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by Murugan
04 May 2018 11:14
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Some examples of multiple foreign language and script usage in Indian administration that could not become mainstream (numismatics, legal documents), mostly Bi-lingual, Bi-script: Ancient: Greek in North West of India, Bactria. Largely bilingual Greek - Prakrit Medieval 1) Arabic - 13th century to m...
by Murugan
04 May 2018 10:24
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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For last 6-7 centuries there is a constant migration of Gujaratis to Maharashtra region/heartland. For last 3 centuries Marathi speaking population has moved to Gujarat in large number - up to deep south in Saurashtra. Migrated Gujaratis have learnt to fluently speak Marathi. Many Gujju origin busin...
by Murugan
29 Apr 2018 17:11
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Ashokan Brahmi alphabets

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/brahmi.htm

(this has misconstrued set of Brahmi numbers, ignore it.)
by Murugan
29 Apr 2018 17:09
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Sangam Age Brahmi (Tamil Brahmi) vowesl and consonants set. This brahmi also had seen different variations but only one version, that is Mahadevbhai's version is available, which I am not very fond of. Since that is the only source for sangam brahmi set: http://virtualvinodh.com/pdfs/Adinatha_Tamil_...
by Murugan
29 Apr 2018 17:03
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Brahmi script and numbers have donned different shapes over the years, remained in vogue for 1000+ years. when they were used on inscriptions, manuscripts and on coins by die engravers, personal touch may make them look slightly different. Keep this in mind.
by Murugan
29 Apr 2018 16:54
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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... point out any resources that provides some insights (and any resources) into the origins and evolution of numeral system in Brahmi/Nagari scripts? Chanakya garu, Brahmi Script: It is very easy to understand Brahmi if you know any Indian script thoroughly/knowledge of Dava Nagara or Nandi Nagari...
by Murugan
28 Apr 2018 14:12
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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'Sakya'muni in Ashokan inscription re. Sakyamuni's grand uncle (around 700 bce only) was one Sakkodhan Scythians broadly (c700BC-???): The Greeks called most of the people north of the Black Sea ‘Scythians’. The Persians called the people of the central steppe Sakas, the two words meaning about the ...
by Murugan
28 Apr 2018 13:57
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Ok. Dr Bisht also posts his work in academia.edu. Here it is. There are many other interesting papers.

https://asi.academia.edu/RavindraSinghBisht
by Murugan
28 Apr 2018 13:29
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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@Prem Kumar - will sure look at it. I believe I have a saved copy but right now I am far away from my home PC. *** Dr. Bisht, you have given us a fascinating view of ancient India and that too one contrary to what most of us learnt in schools. It has been a pleasure talking to you. Dr Bisht: It is m...
by Murugan
28 Apr 2018 12:39
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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@Prem Kumar - you wd like to see this: https://www.facebook.com/AncientIndus/photos/a.10150315616924846.360999.24752074845/10153289259369846/?type=3&theater April 23, 2015 Finally, the Dholavira excavation reports by R.S. Bisht, the site's principal investigator, are available on the ASI website...
by Murugan
28 Apr 2018 12:28
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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There is an indication here why his report was subject to that treatment: Quite early in his career (1968-71), he was involved in excavations at Sanghol that led to the discovery of a site that extended from the late mature Harappan period to the modern. In 1971, he joined the new state of Haryana w...
by Murugan
28 Apr 2018 12:22
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Murugan: what's the Dholavira excavation report that was unpublished for 9 years? Dholavira excavation was carried out by one enthusiastic archaeologist R S Bisht. The excavation was over in 2005. Dholavira was an advanced city. youtube video for Masters of the River briefly shows R S Bisht at work...
by Murugan
28 Apr 2018 12:15
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Now the hybrid praja of Hungai (acronym for Hunter Gatherer Indians), Agriculturist and Pastoralist developes astronomical observatories in IVC ! Hybrid is always progressive praja...

PAH !!! (For Pastoralist + Agriculturist + Hunter gatherer hybrids)
by Murugan
28 Apr 2018 12:07
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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For Nilesh ji A POSSIBLE HARAPPAN ASTRONOMICAL OBSERVATORY AT DHOLAVIRA Abstract: Astronomy arises very early in a civilisation and evolves as the civilisation advances. It is therefore reasonable to assume that a vibrant knowledge of astronomy would have been a feature of a civilisation the size of...
by Murugan
28 Apr 2018 12:03
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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shiv wrote:Murugan do you know if it is थ or ठ because in Kannada ठ is like circle with dot in it (unable to produce using Quillpad)


थ is like theta, a dot in a circle
ठ is a circle, a mandala.
by Murugan
28 Apr 2018 11:59
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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my little conspiracy theory: The 72 strong biorixv papers are forced and hurried construct to water down Rakhigarhi and its finds. The paper leaves more questions to be answered. It is timed as such. Dholavira excavation report was not published for a very long time. Report was ready in 2005, and if...
by Murugan
28 Apr 2018 10:58
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Making it little easy for you doctor

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by Murugan
28 Apr 2018 09:42
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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shiv wrote:Is it Left to Right or Right to Left?


