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by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 08:53
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
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Alok Gurudev are we still in BEEF mode? I thought we passed that stage or is it just me whose eyes are covered by illusion of MAYA? vishy dear, one can never underestimate the power of Beef ... entire religious edicts have been built upon the powers granted to those that eat this sacred meat ... I ...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 08:38
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

Wild buffalo meat is not available (i might be wrong) in US. hehehe ... not to simple folks like you ... but Bade had the advantage of working in Blessed Real American Wild Buffalo Land ... as far as Beef goes, Bade had access to Beef of Beefs ... however, I agree ... real Wild American Buffalo Bee...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 08:30
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

Can one tell the difference between buffalo meat and cow meat ? I have had none except the American mid west variety at a dingy lab cafeteria where it tasted like rubber ... Boss, in that dingy lab, you had the opportunity to taste the real "American Buffalo" ... that is sacred meat that ...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 07:47
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

Alok, I think we are talking past one another. Religion's USP is not just about the ultimate nature/laws of the universe, which of course physics grapples with. It also spends a lot of effort on the nature of consciousness, the origin of life, etc. nice towel .. but no dice ... :) the asertion, mis...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 06:45
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

Alok: The issue of beef still stands, because it is an allegory. You think that the majority should get its way on any issue, and that nothing is protected or inalienable. well, at least now it is an allegory rather than "central" ... what I think about "inalienable" is that suc...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 06:40
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

Wrong example. Non-smokers form majority, but they do NOT support robbing the smokers who form minority. RM-ji, in California, the majority has voted a few years ago to tax the minority ... it may have been a resonable thing if the "cigarette tax" went towards helping smokers to quit smok...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 06:24
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

are *any* rights that are inalienable under any circumstance? none whatsoever ... if you align with the majority, beg and whine, you will have "rights" ... At least I know where you stand on this. And now we can respectfully disagree. all respect all the way ... no need for shortchanging ...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 06:14
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

Alok - If this is a discussion of "majority rules", it is irrelevant how important it is to *me*. Since, by definition, I am a minority of one. now you're talking ... welcome to the world of suppressed minoritie of one ... I am impressed that you have lived your life without having experi...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 06:06
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

Ah.. Alon ji.. We really are kindred souls. yes, my apologies about the earlier rant on IT/Vity issues ... when the rubber hits the road, our "religious concerns" about a constant availabity of liquor is supreme ... these Christian oppressors need to understand their evil ways ... All win...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 05:53
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

There are many laws like the liquor laws that are a direct result of the opinion of the majority taking effect. Liquor is not the end of it, there are speed limits on the highways, laws against prostitution, laws against narcotic drugs trafficking and consumption, taxes on cigarrettes, age limits o...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 05:46
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

My point was the imposition on Aloks Liquor rights was administrative in nature and not religious persecution. He can ofcourse either riot or stock up on a saturday if it really that important. of course, I stocked up ... one learns to live with the oppression ... but occasionally, the party on Sat...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 05:42
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

The question that is being raised is a simple one, is the injunction against cow slaughter a religious one, or one pertaining to dharma. I had generously offered you that lattitude ... however, now I am arguing that the injunction is based purely on the wishes of the majority without any considerat...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 05:26
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

As for the workweek in the US, while there are traditional weekends, this is not legislated by law, as far as I am aware. If it were, how do facilities operate on a 24-hour basis? it is true of private enterprise ... No it is not. There are areas in the US, where general businesses such as malls, s...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 05:20
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
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And then beef about SD's perceived beef with beef gets aired and the thread unravels so fast? Why? One could say the poster in question probably didn't mean to derail the thread/didn't know well SD's diverse positions on beef etc with beef but then we hear the poster carefully selected those words?...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 05:12
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

As for the workweek in the US, while there are traditional weekends, this is not legislated by law, as far as I am aware. If it were, how do facilities operate on a 24-hour basis? it is true of private enterprise ... however, I work for the Government ... and I have no choice in the matter ... if i...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 05:05
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

btw, Calvin, I hope you caught my post where I argued that Beef should be banned in India for no other reason than that the majority is against it ... I am not inserting any weasel words ... it is fair and simple ... just ban what people don't want ... Beef is just one out of a myriad of products .....
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 04:56
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

Alok, there is an extant discussion focusing specifically on the dharmic, religious and political aspects surrounding this issue of where the threat of "communal violence" will lead us. that is one simplistic aspect of the deeper issue ... I have tried to bring it out, but you have failed...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 04:35
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

IMO, it is on course ... we need to settle the centrality of Beef to christianity and the perceived oppression in its denial ... if it takes 9 pages, so be it ... but let's do it once and for all ... for example, when was "Beefeater Gin" launched? ... was that in the Colonial era? ... was ...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 03:39
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

please check the facts ... how can a non-beef eating army have won against TFTA beef-eaters?

could it be that they had Beefeater Gin? :lol:
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 02:15
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

ok, enough Beef Gyaan ... I promise to delete all my Beef posts if others do ... but, quite honestly, we have barely scratched the surface of all that is there to the topic of Beef ... parting thought: Bovine Emissions is being studied as a legitimate source of Greenhouse Gases ... Should the Kyoto ...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 02:09
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

Tilak,

please don't make fun of WOT related issues ...

