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by Picklu
29 May 2019 23:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
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Views: 38137

Re: West Bengal - news and strategy thread

Ok, just saw the dictates. No more from my side.
by Picklu
29 May 2019 23:32
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Picklu ji, industrial revolution happened in britain / europe , but without learning english didn't Chinese Japanese learn to make aircrafts trains satellites, their children have been learning physics math chemistry in non-European languages and operate trains... Our Kumbh is happening even in Yud...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 22:34
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: West Bengal - news and strategy thread

Sorry, i made a few edits to my previous post, to expound more. Added similar reference to western society as well. However, i have no doubt that west needs fixing in many different cases. That however does not make it right for us to continue in the same vein. My point is not to be in supine positi...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 22:27
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: West Bengal - news and strategy thread

Sudeepj, while we were and are ok in most aspect, do you think that there is no need of progress any more? Or around 200 years back, at the time of RRR, there were no need to further progress and everything were same as today? Obviously not. We are continuously evolving as a people. While most scho...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 22:16
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: West Bengal - news and strategy thread

RRMR wrote about the Hinduism he experienced: From considerations like these it has been that I (although born a Brahmin and instructed in my youth in all the principles of that sect), being thoroughly convinced of the lamentable errors of my countrymen, have been stimulated to employ every means i...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 22:10
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: West Bengal - news and strategy thread

Rahul M, the fact that you have to write a long rebuttal is the basic problem that BJP faces for past thirty years in Kerala - lack of tailoring a message to the specific state and incorporating local historic figures into the pantheon. If RRR has issues due to his Unitarian beliefs (frankly, some ...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 21:52
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

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I would also like to point out something else . Hindus at the time of RRR faced EJ pressure much more than what hindus at the time of Rajiv Malhotra today. Just check and compare the success of both in preventing Xtian conversion and you would have your own answer who has done a more creditworthy job.
by Picklu
29 May 2019 21:49
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: West Bengal - news and strategy thread

Dont take this to mean that I am rejecting RRR, his historic role or prominence in our story, or attacking the totality of his ideas and least of all attacking Bengal. My issue is with the narrative that Indian people were broken before great reformers like RRR, Ishwar Chandra Vidya Sagar, Phule, G...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 21:17
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: West Bengal - news and strategy thread

^^ Krishna, none of these problems of local and sanskrit language can be attributed to RRR. It was an already prevalent condition at his time. He had two options, remain in dark along with his country men or leap frog *. He choose later. Our current prosperity gives us much more strength to counter ...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 20:36
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Picklu, please heed suryag's warning and post now on in WB thread. May I request the admins to transfer these posts to WB thread so that we can continue on the specifics? I think the topic of rewriting history is important and would not like to loose the chain of thought and the posts that went int...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 20:31
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Every point brought forth by TI and his supporters has been shown to have counter interpretation which is more plausible given the time and situation. People at that time didn't have the modern knowledge facilities and the coercive power of the orthodox society in which everybody lived in was again ...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 17:11
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

One might wonder why RRMR did not find the monotheism of Islam to be of any appeal. Perhaps a bit of his thinking is revealed here, in the closing of his Final Appeal. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pe4Lg8fC7-w/XO5pTINZSdI/AAAAAAAAHpE/Wb4rFzOYg58jDZvz7lCtCmyfNmcrAM-YACLcBGAs/s1600/RMR-final-appeal-003....
by Picklu
29 May 2019 17:03
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Now TI brings some other unitary xtian who claims RRR as their own and brands RRR with that as primary source. TI is not the problem there, he is reasonable and can be argued with. The problem is the huge "hindu" fan brigade in twitter who would just shout everyone down whoever tries to co...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 16:55
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Let me add a few colored highlight and then make your own conclusion whether he converted or simply impresses and using appropriate communication medium brought the good practices to masses. http://uudb.org/articles/rajarammohunroy.html Unitarian view of RRMR Returning to Calcutta in 1815, Roy gathe...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 16:30
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Did you do any research to say that it's not visible? Where in my original post said it was visible or not visible. It's only a question for people more knowledgeable then me. I think i am the only one who have actually seen a Brahma Samaji (might be a few other bongs in the forum but I doubt anyon...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 16:16
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

A power much superior when control/invade a land it first face resistance and then acceptance. Post acceptance can bring two extreme reactions from the people of the land. Some can be infatuated by the power, its culture and some continue to detest it. Both are natural reactions. And if we lionize ...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 16:08
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

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As the Roop Kanwar incident in 1987 and the subsequent framing of law shows, there is no remedy other than penal provision by the rulers of the land for such dastardly act in the name of religion. Same is the case of Triple Talaq and Nikah Halala. Exactly what RRR had done on that time and exactly ...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 15:55
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

So what is the real controversy. That Raja was a Christian convert. If he was then elements of Christianity would be visible in Brahma samaj. That is there, some elements/practices of Christianity but a large part of hinduism. Mostly removing the bad practices of Hinduism that were prevalent in the...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 15:34
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Pratyush, you are just giving RRR benefit of the doubt that he wouldn't have known what's going on in Europe for centuries from mid 1400s. Fine, we can come up with our own inferences. I am not sure that European situation and the British role is pertinent to this discussion. What I am sure off is ...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 15:23
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

I am telling you, look up TI's timeline, he had major argument with likes of Hindol Sengupta and Kanchan Gupta just yesterday and the day before where he provides proofs of RRR's actions and motivations. If you are unwilling to see, then that's your problem. I am not unwilling to see. It is exactly...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 15:02
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

:lol: it is not there ? ok If it is there, it would be easy to provide a link? no? You are so sanguine, should be easy for you. All TI provide as proof is some one else claiming RRR as unitary xtian. By that logic, quoting Shivam Vij and Nikhil Wagle and rest of the tukde tukde gang, NaMo becomes a...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 15:00
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Karthik S wrote:
Picklu wrote:
You still haven't provided the proof other than "heresy" that RRR was a convert


Look up TI's timeline, you'll have enough evidence, sorry can't copy paste for you.


