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by Trikaal
26 Aug 2017 01:22
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India in Afghanistan
Replies: 48
Views: 5338

Re: India in Afghanistan

Kati-saar the logistics problem, as I said earlier, is uncle's. If Trump wants us there, he has to open the door or else this whole discussion is mute. An air corridor over pak is very much possible. All pak army and govt has to do is keep quiet and take it lying down. Uncle doesn't help us on minor...
by Trikaal
26 Aug 2017 01:04
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India in Afghanistan
Replies: 48
Views: 5338

Re: India in Afghanistan

Also, people seem to worried that if we enter Afghanistan, US and NATO will exit leaving us with the problem. This is not a game of 'it' where US says we are 'it' and now we have to solve everything. If others leave, we can leave with them. In such a case, we will be just as well off as we will be i...
by Trikaal
26 Aug 2017 01:01
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India in Afghanistan
Replies: 48
Views: 5338

Re: India in Afghanistan

We need to be a bit smarter in Afghanistan. First, the problems: Americans don't have the staying power. Everybody is biding time till they go away. Whoever we arm can switch to Taliban the next day. Tribal and religious loyalty is more than the national loyalty. At this rate, it'll be very quickly...
by Trikaal
26 Aug 2017 00:03
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Military Helicopters
Replies: 4375
Views: 748532

Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Trikaal, Yeah, the production line reflects how many a year the forces are interested in acquiring and can absorb. You are complaining about how things are at the moment, which is not optimal, but that's how it is. I am complaining about total order size, not production and absorption rate. Everyon...
by Trikaal
25 Aug 2017 23:59
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Military Helicopters
Replies: 4375
Views: 748532

Re: Indian Military Helicopters

To get to an ALH class heli in its first go, this much should be expected. If you have not read about some of its technologies yet, you should. They are truly world-class and in some cases world-beating (and I say this bereft of any nationalism). The Germans experimented the very best of technologi...
by Trikaal
25 Aug 2017 23:53
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India in Afghanistan
Replies: 48
Views: 5338

Re: India in Afghanistan

This is what happens when we don't have boots on ground. After all the military equipment, officer training, ngo help, cricket help, bus donation, parliament and dam building, we continue to be ignored because we are not a stakeholder in Afghanistan https://www.google.com/amp/m.timesofindia.com/indi...
by Trikaal
25 Aug 2017 23:46
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India in Afghanistan
Replies: 48
Views: 5338

Re: India in Afghanistan

A v.tricky situ.We had earlier provided some mil eqpt. to the Afghans via Russia (Russian helos paid for by India).For reasons bets known to it,Russia in recent times has been wooing elements in the Taliban and has softened its attitude towards Pak.Gven the Trump-et call" from Trump Towers to ...
by Trikaal
25 Aug 2017 23:39
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India in Afghanistan
Replies: 48
Views: 5338

Re: India in Afghanistan

Let me add one more point to the above ^^^^^ We are already projecting our soft power in Afghanistan in a massive way. We are bringing in Afghan security personnel in Bharat and training them in batches. We are encouraging Afghan NGOs, and training them silently. We are helping Afghanistan with inf...
by Trikaal
25 Aug 2017 23:31
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India in Afghanistan
Replies: 48
Views: 5338

Re: India in Afghanistan

Unfortunately, we haven't seen any serious US effort to neuter TSP yet. 1. US is NOT leaving Afghanistan in foreseeable future (just like Iraq), because it is a nice place to set up a base and use it as a pressure point against China, perhaps Russia, and TSP-India too. 2. US has to show its serious...
by Trikaal
25 Aug 2017 23:13
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Military Helicopters
Replies: 4375
Views: 748532

Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Production is always the number of units that the purchasing agency can 1. Pay for asset with their budget. 2. Absorb - Both find and train new pilots and create support staff. Training includes writing new manuals, exploring new techniques and tactics. This takes a long time. 3. Create infrastruct...
by Trikaal
25 Aug 2017 22:54
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Military Helicopters
Replies: 4375
Views: 748532

Re: Indian Military Helicopters

I read your message wrong as 15 helicopters in 12 years. Your taunt at the end did not help. None the less, you are off the hook. By the way, while much of HAL requires criticism, its rotary department is truly worthy of praise. HAL currently manufactures 40 helicopters per year. They are ramping u...
by Trikaal
25 Aug 2017 20:04
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India in Afghanistan
Replies: 48
Views: 5338

Re: India in Afghanistan

How are we going to send our logistics and resources to Afghanistan in a massive way? We have to be at the mercy of Iran or Tajikistan (i.e., Russia). Iran will extract a heavier pound of flesh for cozying up with Uncle. Russia will dilly-dally in granting permission to go through Tajikistan, given...
by Trikaal
25 Aug 2017 19:49
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Military Helicopters
Replies: 4375
Views: 748532

