Search found 305 matches

by member_22906
29 Sep 2013 22:18
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion
Replies: 4022
Views: 206570

Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Welcome back CJ. Nice to see you posting on BR As regards, no vertical launch of Brahmos done... Isn't this a vertical launch? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUVMsuLW2EE he never said it was never launched vertical , he said it has never been launched horizontal I need new specs. Sorry CJ :oops: :o...
by member_22906
28 Sep 2013 22:54
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion
Replies: 4022
Views: 206570

Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Yes, my question was to u CJ ji
by member_22906
28 Sep 2013 19:39
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion
Replies: 4022
Views: 206570

Re: Indian Missiles and Munitions Discussion

Welcome back CJ. Nice to see you posting on BR

As regards, no vertical launch of Brahmos done... Isn't this a vertical launch?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUVMsuLW2EE
by member_22906
18 Sep 2013 17:14
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Placing M777 at very high altitude won't be a workable solution simply because of rarified air, the efficiency of gunners would be sub optimal. The heli-portable movements surely make sense if the chinooks use the lay of the land and cross over to another valley through the appropriate passes rather...
by member_22906
16 Sep 2013 17:35
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

I guess the bigger need for IA is to upgun from 100mm, 105mm, 130mm to 155mm. Not only do we get the benefit of longer range but also more firepower per round. What lots of folks overlook is the overwhelming benefit of a larger calibre gun in comparison to the smaller ones. A good example is the goo...
by member_22906
16 Sep 2013 17:29
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Rahul M wrote:rohit, what are the origins of the IFG ?


Inspired/derived from the British L118 field gun...
by member_22906
16 Sep 2013 09:27
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Thanks RV for the excellent and well researched post. Hopefully some logic and common sense gets drilled into some people over here...

Though I wouldn't be surprised if you are accused of justifying your argument to support the "import loving lobby" :wink:
by member_22906
11 Sep 2013 20:06
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169892

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

RV garu... I think you meant 56 Div as the new Div instead of 57 (Red Shield) Div
by member_22906
28 Aug 2013 14:34
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

^^
I thought you were commenting on Kit's post. Realized now that it was for NRao's post
by member_22906
28 Aug 2013 08:36
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

^^

can you elaborate your statement?
by member_22906
20 Aug 2013 13:56
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169892

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Using AD guns is not new with IA. IIRC, during George Fernandes' time, a CAG auditor was sent to Siachen by MoD (to put him in his place) since he had raised audit objection on ZU-23-2 being used in anti-infantry role in Siachen
by member_22906
18 Aug 2013 19:04
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169892

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Psychological dominance. Also to send a message to the other side to not mess around... Not everything in conflict has logic :)
by member_22906
18 Aug 2013 13:29
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

FH77 were also used in Kargil so it is not an issue of whether we can deploy them or not. It is about how quickly and with how much effort etc. Logistics/ resupply has been an issue and that is the precise reason why we need more roads in these sectors. In the absence of the roads, surely logistics ...
by member_22906
18 Aug 2013 10:32
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

OT: There could also possibility of using m777 the lighter howitzers temporarily till bigger howitzers can reach difficult terrain, while counter military/air force regards progress of enemy. This way m777 can be used at many places while not discounting any howitzer purchase. That should be a logi...
by member_22906
18 Aug 2013 10:28
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

The import lobby on BRF has a standard modus operand, abuse the posters who support indigenous products, say the army knows best and then avoid uncomfortable issues. OFB M46 upgrade to 155-45 caliber is only 8.5 tons. The stripped down OFB Bofors would be 7 tons orM 46 upgrade to 39 caliber will be...
by member_22906
18 Aug 2013 09:31
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

^^^ The aim is to not trivialise the counter viewpoint to deployment of M777 but to bring out the point that this increases the deployment options for IA and most importantly it gives MSC the edge simply because of the flexibility. If Arty is provided the priority for Chinooks or other choppers, the...
by member_22906
18 Aug 2013 09:21
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

I have been following this discussion for past few days and somehow we don't seem to have progressed beyond the original crib of M777 being expensive, not worth the money, 2X or 3X the cost of bofors or Indian products, we should line up our borders with Pak/China with more Indian guns to blast them...
by member_22906
15 Aug 2013 10:16
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

^^^ Theoretically possible. Interesting lateral thinking :) My 0.02$ on this... Firstly, rockets in mountains are most effective in a direct fire mode since (I am not confident about) the trajectory of the rockets may not be effective if you are attempting to hit the opposite of the mountain Secondl...
by member_22906
14 Aug 2013 19:51
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Where is the order for TATA/OFB/Kalyani gun? We are so woefully inadequate in artillery department that an order of 500 pieces for each gun type will be an appetizer, not even half meal. If IA wants the feather light M777 urgently then we need a regular gun super urgently! No one is denying here th...
by member_22906
14 Aug 2013 19:47
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

The same blah blah blah was used to justify Agusta Westland helo deal. M777 is a good equipment, just not good enough to spend One Billion dollars on. That still doesn't answer my question to you. So let me repeat it: pls suggest in terms of tactics and opertational advantage your suggested howitze...
by member_22906
14 Aug 2013 00:20
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Re: Indian Naval Discussion
Replies: 582
Views: 37140

Re: Indian Naval Discussion

Breaking News: Blast in INS Sindhurakshak in Mumbai (check Times Now)
by member_22906
14 Aug 2013 00:16
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Going by your logic of dismantling, even an Arjun MBT can be dismantled and airlifted to any part of the world... which is possible, but in what time period, with what infrastructure and can they reach the last mile in mountains? MSC by what we understand as its raison d'etre is supposed to provide ...
by member_22906
14 Aug 2013 00:04
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India Border Watch: Security and Operations
Replies: 3460
Views: 582590

Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Me thinks its Mr. Sharif trying to warm up to PA and the hardliners by supporting them on the anti-India stand... Otherwise, how do you think their National Assembly would have come up with an anti-India statement today. Nawaz Bhai is an opportunistic politician and he knows that his longevity on th...
by member_22906
13 Aug 2013 23:50
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

M777 is a useless import dressed up as super important. A simple non automated 155 howitzer derived from OFB 155mm howitzer will weight around 6-7 tons and 1/10th of the price. Note the M46 upgrade to 155/45 caliber weights around 8 tons. Apart from your statement that M777 sucks, pls suggest in te...
by member_22906
11 Aug 2013 13:09
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Well, as stated earlier since evasion of counter battery fire is within acceptable levels for IA to be not overtly worried about that possibility (for this case)... So, I'll take it at face value. Moreover, I have not read any specific literature about the Arty duels between the 2 armies that identi...
by member_22906
11 Aug 2013 12:12
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

APU drive etc work for short distance only which is possible in plains. In hills, your repositioning to evade counter battery fire may require movement across greater distances simply because of limited real estate there. So towing with FAT is surely going to be there. Moreover, apart from FH77B all...
by member_22906
11 Aug 2013 01:39
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

What is forgotten sometimes is that with heliborne option, our ability to manouver quickly goes up exponentially since these puppies can be moved in an east-west axis across the multiple valleys what are predominantly in a north-south direction However, towing by FAT would be more to reach staging a...
by member_22906
10 Aug 2013 23:30
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Yes, it was aerial deployment I was talking about. Over and above that, with lesser weight than FH77B, the last mile for deployment in mountains is better considering the quality of tracks that are there. It requires not only powerful FAT alone to pull the guns to their position but also the overall...
by member_22906
10 Aug 2013 21:11
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

It is the length. Also for the m777, the absence of shell handling crane, like that on the FH 77, means that our army will have to be super fit to man handle a 50 kg round. Pls leave the concerns of fitness levels of our gunners to the competent people in IA to decide. As regards the rate of fire, ...
by member_22906
05 Aug 2013 11:31
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Military Aviation- Jan 10 2012
Replies: 4239
Views: 169026

Re: Indian Military Aviation- Jan 10 2012

... and to top it all you accuse the Chief of all sorts of nonsense when he desires his original wish and not take your fancy (on the drawing board) offer
by member_22906
05 Aug 2013 11:27
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Military Aviation- Jan 10 2012
Replies: 4239
Views: 169026

Re: Indian Military Aviation- Jan 10 2012

what is wrong with the proposal of the ejection seat even if it came from HAL considering the above which was agreed to by IAF. i fail to understand. :roll: If your requirement is to use a basic car (in the Maruti Alto segment) but are offered a value added one (like lets say Maruti Swift) at the s...
by member_22906
04 Aug 2013 23:44
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Military Aviation- Jan 10 2012
Replies: 4239
Views: 169026

Re: Indian Military Aviation- Jan 10 2012

As a viewer, I would also say that Col. Shukla was not convincing in his arguments and looked on the backfoot. All that came out was misplaced aggression and unnecessary sensationalism. The 2 former IAF officers sounded logical in their rebuttals
by member_22906
19 Jul 2013 22:13
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Army History Thread
Replies: 938
Views: 161223

Re: Indian Army History Thread

What was KV Krishna Rao's claim to fame? I am not saying that he was bad or not upto to mark, but apart from being COAS, what were some of his professional achievements?
by member_22906
18 Jul 2013 22:29
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169892

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Grenadiers flame is different but surely not EME (Horse with thunderbolt) or Signals (Sprinting Mercury)
by member_22906
18 Jul 2013 21:57
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012
Replies: 3969
Views: 169892

Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

vaibhav.n, I thinks its a sappers badge. I know engineers have a fort in the background in their ensignia, but they also use this one. I think the badge has Sarvatra written below the flame torch. By the way, Savatra Izzat-o-Iqbal is the motto of Arty. Interestingly sappers and gunners have a common...
by member_22906
15 Jul 2013 22:48
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

What will be interesting to see which guns from the current stock are retired first... I suspect that the strike corps will get the naya maal first (be it towed or tracked or mounted). The 130mm (M46) from the strike corps will probably get transferred to the pivot corps from which the 122mm (D30) a...
by member_22906
14 Jul 2013 22:23
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

sivab wrote:ARDE bags order for futuristic advanced artillery gun


This surely looks interesting though I guess this is not going for the current 55mm towed gun requirements. Seems to be catering to requirements of the next decade
by member_22906
14 Jul 2013 22:05
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Thanks sivab for the news reports. I am keeping my fingers crossed on the 39 & 45 calibre user test (which even as per your reports haven't been completed). Experiencing heartbreak after heartbreak on successive cancellations of trials/orders, I am being deliberately cautious Vic: LoI is a posit...
by member_22906
13 Jul 2013 21:09
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Not sure if this was posted before... http://tenders.gov.in/viewtenddoc.asp?tid=mp524217&wno=1&td=TD REQUEST FOR INFORMATION FOR SUPPLYOF 6X6 OR 8X8 TRUCKS SUITABLY MODIFIED FOR MOUNTING 155 mm GUN SYSTEM Gun Carriage Factory, Jabalpur has undertaken a prestigious R&D project for 155 mm ...
by member_22906
13 Jul 2013 01:13
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Artillery Discussion Thread
Replies: 3883
Views: 468300

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Bhai Log... Any news on the OFB project on:
a) 155mm/39 calibre FH 77
b) 155mm/45 calibre FH 77

Weren't the timelines end-2012 and mid-2013 for the 39 calibre and 45 calibre respectively?

Go to advanced search