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by saty
05 Dec 2006 13:37
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: India tests Prithvi based ABM-3
Replies: 320
Views: 78687

Negi, your query is sensible but since it comes with other clutter let me be a little caustic in reply (not directed to you) 1. Boost phase interception in BHERY BHERY DIFFICULT. Primarily a question of response time etc. Please READ the above article, also another one at http://www.acpr.org.il/publ...
by saty
05 Dec 2006 12:45
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: India tests Prithvi based ABM-3
Replies: 320
Views: 78687

The Interceptor missile kills in boost phase ... :) Any missile that Pakistan launches will be detected in boost phase itself. Points taken.BTW MIRV was a consequence of desire of making optimum use of the costly delivery platform(missile) and the breakthrough achieved in miniaturisation of the war...
by saty
05 Dec 2006 12:38
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Strategic Implications of India's ABM Test
Replies: 322
Views: 79802

Tech topic but since we are discussing detection here any way. Googling tells me (as I expected) that space based detection is not radar based but more like visual identification, the proposed US system seems to be IR based and was primarily to be used for threat detection such that other long range...
by saty
05 Dec 2006 12:13
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Strategic Implications of India's ABM Test
Replies: 322
Views: 79802

Ah the strat thread keeps turning into the tech thread and the tech one into strat. Guys, can we please keep the two seperate, I really dont want to have to cross post you know :wink:
by saty
05 Dec 2006 12:05
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: India tests Prithvi based ABM-3
Replies: 320
Views: 78687

With the newer information now released by DRDO, what does the second stage look like, i.e. the cut aways show the second stage a little above the mid body fins. However I could not get any data (weight, burn time, motor used, range etc) from the video as lot of that information was clipped away. (S...
by saty
04 Dec 2006 17:17
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Strategic Implications of India's ABM Test
Replies: 322
Views: 79802

The strategic implications of this demonstration ( I don't call it a "test") have not been grasped on this thread, with all respect to the fine postors here. I some what disagree, a whole bunch of posters here might not know their No Dong from Ghauri (me included) however there are some f...
by saty
04 Dec 2006 17:12
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Strategic Implications of India's ABM Test
Replies: 322
Views: 79802

joey wrote:after a decade or so we'll have self sufficient industry..... :evil:



Yes you are right I really dont know what you are saying, the only saving grace is I am absolutely confident that neither do you.

Cheers...
by saty
04 Dec 2006 14:22
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Strategic Implications of India's ABM Test
Replies: 322
Views: 79802

Not necessary!!! at all. Its israelis wish. Just like it was their wish and they started trading with china without US knowing then when US knowed they said NOT TO and israel stopped. . Yes I am saying exactly that. Do you think US does would not know of Israels involvement before hand in this case...
by saty
04 Dec 2006 13:26
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Strategic Implications of India's ABM Test
Replies: 322
Views: 79802

IOW if at all an adversary has a BM/ICBM with MRV capability they would try to inflict max damage via each missile (for cost and economics arent an issue when any one is at war). Yes expect if your number of nukes are limited and if the entire missile goes down you lose all your nukes. This could b...
by saty
04 Dec 2006 13:22
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Strategic Implications of India's ABM Test
Replies: 322
Views: 79802

Now look at Cuba/Vietnam etc etc who were under USSR influence. . Okay Joey, you really arent getting my message, one more try. 1) Israle is NOT in a position to go against US wishes. So if Israel does something US knows and okays. 2) There are ways to go around the MTCR in various ways. 3) I never...
by saty
04 Dec 2006 12:49
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Strategic Implications of India's ABM Test
Replies: 322
Views: 79802

Abhishek_CC, Anoop. Thanks for the replies, since the thread moved ahead by such a distance before I could respond I will try and give my thoughts on the current topics rather than the earlier posts. Yes, the ABM system cuts down Paks strat space when deployed, and yes the primary target is Chin. Pa...
by saty
04 Dec 2006 12:38
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Strategic Implications of India's ABM Test
Replies: 322
Views: 79802

That statement was referring to the homing loop. It has a converging property, ie the measurement inaccuracy reduces as it closes in. This do not apply to the command guided portion of the flight. ok, I see what you mean ... if it is a convergence algorithm, how does it handle branch points? ... sp...
by saty
04 Dec 2006 12:33
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Strategic Implications of India's ABM Test
Replies: 322
Views: 79802