Brahmi = Left to Right. This is Brahmi. Ashokan Brahmi

Kharoshthi = Right to left (like persian, arabic, urdu)
by Murugan
27 Apr 2018 17:22
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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https://www.cs.colostate.edu/~malaiya/asoka1.gif word soup (soopathaya = for making soup or curry written in Brahmi) inscribed on ashokan rock edict. 9th line, last four letters and 11th line letter 6,7,8,9 soo pa tha ya Translation: Beloved-of-the-Gods, King Piyadasi, has caused this Dhamma edict ...
by Murugan
27 Apr 2018 17:00
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Rummindei_inscription.jpg/500px-Rummindei_inscription.jpg Twenty years after (VeeSaTiVaSaBhiSiTen) his coronation, Beloved-of-the-Gods (deVaNaPiYen), King Piyadasi (PiyaDasin), visited this place and worshipped because here the Buddha, the s...
by Murugan
27 Apr 2018 15:02
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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What were the attractions for Pastoralists and Agriculturists to cross difficult rivers like Indus, Saraswati and other big rivers to seed ugly hunter gatherers ?
by Murugan
27 Apr 2018 10:43
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Topic: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2
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Distance Between Lahuradewa and Rakhigarhi approx 1000 kms = Lahurdewa is 1000 km east of Rakhigarhi Evidence of rice cultivation at both the places are found at same timeline, i.e. 6th millennium BCE. Rakhigarhi is not final antiquity of India. *** Ye bledy yindians are now reduced to Hunter Gather...
by Murugan
27 Apr 2018 10:31
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1) Because vyasa was born around 5561 BCE.
2) The sense of omen was prevalent in his time.
3) Vasishtha Arundhati darshan was practiced at that time and before that time, especially as a post marriage ritual.
4) Vyasa was an astronomer too
by Murugan
27 Apr 2018 09:54
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One branch of hunter-gatherers were agriculturalist by stroke of luck : Lahuradewa (district Sant Kabir Nagar; 26°46’ N; 82°-57’E) is in the trans-Sarayu plain, the Sarayu being a major tributary of the Ganga. The excavations have revealed new information regarding the early farming cultures of the ...
by Murugan
27 Apr 2018 09:40
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^^^^ https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.edu.documents/31577797/The_origins_of_iron_working_in_India_new_evidence_from_the_Central_Ganga_Plain_and_the_Eastern_Vindhyas.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAIWOWYYGZ2Y53UL3A&Expires=1524769393&Signature=1CftRe%2BHj5yDOg2M8Gp341sbKd8%3D&response-content-di...
by Murugan
25 Apr 2018 15:12
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At least During mature Harappan period gold from Kolar gold field was exported to ISVC Lothal which is near Bhavnagar - 1500-1700 km. Indian Bead makers colony in Mesopotemia **** “The first Indus-inspired circular stamp seals of “Gulf-type” appear in the layers at Qala’at al-Bahrain concurrent wit...
by Murugan
25 Apr 2018 14:15
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Some researchers, even those associated with the current study like Shinde, aren’t quite convinced that an ancient influx of people into the subcontinent from the northwest has finally been established by the latest findings. Shinde does not like the word ‘migration’. “It is better to say movement,...
by Murugan
25 Apr 2018 13:10
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It remains to be seen how and when the hybrid native south asian people (made up of Indian Hunter Gatherer + TFTA Pastoralist + Avestin Agriculturist) developed the inherited PIE language in the native heartland, called it Sanskrit and took it in different directions - to extremely north-west Lithua...
by Murugan
24 Apr 2018 13:48
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Priesistoririe Lietuva, by a Lithuanian archaeologist Pulk Tarasenka, which uncovered the following records from ancient Lithuania. River names : Nemuna (Yamuna), Tapti (Tapti), Narbudey (Narmada), Srobati (Saraswati) Tribal or Clan names of the Lithuanians : Kuru, Puru, Yadav, Sudav Gods or Deitie...
by Murugan
24 Apr 2018 13:14
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Pookerin' Romany By Simon Evans Ever wondered where words like ‘cushti’ and ‘wonga’ come from? In fact they are Romany words, part of an ancient sanskrit language that originated in the Indus Valley in the Indian sub continent over 1000 years ago. http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/articles/2005/08/...
by Murugan
19 Apr 2018 09:53
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Thus the Behistun inscription mentions four divisions of Scythians, the Sakā paradraya "Saka beyond the sea" of Sarmatia, the Sakā tigraxaudā "Saka with pointy hats/caps", the Sakā haumavargā "haoma-drinking Saka"(Amyrgians, the Saka tribe in closest proximity to Bactri...
by Murugan
13 Apr 2018 10:23
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Coming up next:

Proto-Indo-European Relgion
Proto-Indo-European Society
and
Pre-Indo-Europeans :lol:
by Murugan
12 Apr 2018 11:08
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Nilesh-ji do you have access to the verse where Duryodhan is calling Lord Krishna an Anarya ? Also Sita calling herself Anarya when she was shown effigy of Lord Rama by Ravana ?
by Murugan
12 Apr 2018 10:55
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I wonder if someone can take Hindi, Gujarati and Bengali and "reconstruct Sanskrit from that"? Like many daughters together re-producing a mamma ? ***** An encyclopedic work on India is needed. India's Asmita - the all out awareness of India/Indians' quest in mundane (science, languages, ...
by Murugan
11 Apr 2018 10:43
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The traditionally priestly castes per Narasimhan et. al. Pandit Brahmin_Haryana Brahmin_Nepal Bhumihar_Bihar Brahmin_Tiwari Brahmin_UP Bhumihar_UP Havik Brahmin_Karnataka... Traditionally there are two types of priestly class in India: 1) Pancha Gauda (Saraswat, Gauda, Kanyakubja (UP, Bihar and Eas...
by Murugan
06 Apr 2018 09:46
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NumeralCardinal numbersOrdinal numbers0۰(sefr) صفر 1۱(yek) یک(yikum) پكم2۲(do) دو(duvvum) دوم3۳(se) سه(sivvum) سوم4۴(chahâr) چهار(chihârum) چحارم5۵(panj) پنج(panjum) پنجم6۶(shesh) شش(shishum) ششم7۷(haft) هفت(haftum) هفتم8۸(hasht) هشت(hashtum) هشتم9۹(noh) نه(nuhum) نهم10۱۰(dah) ده(dahum) دهم The sans...

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