pakistani men on board blew themselves up with the boat shows that they were on a suicide mission. If they were ordinary smugglers, why did they run towards Pakistani waters when challenged,” a top defence ministry official said. “The coast guard did not target the boat but the satellite ...
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 06:57
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014
Replies: 3963
Views: 135226

Re: Rafale & MMRCA News and Discussions-9 August, 2014

GeorgeWelch wrote:Ajay Banerjee does not approve the checks.


He has quoted official figures.
by chackojoseph
04 Jan 2015 06:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

If the IN was not in the loop for this operation it is a matter of some concern , not because things did not go well this time, but because of its implications for future encounters e.g. if Pakistan believes that the Indian Coast Guard is all that it has to deal with in the future when sending more...
by chackojoseph
03 Jan 2015 22:04
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

ravi_g, It is getting repetitive with no disrespects to you. Why NTRO did not ask the Navy first, which is officially responsible. That is the question. This is confusing. Anyway, more confusion on the way. MoD says that it was Arabian Sea deal. NTRO says - The occupants of the two explosives-laden ...
by chackojoseph
03 Jan 2015 21:48
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Shiv ji, chackojoseph ji, IN has 'overall' responsibility for coastal intel too post 26/11 does not mean that the Indian Navy has to discharge its responsibilities to the utter exclusion of ICG assets. The reports keep mentioning that: 1) they saw a vessel 2) also saw 4 people in it (not stated at ...
by chackojoseph
03 Jan 2015 21:39
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013
Replies: 3964
Views: 132981

Re: LCA News and Discussions, 22-Oct-2013

Prasad, You are right on your point. FOC is achieved while in services. It is not necessary to wait for FOC to complete. In Europe they call it Trance. IAF is doing a mistake like it did for MKI. Unless LCA is flown for multiple hours in realtime conditions, we will not understand the issues. We wi...
by chackojoseph
03 Jan 2015 21:24
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

rgsrini, see, as mentioned. The first reaction was of disbelief that navy was not involved. It is till a shock for me, who have been drilled since 2010 that navy is responsible. Navy has UAV's and MIS which is used to pass info to Navy, CG etc. That is how they have been training. The bullet hitting...
by chackojoseph
03 Jan 2015 21:11
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

When we talk of terrorists returning fire we need to remember that the CG ship has a 30 mm gun with a 2-4 km range. The terrorists are likely to have had AK 47s with an affective range of about 1000 meters or less. The CG ship is unlikely to have deliberately come within range of AK 47 fire to make...
by chackojoseph
03 Jan 2015 20:52
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

It is a strange form of public and media naivete that asks if Navy was involved or not in this kind of action. The coast guard exists for this role. Navy is the over all incharge as per the govt after 9/11 and in no ambiguous words. There is no change in policy till now. All exercises including Def...
by chackojoseph
03 Jan 2015 20:46
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

BTW A point that is not being discussed is that our Naval installations in Gujarat are vulnerable to jehadi strikes from the sea too (recall PNS Mehran). So are BSFs Floating BOPs and posts in the Sir Creek region. Some $ 55-60 billion worth of refined petrochemical products are exported from here....
by chackojoseph
03 Jan 2015 20:06
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat
Replies: 969
Views: 34764

Re: Breaking news: Coast guard intercepted terrorist boat

Sagar G wrote:So chacko what is your CT ???


if you mean email id then frontierindia at gmail dat com

Aditya G,

Yes. See the problem is that Navy has the best assets to locate something in sea. They were bypassed.

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