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by syam
20 Sep 2017 11:05
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

New stuff to me and I have no reason to doubt what you say. But my effort is on an era that pre-dates Greek history by 2000 to 3000 years. In fact this entire thread starts off from the viewpoint of India prior to 1000 BC The so called Roman empire was built on the ruins of Hindu empire. Historians...
by syam
19 Sep 2017 19:15
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5250
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Hannibal's elephants are well known - but the horse debate is critical to the "language spread theory". Where does the elephant fit in? That's supposed to be half pun and half exclamation. I checked two threads. You guys didn't discuss any about Seleucid Empire. This empire had close ties...
by syam
19 Sep 2017 14:48
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

That is very interesting .. Check this one sir, One of his most famous achievements was at the outbreak of the Second Punic War, when he marched an army which included war elephants from Iberia over the Pyrenees and the Alps into Italy. This is from Hannibal wiki. Somehow he got hands on war elepha...
by syam
19 Sep 2017 11:35
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5250
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

But the Greeks themselves did not like what Ctesias said and willy-nilly destroyed much of his writings Sir, Greeks did not like Ctesias because he exposes something they tried desperately to hide. Semiramis tried to invade India and failed. But she came back to her Empire and ruled it till her end...
by syam
18 Sep 2017 23:43
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5250
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

@shiv ji, I am reading a book written by Dr. Raja Ram Mohan Roy . I found something amazing, Alexander, being impressed with the current report that Semiramis had effected her escape from India with about twenty men and Cyrus with about seven, was ambitious, though aware of the difficulties and dang...
by syam
03 Aug 2017 20:45
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5250
Views: 524640

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

At the end of the day, history of origin of culture is irrelevant to the lives of the large majority. Most white people for eg, do not give a rat's behind about whether history started in Sumer or Egypt or China. Because whether our long-dead ancestors were heroes or chumps, have ultimately very li...
by syam
03 Aug 2017 18:55
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

@Srijoy.... since we are all scientists, lets explore something different. Suppose India conquered west. Since globalisation is falling like house of cards. Lets assume Ethnic Indians somehow become the sole super power of the world. In this scenario, Ethnic Indians need something to keep the whole ...
by syam
23 Jul 2017 15:48
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Sorry for OT. Last few pages remind me of this old story, In a mother’s womb were two babies. “Do you believe in life after delivery?” one twin asks. “Why, of course. There has to be something after delivery. Maybe we are here to prepare ourselves for what we will be later,” the other replies. “Nons...
by syam
22 Jul 2017 23:40
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

During EIC time, they used to pay 1000 pagodas for Oriental Scholars. That was totally big amount.

No wonder we had so many researchers .
by syam
17 Jul 2017 15:12
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5250
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Sure. I am not sure what that has to do with anything. Euros jump on the horse theory because of a simple fact : vast regions of India has been KO-ed for a significant portion of the last 2000+ years, where we had a significant disadvantage in horses. the reasons for this are in a series of geo-str...
by syam
17 Jul 2017 12:48
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5250
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

@shiv ji, that image is from old archives. You guys had some discussion way back in 2002.
by syam
17 Jul 2017 12:22
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5250
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

SriJoy, I found this image in old archives.
Image
40000 years old cave painting found in UP. That animal suspiciously looking like horse. :D
by syam
13 Jul 2017 15:26
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Amarnath Yatris killed in terror attack. Allahoakbar
Replies: 434
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Re: Amarnath Yatris killed in terror attack. Allahoakbar

The problem with the so called supporters and RW is that they don't admit their own weakness. You cultivate your leadership and fight with them in public. Such a pitiful situation. As usual public will forget this attack. And live happily in their bubble after few nights. Such an aimless society. It...
by syam
12 Jul 2017 12:14
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5250
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

SriJoy wrote:No institution supports OOI.
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Ok then. It is time to start one of our own. And give guest lectures where ever it is possible and publish papers.
by syam
12 Jul 2017 11:03
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5250
Views: 524640

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

@shiv ji, is there any institute or organisation that promotes OoT theory ?
If there is no org. out there, what are the chances to start our own?

We have no institutional backing to do any thing. May be this will change the fate of Indic studies.
by syam
11 Jul 2017 19:15
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Amarnath Yatris killed in terror attack. Allahoakbar
Replies: 434
Views: 48166

Re: Amarnath Yatris killed in terror attack

Please change it back to original title. There is no political correctness any more. It's not our duty to be sensible about everything every time.
by syam
11 Jul 2017 13:10
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5250
Views: 524640

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

SriJoy wrote:Sure. You will find that place names often don't follow rhyme or reason. I try to not get hung up on labels more than the contents of said label.