It is NOT there. I have checked. All that's there is heresy and innuendo.
by Picklu
29 May 2019 14:56
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Pratyush, you are just giving RRR benefit of the doubt that he wouldn't have known what's going on in Europe for centuries from mid 1400s. Fine, we can come up with our own inferences. You still haven't provided the proof other than "heresy" that RRR was a convert. If this has already bee...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 14:37
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

The bolded line above is not correct IMVHO. As far as I have followed the discussion, there is no proof that RRR have accepted himself as unitarian xtian . It is quite contrary per his own statement. The proof from primary source provided by TI is that some other unitarian claiming RRR as one of th...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 14:35
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

I am trying to understand this Raja Ram Mohan Rai controversy. But I am unable to do so. Why are we trying to judge a man who lived 200 years ago by the standards of today. That too of a small segment of society. He may have gotten a few things right and a few things wrong. What is the need to judg...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 14:19
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

And I would like to see a link where the proof is that RRR accepted himself as unitarian xtian instead of someone else claiming him to be one.

I have no problem to be corrected if I am wrong.
by Picklu
29 May 2019 14:12
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

I am saying that His goal was to improve Hinduism and so he came up with an offshoot of Hinduism, same as Buddhism, Sikhism etc. Think about it, all denigration of old religion etc that are going to RRR are equally applicable to the those 2. Understanding the social context is important. He didn't ...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 13:08
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

siqir wrote:सत्यमेवजयते।

जय हिन्द।


জয় মা কালী।

পাঁঠা বলি।
by Picklu
29 May 2019 12:58
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

english is a prakrit and in no way comparable to sanskrit there are any number of prakrits but only one sanskrit in this world terming english superior to sanskrit and european science better reflects an inferiority complex and massive lack of knowledge rajaram mohan roy actions were bad for us and...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 12:49
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Rahul, it's not putting our icons on pedestal. It is about doing an impartial analysis taking the context into picture. The primary sources from that period have multiple layers applied on top of them and to reach the crux of it, the outer layers need to be removed. Lot of core goals were hidden us...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 12:42
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: West Bengal - news and strategy thread

Saurav Ganguly is too soft for politics. Moreover, he is hand in glove with didi. However, this election has shown the leadership qualities within the Bengal BJP. A lot of credit must go to Dilip Ghosh (state BJP prez) for his aggressive attitude. He did help the party's rise. But before him it was...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 12:37
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: West Bengal - news and strategy thread

Picklu I think you see too much into the Vidyasagar statue demolition. Average Bengali knows its #Jihadidi work. BJP getting 19 seats is quite good. If violence had been curbed in the first two phases the tally would be more. And the story is not over yet. Jihadidi has her own investigation into th...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 12:15
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

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meanwhile enjoy this epic trolling of MB as she comes out of Raj Bhawan. https://twitter.com/mvmeet/status/1133422298000547840 Her facial expression is a sight to behold as people are shouting Jai Sriram to her. :rotfl: :rotfl: I don't know if bjp was directly up to this, but if they were, kudos to...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 11:53
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

On Rammohan Roy, his reformist credential is beyond doubt but he also did a few iffy things, including falsely manipulate hindu scripts. There is also little doubt that he was strongly influence by xtianity and brahmo samaj was an amalgamation of xtian ethos within a nominally sanatan dharma framew...
by Picklu
29 May 2019 11:44
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

Problem is some of the yahoo non-bengalis seem to have an axe to grind against Bengalis for their perceived "leftism". Bengals trajectory since partition is similar to Punjab's in many ways and Punjab even now voted heavily to INC despite BJP wave in neighborhood. Bit Punjab doesnt get th...
by Picklu
28 May 2019 15:47
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
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Views: 38137

Re: West Bengal - news and strategy thread

A totally unnecessary blue on blue on twitter on Raja Rammohan Roy. There were 9 loksabha seats in WB on 7th phase out of which Dumdum and Kolkata Uttar were winnable given the wave but we lost after the Vidyasagar statue incident and the inept handling of the same by BJP. Today all Bengali newspape...
by Picklu
28 May 2019 15:46
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: West Bengal - news and strategy thread
Replies: 349
Views: 38137

Re: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion

A totally unnecessary blue on blue on twitter on Raja Rammohan Roy. There were 9 loksabha seats in WB on 7th phase out of which Dumdum and Kolkata Uttar were winnable given the wave but we lost after the Vidyasagar statue incident and the inept handling of the same by BJP. Today all Bengali newspape...
by Picklu
27 May 2019 17:06
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion
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Views: 104474

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7igAIVUwAEhDzb.jpg The situation is far worse in AE compared to GE for jihadidi. In many LS seat that TMC won, 4 to 5 VS seats under it are with BJP and a single rural minority dominant VS seat has given them the necessary 50k+ lead to win the LS itself covering all suc...
by Picklu
27 May 2019 17:02
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion
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My gut feel is GG would be the Shotgun Singh of the current NDA
by Picklu
26 May 2019 22:29
Forum: Strategic Issues & International Relations Forum
Topic: 2019 General Elections : Results Discussion
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Thats not correct. In fact it is the opposite to what you say. A law HAS TO PASS through parliament. If it hasn't it is unconstitutional in the first place. So you are effectively undoing something that was unconstitutional and "illegal" in the first place. In fact it sets precedent that ...

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