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by Larry Walker
21 Jun 2020 17:59
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

This is a very big deal if correct. We are facing a 2 front-scenario. In a way it is good - gives.you perfect immediate reason to retake GB and PoK. Maybe Pakis would be secretly happy to loose GB and PoK - as it has now become almost untenable for them to hold back daily IA fire-assaults and when ...
by Larry Walker
21 Jun 2020 16:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Amar_P ji - the point was that I was speculating on Chinese intent - I am not commenting that India would have followed that script.
by Larry Walker
21 Jun 2020 16:55
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

https://www.opindia.com/2020/06/china-g ... ssion=true

Biggest ever proof that Gandhi clan and Congressiyas are Chinese CPC agents in India .... And they have the gall to call Modi anti-national !!!
by Larry Walker
21 Jun 2020 15:02
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

amar_p wrote:What was the Chinese plan exactly, what all went as per? Please educate us Sir


Indian KIA and PoW's without firing a single shot and then BIF would create enough internal pressure on GoI to align on Chinese terms.
by Larry Walker
21 Jun 2020 14:31
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Even in the current conflagration, it almost went as per Chinese plan, except that punya-aatma of Major Shaitan Singh and his Ahir's rose up and 16 Bihar did the unthinkable. Else GoI would have been on backfoot with KIA and PoW's.
by Larry Walker
21 Jun 2020 14:29
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Kamranji, talking about Chinese buildup during April timeframe would have completely disarrayed our Covid-19 preperation and fight. BIF would have gone full-out saying Modi failed on internal as well as external front. It would have caused utter chaos with migrant crisis coupled with at that time a ...
by Larry Walker
21 Jun 2020 13:59
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Moral of the story is that Chinese along with their bitch will never sit by-the-side and let India rise. A war with them is fait accompli when we start rising into a regional superpower and we need to rise so that we can give our larger population hope and basic amenities of life. This is like Mahab...
by Larry Walker
21 Jun 2020 13:49
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

take the POK in next 5 years, once the 0.5 war is won. then, get ready for a showdown with China as equals. my two cents. The internal front cannot be won directly by GoI. Once GoI shows intent and will power by taking over PoK and GB to start with, the BIF will either go underground or will be cha...
by Larry Walker
21 Jun 2020 01:31
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

So exactly as I have been saying, if Chinese are trying to prevent Indian Army from reaching G219 or some other place of tactical or strategic importance - then why are they assuming that Indian Army will try to do that. India being a democracy and overall much less powerfull than China would defini...
by Larry Walker
21 Jun 2020 01:01
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Iyersan wrote:We will goto war as things are as on date. Beware it will cost us


Unless Chinese and XiPing's plans or atleast intentions are understood, it is very difficult to advocate de-escalation vs pre-emption.
by Larry Walker
21 Jun 2020 00:49
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Kamran et al, lets do a quick excercise. I think by now we pretty much know the details of what happened in Galwan valley on night of 15-Jun - so what in your opinion should have been the communication from Modi government.
by Larry Walker
20 Jun 2020 20:06
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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This is RaGa level of ranting. I don't know how one can in normal course assume that a border where no shots were fired since last 40 years will have 100 fatalities in one night due to warlike violence. You could have expected these numbers on LoC, but not on LAC.
by Larry Walker
20 Jun 2020 19:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Chinese are.provoking us in unchallenged areas so that we have to bring our reserves forward and deplete those from being accrued on our Western front. Areas where LAC was disputed already has enough IA resources allocated to take care of any contingencies.
by Larry Walker
20 Jun 2020 19:47
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

We shouldn't assume that the PLA is done with whatever they were planning, One hopes we have come out of the reacting mode and have started taking proactive decisions. My opinion is that Depsang is the main Chinese gameplan, rest all is just clutter to divert resources and mask their main gameplan....
by Larry Walker
20 Jun 2020 19:42
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