You contradict yourself, old man. First nothing big deal about it. But then it is big deal. Only it is big deal if India involved in it.
by syam
11 Jul 2017 10:54
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Views: 524640

Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

the whole world calls it Arabian horse because the region is called arabia NOW. Just like nobody says 'Volga is in Volga-Bulgaria' and says 'Volga is in Russia' because Volga-Bulgaria is Russia now. I don't think origin of Arabian horse can be explained through mythologies. That region is called Ir...
by syam
11 Jul 2017 10:47
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Almost all 'origin stories' of monotheism are plagiarism of older faiths. Ie, pure invention. So i do not see what relevance a Jewish plagiarism from 800-900 BC has to do to counter archaeological evidence of an earlier time. That still doesn't explain Arabian Horse origin. If it is plagiarism, the...
by syam
11 Jul 2017 10:30
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Sure. But what is Assyria, has been seen as 'core of Arabia' for almost 1500 years. So people will see it as semantics. So Assyrian Empire is Arabian Empire as in Ancient Arabian world. Seems like these arabians were big people. Allah(PBUH) must been very gracious to them. Still doesn't explain the...
by syam
11 Jul 2017 10:12
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Ok. Archaelogically we have Arabian horse in Assyria, decisively, from 1200 BC period. So why should we consider origin myths of people who came much later (Jews, who did not write the OT till 900-800 BC) as the 'origin story' ? that myth about Solomon getting a gift, is as credible as stealing ' H...
by syam
11 Jul 2017 10:01
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

I do not follow. why would horses in Iraq, syria etc not be arabian horses, given that it is also part of Arabia ?! See your above post. You still didn't answer the origin part. We are discussing about origins. Not where the horse trotted. @Dipankar , you too. The origin of Horse is still debatable.
by syam
11 Jul 2017 09:01
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
Replies: 5250
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Arabian horse is from Arabia. Sumeria was in Arabia- which is defined as the entire region sans Egypt, turkey, Iran and Israel (even in Roman times). Seems like you have nothing to contribute on Arabian Horse. I repeat again even if the horse was present in every kingdom, it is still treated as Ara...
by syam
11 Jul 2017 08:13
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Legends of horse-gifting means diddly squat over actual archaeological evidence. We find horse-drawn carts (solid wheel) in Sumeria. We find chariots in New Kingdom Egypt and Hittite empire, as well as Old Assyrian Empire- all of whom out-date the semi-mythological 'king Solomon'. When did I say th...
by syam
10 Jul 2017 13:10
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Robert Caldwell. ~~ That dude is famous in old days. Last night, I was reading about C.P. Brown. This dude name came up somewhere. An excerpt from internet There is a brief assessment of Caldwell’s life and service in the last few pages of this work. Caldwell a chosen vessel of God to minister in H...
by syam
09 Jul 2017 15:49
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Err, Arabian horse is from the fertile crescent. the lands between Euphrates and Tigris until recently used to be desert grassland and Arabian horse is from there. We see 'Arabian horse' being called so by the Romans. We also have plenty of archaeological evidence depicting Assyrian emperors riding...
by syam
07 Jul 2017 00:29
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

1. Arabian horses are not Indian horses. Prove it. There is no such thing as Arabian horse. They used to do trading using camels. With no grass to graze and not enough water, it is entirely hostile terrain for them. Thus my theory holds. Horses are from Indian subcontinent. Like mathematics, this t...
by syam
06 Jul 2017 18:18
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

1. Not all animals exist all over the world, atleast not till humans take them around. No horses in SE Asia for example till humans brought it there. Since I follow look east policy. check these countries, China : There were horse-driven chariots of the Shang (c. 1600 - c. 1050 BC) and Zhou (c. 105...
by syam
06 Jul 2017 17:50
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

There were/are no Aryans apart from the imagination of 19th century European racists. Horse graves, some with chariots have been found in graves in Kazakhstan. They have also found thousands of horse bones, evidence of eating horses and drinking mare's milk. The following paragraph is from my own n...
by syam
06 Jul 2017 13:13
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

@shiv ji Can you tell more about horses and chariots in Andronovo culture and its link to the supposed Aryan race? Also please share If there are any archaeological records related to them. p.s: I read your article on Swarajya. That's why asking for more. Animals exists all over the world. What's th...
by syam
06 Jul 2017 01:24
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Dipanker wrote:This is all getting confusing!
Vedic civilization (VC) older than IVC? Or IVC and VC are same civilization ? Or does IVC predate VC?

Vedic civilisation is completely village style civilisation where as IVC has modern cities with urban infrastructure.

So VC predates IVC by default. :)
by syam
03 Apr 2017 22:01
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: J&K News and Discussion - 2016
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Re: J&K News and Discussion - 2016

^ Money can't be the only motivation or even the main motivation for that stuff, though perhaps it attracts some fence sitters in the environment of unemployment and stagnation. If it is, then what is stopping us from outspending the Porkis in getting the same people to do our bidding. There are mu...
by syam
03 Apr 2017 11:31
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Telugu States' News and Discussion
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Views: 7383

Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Politics in AP is like spider webs within webs. People tend to keep their secrets close to their heart. And influence everything under their control. CBN is lesser evil compared to YSRJ. That's the reason why he got elected. If someone thinks he is legendary leader, then he need to visit yerragadda ...
by syam
03 Apr 2017 02:30
Forum: History & Current Affairs Archive
Topic: Telugu States' News and Discussion
Replies: 2477
Views: 7383

Re: Telugu States' News and Discussion

Priesthood(not correct word, will use pujari) given to brahmins because they took it upon themselves to uphold all the hard rules. In traditional caste system, the higher you are in the hierarchy, the more rules you have to follow. They are not encouraged to enjoy physical or mental pleasures. Highe...

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