Re: Indian Military Helicopters

If it is 15 per year then it means 12 years till this order is completed. I guess that makes more sense considering we are talking about HAL here :rotfl: If you can't tell me within 24 hours why this is not trolling, you will receive a warning. What part did u construe as trolling ? Is the evidence...
by Trikaal
24 Aug 2017 19:59
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Military Helicopters
Replies: 4375
Views: 748532

Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Is the bold part correct ? I thought the order placed was for around 200 helis in total for kar and ia Perhaps a typo, instead of 114 for the IA and 65 for the IAF. Or 15 per year. If it is 15 per year then it means 12 years till this order is completed. I guess that makes more sense considering we...
by Trikaal
24 Aug 2017 19:47
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India in Afghanistan
Replies: 48
Views: 5338

Re: India in Afghanistan

I think an important variable that everyone seems to be forgetting is Donald Trump. The man is unpredictable which is both good and bad. Good, in the sense that if anyone can, it is Trump who can browbeat Pakistan into giving India access to Afghanistan. Bad, as in if we refuse his offer to particip...
by Trikaal
24 Aug 2017 19:43
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Indian Military Helicopters
Replies: 4375
Views: 748532

Re: Indian Military Helicopters

Desi combat chopper to begin production; Jaitley to inaugurate unit on Saturday http://m.timesofindia.com/india/desi-combat-chopper-to-begin-production-jaitley-to-inaugurate-unit-on-saturday/articleshow/60208239.cms BENGALURU: Nine months after the Defence Acquisition Committee (DAC) gave its in-pr...
by Trikaal
24 Aug 2017 19:36
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India in Afghanistan
Replies: 48
Views: 5338

Re: India in Afghanistan

Without any further clarifications as well as concrete actions against TSP by Great Khan Bharat's direct military involvement will be a headache. It could end up being a trap too for Bharat too where we'll be left high and dry while Khan withdraws its personnel and hardware. One major bottle-neck i...
by Trikaal
24 Aug 2017 19:35
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India in Afghanistan
Replies: 48
Views: 5338

Re: India in Afghanistan

Indian army must deploy at least 1 division in Afghanistan as a Peace keeping force (get it from UNO) along with NATO., otherwise all these donations will be used by Taliban and Bakistan to attack us. Boots must be on Ground in Afghanistan! Exactly my point. If u want influence over the direction o...
by Trikaal
24 Aug 2017 19:31
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India in Afghanistan
Replies: 48
Views: 5338

Re: India in Afghanistan

I noticed a surprising lack of threads to discuss such a vital security issue in the region. Historically, India has been denied any militarily significant space in Afghanistan. As such India has stuck to humanitarian and economic spheres. Though good looking on paper, this denies India any signifi...
by Trikaal
23 Aug 2017 18:38
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India in Afghanistan
Replies: 48
Views: 5338

Re: India in Afghanistan

The last thread discussing similar issues was closed so I guess we should discuss in a new one now. If the mods feel that some other thread is more appropriate for this discussion, please move my comments to that thread.
Thank you
by Trikaal
23 Aug 2017 18:33
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India in Afghanistan
Replies: 48
Views: 5338

Re: India in Afghanistan

Negatives: ~may earn the distrust and hate of locals ~china and russia support Taliban while india will never support them. Indian troops on ground will push india into the us camp thus opposite russia atleast in Afghanistan. This could lead to souring of india-russia relations ~cost of life and mat...
by Trikaal
23 Aug 2017 18:29
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India in Afghanistan
Replies: 48
Views: 5338

Re: India in Afghanistan

We can start by listing the positive and negative effects of India landing boots on ground in Afghanistan. Positives: ~better control over the ground situation ~better protection for indians working in Afghanistan on various projects like roads, dams , etc ~much more influence on Afghanistan and the...
by Trikaal
23 Aug 2017 18:21
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: India in Afghanistan
Replies: 48
Views: 5338

India in Afghanistan

I noticed a surprising lack of threads to discuss such a vital security issue in the region. Historically, India has been denied any militarily significant space in Afghanistan. As such India has stuck to humanitarian and economic spheres. Though good looking on paper, this denies India any signific...
by Trikaal
23 Jul 2017 03:47
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)
Replies: 10352
Views: 1169569

Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

That is just apologetic excuses. We were just as much American darlings till 1965. In 1998, again Pakistan got away with invading India. And what US backing ? The only time US actually threatened to enter war on Pak side is the time when we actually got something done. What more would US do that it...
by Trikaal
23 Jul 2017 03:31
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Pakistani Economic Stress Watch
Replies: 3924
Views: 653697

Re: Pakistani Economic Stress Watch

While thats certainly one way to think, a failed pak opens up other possibilities, most importantly the break up of pak and getting back POK. In the long term, the break up of Pak into its constituent states may stabilize it., BD is a good example. It would also put an end to CPEC or any Cheeni asp...
by Trikaal
23 Jul 2017 03:26
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Shiva Bhoomi, Manasa Sarovar & Tibet Mukti Sangharsh
Replies: 81
Views: 7073