There must be a valley from our side, which allows us to bypass the fingers directly in to Sirijap? I would love to see the reaction on Chini faces, if we land up on North of Sirijap. That is why they have built-up in Chushul. Flanking of Sirijap is possible if you go through Chushul, but Chinese h...
by Larry Walker
20 Jun 2020 17:01
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Absolutely correct, the only Chinese stratergy is wherever we claim the border, they will push that line few km's to 10's of kms inside our territory and claim that is there "perception". So even if you hypothetically give them laddakh, they will claim next vantage point beyond Ladakh insi...
by Larry Walker
20 Jun 2020 14:06
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Pangong Lake --> test India's resolve if Chinese occupied buffer zone Galwan valley --> create distraction and feint to draw in attention and provoke India to offer resistance and establish that 2 countries are not at peace currently so any further action does not make Chinese look like aggressors D...
by Larry Walker
20 Jun 2020 13:54
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

If the Chinese control the finger 4 heights & ridge then our ITBP base becomes untenable since it is directly threatened from the heights. Such oversight is by us is not possible. Noob question - how can one determine from satellite images alone that the structures on finger-4 ridge are Chinese...
by Larry Walker
20 Jun 2020 13:50
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Col Babu was CO of 16 Bihar - so I doubt if other units joined 16 Bihar in a retaliatory strike back. In some earlier Twitter feeds I remember reading that the surprise attack on Col Babu was not the only incident but Chinese had made sudden attacks across other points in the same region. Were these...
by Larry Walker
20 Jun 2020 03:01
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

I think GOI should play the long game. First take out Pakistan, build infrastructure, then go **** the Chinese. 2-3 years, it can happen before this election. Maybe the Chinese have an inkling of the roadmap that Modi is following and they are trying to preempt the action when the prep is still som...
by Larry Walker
20 Jun 2020 02:34
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Both in Finger 4 and Galwan valley on the Chinese side, the first thing they did after coming, was to start building structures and roads. This is what we need to do as well. Get in on our LAC side and build all the roads and structure. Before we go to war, we need to get our position hardened. My ...
by Larry Walker
20 Jun 2020 02:18
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Even in Pangong lake - finger-4 ridge-line is of no particular value. There is nothing much happening on the Indian side for a 24X7 monitoring and if they ever need to peek into Indian side they could have used a drone. It is of significance only if they are planning a direct attack, that too artill...
by Larry Walker
20 Jun 2020 01:44
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Mukesh.Kumar wrote:
Bas kar kake Bacche ki jaan lega kya? Unka mann kiya to kiya.

Ye Shaolin wala khahani kahan suna Kerala- Bengaluru mein?


Yaar Tuesday morning se DKMKB (d==dimaag) kar rakha hai yeh Chiniyon ne ... Isiliye Friday evening baith ke soch raha hoon..kya mila yeh sab karke in chachundaron ko ??!!
by Larry Walker
20 Jun 2020 01:22
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Still the events on night of 15-Jun do not make sense from Chinese perspective - I still cannot understand what were they trying to achieve. Multiple sources have mentioned Shaolin swords and spears were used by Chinese and attack was almost simultaneous upon atleast few or more Indian patrols - whi...
by Larry Walker
20 Jun 2020 01:06
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

So what has happened is that China has converted the overlapping zone between Indian and Chinese LAC perception lines into permanent Chinese territory. So yes, technically China has not entered India (Indian land lying beyond their earlier LAC perception), but it is a fact that India has permanentl...
by Larry Walker
20 Jun 2020 00:18
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

So what has happened is that China has converted the overlapping zone between Indian and Chinese LAC perception lines into permanent Chinese territory. So yes, technically China has not entered India (Indian land lying beyond their earlier LAC perception), but it is a fact that India has permanently...
by Larry Walker
19 Jun 2020 17:20
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Situation will only go towards a short intense border war. With loss of our jawans GoI cannot back down till all our areas are back with us - with so much loss Chinese cannot back down on their side since it was CPC's army and commander XiPing that was served a thappad and they have nothing to show ...
by Larry Walker
19 Jun 2020 12:22
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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I am getting tired of this chest thumping - we are attributing the unparalleled bravery showed by our lion-hearts as a strategy win ?? It's not. The only solace in this entire episode is that we finally killed more of theirs - but then don't we keep espounding on forum that objectives are more impor...
by Larry Walker
19 Jun 2020 03:22
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

