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by member_22906
07 Oct 2012 07:58
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169904

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Good post Karan M surya has already made the point to you, but you will not listen or understand since you are determined to blame the Indian Army for Blue Star. I have blamed IA for tactics not strategy. In fact have defended IA from accusations here of rights violations, desecration etc. Whats the...
by member_22906
07 Oct 2012 02:16
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169904

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

^^

My friend, if you say Harmandir Sahib is just a building then there is nothing I have to say to you...

If this was so effective, the supposed brinkmanship, then why did we have another situation when Op Black Thunder was finally planned and executed?
by member_22906
07 Oct 2012 01:52
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169904

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

and the NSG was formed because of BS and hence all the things possible in BT - so yes thats in hindsight BT was possible because BS occurred. Agreed. But to state that was the appropriate option since we can't say for sure what was the context is overlooking some basics - firstly, you always need t...
by member_22906
07 Oct 2012 01:06
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169904

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Some of the primary differences between BS and BT were: a) Specialist forces used in BT - trained for CT operations b) Ground intelligence was taken in BT c) Snipers were used as one of the primary tools for cleaning out the scum in BT d) Wait and watch was the preferred approach than jumping in BS ...
by member_22906
07 Oct 2012 00:42
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169904

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Hurried operations by nature are screwed up on both strategy and execution. There is nothing about hindsight or the ease of saying in this...
by member_22906
07 Oct 2012 00:18
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169904

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

This is my last post on this topic... The problem in UK and Canada is that a lot of Sikh immigrants came from the villages and have maintained the village links w/o getting the broader understanding and context of how Punjab has transitioned from the time they or their parents immigrated. They are g...
by member_22906
06 Oct 2012 11:10
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169904

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Attack on Harmandir Sahib in Op Blue Star was a classic case of "how not to" - be it in terms of poor tactics, inapprorpiate equipment, lack of clear objectives, timing, failure of ground intelligence etc... Op Black Thunder on the other hand was a classic case of "how to". There...
by member_22906
29 Sep 2012 16:53
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Kargil War Thread - VI
Replies: 1341
Views: 241310

Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

^^ My last post on this and will try to keep it simple and short... What I didn't say or mean: a) India lost the Kargil War b) Kargil warranted "total war" (as what the aam admi understands as total war - not your understanding) c) You are an idiot (We can agree to disagree and that is fin...
by member_22906
29 Sep 2012 12:35
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Kargil War Thread - VI
Replies: 1341
Views: 241310

Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

playing along -- conserving strength and resources and the moral high ground -- was the smart thing to do. .............. not waging (war)... is delusional ???? :shock: Anyone who would say that total war with the TSP was the only option for a Kargil response; clearly has been proven wrong by histo...
by member_22906
29 Sep 2012 11:53
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Kargil War Thread - VI
Replies: 1341
Views: 241310

Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

RK Clauswitz and other jazz apart, I see your position flawed. Inspite of acting with restraint and demonstrating greater statesmanship in Kargil, what did we achieve? What did we strive to achieve and did we achieve it? Has Pakistan stopped its war against India? Has it been declared a terrorist st...
by member_22906
29 Sep 2012 01:12
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Kargil War Thread - VI
Replies: 1341
Views: 241310

Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

^^ Restraint should not equal to weakness This self righteous dharmic philosophy is fine with rational humans.... Here you are dealing with irrational pigs. Waging a war for the sake of it is not what I am proposing, but not waging one since "anyone who has ever been in a position of power, eve...
by member_22906
26 Sep 2012 23:53
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Indian Naval Discussion
Replies: 5409
Views: 216998

Re: Indian Naval Discussion

That begs the question. If the size has increased substantially, why is there no substantial increase in the armament? In layman terms, what is the use of a significantly bigger ship if it doesn't carry more missiles? Longer endurance at sea More real estate for bigger and more equipment (electroni...
by member_22906
23 Sep 2012 16:50
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Siachen News & Discussion
Replies: 2945
Views: 192999

Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Why are we even quoting and then discussing garbage from a Paki publication. Do we really think there is going to be objectivity and truth when it comes to reporting about India, over there?
by member_22906
17 Sep 2012 23:19
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468313

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

^^ Thanks RV Thats what I thought too. What is confusing is that as per Janes it was more than 180. Moreover, a (new) program called metamorphosis from IOB is at a prototype stage http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes-Armour-and-Artillery/Upgraded-155-mm-45-calibre-Metamorphosis-artillery-system-...
by member_22906
17 Sep 2012 20:22
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468313

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

^^
How many 130mm do we have and how many have been upgunned to 155mm? Material on internet is scattered and limited, so asking...
by member_22906
15 Sep 2012 08:27
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169904

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

^^ There you are... It is these becoming fashionable to jump the gun and blame the Army for almost everything that ails in this country by a few people here. It looks as if they are hated more than the Pakis. Remember, when the chips are down, its camaraderie that can hold men together. So all in al...
by member_22906
12 Sep 2012 14:25
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169904

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

^^ These type of incidents have happened in the past. The only difference is since media has taken a liking to beat the Armed Forces (esp. Army), it gets reported more often than not. Army stations like Deolali, Mhow, Ahmednagar, Jallandhar, Jabalpur, Pune, Hyderabad, Pathankot, Bathinda, etc. etc, ...
by member_22906
29 Aug 2012 19:55
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468313

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

+1
by member_22906
19 Aug 2012 17:06
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169904

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

^^

Didn't understand your post vishvak
by member_22906
19 Aug 2012 16:14
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion
Replies: 4358
Views: 174079

Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

http://livefist.blogspot.in/2012/08/new-nag-carrier-botches-trials.html The July trials of an improved version of DRDO's Nag missile carrier (NAMICA) at the Mahajan Field Firing Range (MFFR) in Rajasthan have ended badly, say reports. Apart from most of the missiles under test failing to hit their ...
by member_22906
19 Aug 2012 11:56
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169904

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

It'll be interesting to find out what is the basis of regular human consumption - IOW, what is the level of physical activity (calorie burn) expected for arriving @ 460 gms I personally feel this audit finding is as bizarre as an audit finding which questioned why the Light AD 23mm guns were being u...
by member_22906
15 Aug 2012 17:08
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169904

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

^^ I am not a guru, but surely these 2 are not competing but for 2 very different scenarios. There are pros and cons for both. For e.g., LCH will be ineffective if there isnt adequate air superiority over the battlefield. You'll have issues if the enemy has enough and more SAMs/MANPADs. LCH will pro...
by member_22906
05 Aug 2012 18:25
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Su-30: News and Discussion
Replies: 3957
Views: 850820

Re: Su-30: News and Discussion

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Design should cater to reducing the DPMO (Defects Per Million Opportunities). This is a classic case which would require a design change to avoid such mistakes in future
by member_22906
03 Aug 2012 09:37
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Military Aviation- Jan 10 2012
Replies: 4239
Views: 169048

Re: Indian Military Aviation- Jan 10 2012

My 0.02$ on the current HAL related topic... There are a fair no. of former HAL/ADA/CABS etc. employees in my current orgn. and some of the common experiences they most shared about the previous employment are: a) Great learning experience b) More exposure to high end work there than here (partly al...
by member_22906
17 Jul 2012 00:20
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Indian Naval Discussion
Replies: 5409
Views: 216998

Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Already commented in the INS Vikrant thread on this news report. It seems more of media management by Navy post the news of the IAC-1 delay. This news says nothing more than what we know already
by member_22906
17 Jul 2012 00:14
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: INS Vikrant News and Discussion
Replies: 1813
Views: 170062

Re: INS Vikrant News and Discussion

^^ I am a believer and I believe in miracles. But the article only says that the design work has started. Unfortunately, it doesnt mean anything till a firm order is placed and (ofcourse) specs like displacement, weapons systems and radars, sourcing of critical components - right from engines, to ge...
by member_22906
15 Jul 2012 11:37
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Military Aviation- Jan 10 2012
Replies: 4239
Views: 169048

Re: Indian Military Aviation- Jan 10 2012

It'll be interesting to see the tactics that will be adopted for deploying Rudra. This would be the first serious attempt by IA to field weaponized choppers. I predict a lot of future acquisitions/approvals for Army Aviation will be contingent on how quickly these are integrated into the ORBAT
by member_22906
14 Jul 2012 01:00
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: LCA News and Discussions
Replies: 4264
Views: 176041

Re: LCA News and Discussions

I've heard of things that are unheard of in the US or India- having beer or wine during lunch breaks. This happens quite frequently in Germany where a few of my colleagues have worked. They say that its not at all frowned upon for a guy to have a couple of beers at lunch and then come back to work....
by member_22906
13 Jul 2012 18:58
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: New Trash Thread (5555) (DO NOT DELETE)
Replies: 103
Views: 13210

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

If moderators don't remove posts from Chanakaya etc - then all I can say is that this forum is no different than one of the TSP forums or some other rabid country's rakshak forum - we are a different (read better) breed... I hope most of us realize that...
by member_22906
09 Jul 2012 00:11
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169904

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Kargil was a good lesson for us to create the role of CDS to enable decision-making seamlessly across the services What really surprises me is the procrastination by MoD/GoI in making a decision (irrespecitve of whether it is BJP or Congress). What is it that they are afraid of? How much can (or rat...
by member_22906
01 Jul 2012 22:07
Forum: Military Issues Archive
Topic: Indian Naval Discussion
Replies: 5409
Views: 216998

Re: Indian Naval Discussion

^^
Nitpick question, so take it FWIW... Why call it P17A when its supposed to be a clean break?
by member_22906
01 Jul 2012 12:44
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169904

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

The saddest part is that IA just kept shut for so many years and (many Army chiefs came and went). It really sounds bizzare and a good script for some Bollywood drama :(
by member_22906
30 Jun 2012 20:41
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011
Replies: 6593
Views: 665078

Re: China Military Watch - Jan 11, 2011

^^
and what is good in Iran getting the J20? Iran has had a nasty habit of supporting TSP whenever the crunch time comes
by member_22906
30 Jun 2012 14:54
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc
Replies: 3094
Views: 261317

Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

rohitvats, whats your mail ID? Wanted to share some inputs
by member_22906
12 Jun 2012 21:40
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468313

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

^^
Bofors were using Scania trucks, Ramanji. Not sure whats the scene in recent years
by member_22906
30 May 2012 03:42
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: The Trash Thread in the Trash Can (Use 4545 to Merge Posts)
Replies: 1207
Views: 80905

Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Peter, there were Hindu Muslim baggages perhaps, but a lot of treachery was not for religion but for self gain... and enough within co-religionists to put up an equally strong argument that opposes your conclusion. So to paint a black vs white picture is not right
by member_22906
30 May 2012 03:39
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: The Trash Thread in the Trash Can (Use 4545 to Merge Posts)
Replies: 1207
Views: 80905

Re: Siachen News & Discussion

johneeG, first things first, I am an advocate of not vacating Siachen. Second thing, I come from a family with several generations having served in IA and the princely armies etc. Though never joined the forces, have experienced the stress of carrying the thought of losing one's kith and kin. Thirdl...

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