Re: Shiva Bhoomi, Manasa Sarovar & Tibet Mukti Sangharsh

Why should Indians spill their blood for a cause that the oppressed aren't even interested in. :rotfl: Amazing how you use the number of Tibetans employed by the PLA as an indication of how happy Tibetans are with the Chinese, a country where all speech and information is regulated. Perhaps not, bu...
by Trikaal
22 Jul 2017 22:59
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Pakistani Economic Stress Watch
Replies: 3924
Views: 653697

Re: Pakistani Economic Stress Watch

Also, a failing Pakistan means a Pakistan locked in eternal misery to make ends meet. If it actually fails, it won't feel the frustration of trying and failing like it has been for the past decade.
by Trikaal
22 Jul 2017 22:57
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Pakistani Economic Stress Watch
Replies: 3924
Views: 653697

Re: Pakistani Economic Stress Watch

Peregrine ji: You have been tracking Bakisatan's demise. Based on falling exports or other data, do you have an estimate as to when Bakisatan goes belly up. Guddu Ji : Patience my Dear Sir. Good Things come to those who wait! Cheers http://www.skyscrapercity.com/images/smilies/beer.gif No matter ho...
by Trikaal
22 Jul 2017 22:46
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Shiva Bhoomi, Manasa Sarovar & Tibet Mukti Sangharsh
Replies: 81
Views: 7073

Re: Shiva Bhoomi, Manasa Sarovar & Tibet Mukti Sangharsh

We are talking about Tibetan liberation but do Tibetans want freedom ? Where is Tibetan liberation army ? Where is the insurgency ? Xinjiang has much more unrest than Tibet. A few immolations by monks does not an insurgency make. Unless people at the grassroots want freedom, as was the case in Bangl...
by Trikaal
22 Jul 2017 22:30
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)
Replies: 10352
Views: 1169569

Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Also, I suspect we wouldn't have done anything in 71 too if Pakis weren't killing Bangladeshis like dodos, millions of Bangladeshis weren't running to india and Bangladeshis themselves weren't willing to fight their own war. Everytime the question of political will comes up, Indian leaders fail. Neh...
by Trikaal
22 Jul 2017 22:22
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)
Replies: 10352
Views: 1169569

Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

India didn't crush Pakistan not because of the strong mustachioed Punjabi army men in the PA, but because of American backing. India did in fact launch a war on Pakistan, and created a new nation. That is just apologetic excuses. We were just as much American darlings till 1965. In 1998, again Paki...
by Trikaal
22 Jul 2017 21:42
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)
Replies: 10352
Views: 1169569

Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

To all those hoping for a war with China, it won't happen. We didn't crush the festering wound Pakistan for 70 years. We allowed them to get away with outright attacking us 4 times. What makes you think that we will not only annex land from a far stronger adversary but also actually start a war. Whe...
by Trikaal
22 Jul 2017 13:45
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)
Replies: 10352
Views: 1169569

Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

This may be good news for us. Pakistan is not going to be docile like Tibet, with encouragement it may be Lizard's Vietnam. A slow boiling pot will consume a lot of lizard resources and the US may even play an active role. Gautam [g.sarkar : Sir Ji, with due respect and reverence the Clapistanis wi...
by Trikaal
22 Jul 2017 13:35
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)
Replies: 10352
Views: 1169569

Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

I have a question. Often it is stated that India controls China's jugular vein through Malacca Straits. My question is that in case of war, if we block Malacca, what is stopping China from just going around Indonesia(closer to Australia) Sure the route will cost a little extra but I guess such costs...
by Trikaal
22 Jul 2017 13:30
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Artillery: News & Discussion
Replies: 4827
Views: 749909

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

I am not here to fault the individual but there is something missing in these discussions. Since the news came, I was hoping for one post to say something like this " Shite!, a 155mm 45 cal arty shell exploded near at least 10 men. Hope they are ok." The experience of an arty shell explod...
by Trikaal
22 Jul 2017 12:04
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)
Replies: 10352
Views: 1169569

Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Is this a Chinese conspiracy to keep India from indigenously producing weapons ? No fraud by the owner of the Bearing supplier company Sidh Supplies. He won the tender by low bid and got the Chinese to make thema nd stamp them with markings. The GCF officials bought off the bearings even when they ...
by Trikaal
22 Jul 2017 11:55
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Artillery: News & Discussion
Replies: 4827
Views: 749909

Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

http://www.firstpost.com/india/cbi-finds-fake-chinese-parts-in-india-made-dhanush-gun-case-filed-against-delhi-company-for-conspiracy-3842579.html Real reason of gun failure. When u hv traitors like these GCF officials, who needs enemies ? With such people incharge of our weapon manufacturing, I am ...
by Trikaal
22 Jul 2017 11:48
Forum: Trash Can Archive
Topic: Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)
Replies: 10352
Views: 1169569

Re: Managing Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

Is this a Chinese conspiracy to keep India from indigenously producing weapons ?

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