If this true and they have released 10 jawans including officers then we are in de-escalation mode. Forget it. If we make a move now, it would be something extraordinarily unpredictable that our nation will never do because of our honor. We are simply unlike the pakis and chinis. When got Abhi back...
by Larry Walker
19 Jun 2020 03:15
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Also, if they have not moved back from any of their advance positions, it implies that all talks and negotiations and agreements were treachery and they never planned to vacate but rather entrap Indian soldiers as pow and forcefully change status-quo and humiliate Modi and Indian armed forces. This ...
by Larry Walker
19 Jun 2020 02:54
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Since I am not privy to sources or contacts, it is first time I am hearing of this entire chain-of-events. But then I am wondering whether Shaolin swords and spears are part of PLA standard issue weapons ? Entire action from Chinese side was well planned and choreographed - the only saving grace was...
by Larry Walker
19 Jun 2020 02:04
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

ldev, What is the problem? Why you want to claim a loss when its a victory for our troops. IA has cleared out all the fingers. Sirjap is a Chinese base. Still with them'. Galwan Valley clash is where the PLA had to evacuate. Modi hatred should not transfer to the soldiers. Then we arre no diffrent ...
by Larry Walker
19 Jun 2020 01:38
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

I still can't think of what China will achieve even if it captures entire Pangong lake ?? What is even a tactical advantage of occupying a land that hardly provides any gains and always risk retaliation coming down from the mountains. Need some help to understand what is China's objective in fightin...
by Larry Walker
18 Jun 2020 23:47
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Chinese have successfully saved GB for one more summer and cast enough doubts in our heads that we don't plan for GB takeover for the coming few years. So have they met their strategic objectives ?? Boss, you need to dial it down. Page after page you are creating lot of clutter. Let me know in your...
by Larry Walker
18 Jun 2020 23:15
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Although I know that some dhoti shiverers get caught up the notion of a 10Ft Chinaman, this entire episode takes me back to the 27 Feb Swift Retreat by Fizzleya where they they took advantage of our "cast in stone" RoE to fire off AIM120 from within their territory. Here again our RoE is ...
by Larry Walker
18 Jun 2020 22:56
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

The urgent purchase of 33 fighters to me seems like attrition backfill. IAF is expecting soen losses in a conflict post which it has to still retain posture against China. The assumption is that whatever is upcoming though it will lead to some losses but it will not involve a full-scale war against ...
by Larry Walker
18 Jun 2020 20:39
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

Why do we assume that Chinese will now suddenly go dharmic and non-violent ? We are taking this situation like trucks of Indian and Chinese armies collided during patrolling and some lives were lost !! No - they planned it and then hunted our defenceless bravehearts. Even if they had only physically...
by Larry Walker
18 Jun 2020 20:21
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Let me ask a hypothetical question - what news or developments need to happen in next 4-5 days so that come next Tuesday morning, you feel that we have not been out-manouvered and beaten back by China.
by Larry Walker
18 Jun 2020 18:36
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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larry sir. do you have a vehicle? I will donate an Indian flag, please drive to GB and host the flag. Stupid IA, they are planning things like logistics, men required, counter attack by TSP, also worried about trivial items like forces not being cut off and surrounded. And please while you are at i...
by Larry Walker
18 Jun 2020 17:57
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020
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Re: India's Border Security with China and Pakistan-2020

I repeat ad-nauseum - we retake GB and kill CPEC. Everything else will be an aimless shooting war. When the lizard can hide thousands of corona deaths, a couple of thousand more will not matter - so a shooting war on LAC will not yield dividends in terms of slaying the lizard.

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