Congress has left its indelible mark on All Foods Right and Relevant ...

they are the proud inventors of Freedom Fries ...

so the technically correct question to ask is, "Are Freedom Fries served in Iraq?" ...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 02:02
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

How dare you kill RICE? My majority religious sentiments are stamped over. vishy, you appear to be an expert on such matters ... I am seriously concerned about the rights of Cannibals ... Just because the majority is against it, is that sufficient reason to BAN MANSLAUGHTER? We should be marching u...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 01:53
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

Why not to convert this thread into various BEEF recipes looks every TSJ, Calvin and Vishy is more interested in steak than serious discussion. yes, ALL BEEF, ALL THE TIME ... Here is what I learned from a French colleague about how to cook a good rare steak ... 1. start a fire 2. get a steak 3. In...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 01:49
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

vishy, may as well join in the fun before Shiv comes and locks the thread ... here is a recipe for Dog I learned in the Northeast ... 1. Start with a Dog. Keep him hungry for days. 2. When he is starving, feed him losts of half-cooked rice. 3. As soon as the poor bugger is done wolfing down the rice...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 01:43
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

this sermonizing by folks whose ancestors are covered in blood is cute ... :lol:

next act:

TSJ will sing praises of how Native Americans are Free ...

C/D-ji may chime in with Aurangzeb, The Just ...

:rotfl:
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 01:41
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

are there Blacks who are presidents of countries in the west?
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 01:17
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

I deliberately didn't tell the whole story about Kodungalloor Bharani and as I can see, Valkan and Disha have jumped the gun already. :D frankly, I have no interest in whatever story it is you are trying to tell ... but, admittedly attempting to bait/trap is not very useful ... somehow, I doubt tha...
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 00:33
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

TSJ is struggling ...

yes, in India there is an attempt to provide at least one National holiday for each religion ...

that is not the same as a Weekend every week ...

Saturday caters to Jews and Sunday to Christians ... what about the rest?
by Alok_N
02 Apr 2007 00:15
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

TSJ can shoot from the peanut gallery but has no time for simple questions ... once again, is the Government of the United States sanctioned holiday on Sunday a Religious Act or not? why not have a rotating system? ... one year weekends could be Sat-Sun, Fri-Sat the next, Tue-Wed the third etc etc ....
by Alok_N
01 Apr 2007 23:26
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

It is not a "cow thingy", it is a question of individual rights. what if I simply state that according to Indian cultural value system, it is not your right to eat a cow ... will you just huff and puff or demonstrate to me why each of your whims should be catered to? will you point to any...
by Alok_N
01 Apr 2007 23:13
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

ok, this thread has officially entered cow corner ... let the googling games begin ... it is amazing how the larger picture can be subverted into cow thingy ... Calvin will say "all we need is one exception to negate", point at the cow thingy, Sajan will back it up with google, and all ear...
by Alok_N
01 Apr 2007 22:17
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

In formal logic terms, it is called Petitio Principii. In informal BRF terms, it calls for mental Pepto Bismalii ... :) Usually people living in that area shut the doors and stay inside while the procession goes around (to avoid hearing "bharani paattu") during the festival. I don't see w...
by Alok_N
01 Apr 2007 22:04
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

That's why I am not in the pipeline to publish a peer-reviewed thesis on it. As long as people understand the logic behind Vedanta, that's good enough in my worldview. mathematics is quite useless for predicting physical reality ... historically, derived theories have rarely been correct ... empiri...
by Alok_N
01 Apr 2007 21:52
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

in fact I have an encyclomedia of great comments, but I am not gonna post them ... :lol:
by Alok_N
01 Apr 2007 21:50
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

this injection of Cow thingy into the discussion is a low brow attempt at hijacking ... In the previous thread, I was arguing that Cow in India is same as Dogs and Cats in the US ... it is a cultural thingy and attempts to make it religious are subterfuge ... Another example ... why is Sunday a Gove...
by Alok_N
01 Apr 2007 21:42
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

Yes, I told my American boss once that only the Indian cow was holy and the American cow is not. Hence I can eat the American cow/beef. I was given this line on Day 2 of my arrival in the US ... I was in the queue at McDonald's when this moment of religious doubt swept over me ... that logic remove...
by Alok_N
01 Apr 2007 21:26
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

this is sort of interesting ... if we say that "I am" is an axiom, and then postulate universal existence based on that axiom, then Godel will say that I can not draw any conclusion that is in violation of that axiom ... So, here we have: 1. Axiom == I am 2. Postulate == You also are. 3. C...
by Alok_N
01 Apr 2007 21:09
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion thread - 7
Replies: 371
Views: 70208

Calvin wrote:The difference the threat of "communal violence" and crying fire are well understood by anyone who thinks about it. Assertion is not logic.


unless you specify what the difference is, you are also making an assertion.

this is clear to anyone who thinks about it :)
by Alok_N
01 Apr 2007 12:43
Forum: Religion Discussion Archive
Topic: Religion Thread - 6
Replies: 323
Views: 57788

The evangelists probably have a hundred verses that insist that evangelization is a quintessence of their religion. so, if 10,000 is indeed the correct normalization, their needs would be 99% met without the need to evanjelize ... sorry calvin, I don't believe that "individual rights" is ...

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