They are making us know the small spin offs that is helping us from reinventing the wheel. I dont think GOI trusts US as much as Israel by any means, IMHO also Israel covertly spies on US.............. . Joey I am not attacking you. However there are a bunch of folks here who think US bad Israel go...
by saty
01 Dec 2006 17:08
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: India tests Prithvi based ABM-3
Replies: 320
Views: 78687

joey wrote:So this aint the pic of the ABM?
Million dollor question aint it :wink:
by saty
01 Dec 2006 16:50
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Strategic Implications of India's ABM Test
Replies: 322
Views: 79802

folks, is the tracking system for this ground-based or space-based or a combination of the two? As you know no "specific" information is forthcoming from initial DRDO press release etc., however based on conjectures on released info. it appears to be a long range ground based (as opposed ...
by saty
01 Dec 2006 16:46
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: Strategic Implications of India's ABM Test
Replies: 322
Views: 79802

Raj Malhotra wrote: Though if "India Today" does have an article today it will be cleared up soon enough.

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India today photo looks like a plain vanilla Prithvi, I for one am confused even more.
by saty
01 Dec 2006 16:29
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: India tests Prithvi based ABM-3
Replies: 320
Views: 78687

Gerard wrote:Caption suggests it is not a file photo but that looks like vanilla Prithvi.


I sure as hell cant figure out the two stages from this picture :eek: :shock: :eek:

Arun_S, JCage help!?!
by saty
01 Dec 2006 16:23
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: India tests Prithvi based ABM-3
Replies: 320
Views: 78687

IN my view, annual import of weapons of $5.5 billion may be reduced by few hundred million dollars to accelerate ABM development. you think all problems can be solved just by throwing money at them eh? Also when you want to cut down on forgien import bill you are also saying that "okay Indian ...
by saty
30 Nov 2006 17:18
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: India tests Prithvi based ABM-2
Replies: 324
Views: 71715

Abhishek's CC and _P; And Arun_S saar. If I may be so bold: While you guys have interesting geo-political analysis of the impact of a ABM system, isnt the analysis you are painting premature? You are painting a picture which assumes India has ABM deployed. However as Arun_S himself cautioned me, let...
by saty
30 Nov 2006 17:08
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: India tests Prithvi based ABM-2
Replies: 324
Views: 71715

As per research articles, technical details of Patriot system were covertly acquired by China from Israel. This, along with existing S-300 systems enabled China to develop HQ-9 long-range SAM (with limited ABM capability.) In my view, no nation may provide ToT for any kind of ABM defence (whether m...
by saty
30 Nov 2006 12:48
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: India tests Prithvi based ABM-2
Replies: 324
Views: 71715

ayyoo merlin/saty saarlu! You guys missed that indian express editorial linked in one of the last few pages. Author of the editorial claims to know the origins of the ground sensor and professed international collaboration is the only way to success. Saar, Me no fan of DDM no saar... Also I am no f...
by saty
30 Nov 2006 12:28
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: India tests Prithvi based ABM-2
Replies: 324
Views: 71715

I hope that DDM doesn't start on a fully functional and reliable ABM being too ambitious and costly and that DRDO must collaborate with foreign organizations on this. Thats the last thing we need. I hope that DDM does not start on that too, however as other more respected members of the forum have ...
by saty
30 Nov 2006 11:36
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: India tests Prithvi based ABM-2
Replies: 324
Views: 71715

Indeed, but Arun_S as you advised me, patience. Let the system be deployed first tech demonstrator is GREAT and wonderful but the strategic geo-pol scenario in the thread are not going to come true UNLESS we have a system deployed. And there is many a slip between the cup and the lip. (Not all becau...
by saty
30 Nov 2006 11:05
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: India tests Prithvi based ABM-2
Replies: 324
Views: 71715

Sudhanshu wrote:It is up to you to suggest me what should I think.


Read read read read read read read

Listen listen listen listen listen listen

After a few years of this MAYBE speak.
by saty
29 Nov 2006 12:54
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: India tests Prithvi based ABM-2
Replies: 324
Views: 71715

Correction, the target missile was specifically designed to mimic a missile in its non-powered phase for interception. liquid fueled prithvi has on board intelligence for course correction, it is not purely ballistic. It is programmable flight patterns and its flight path is not predictable. http:/...
by saty
29 Nov 2006 12:03
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: India tests Prithvi based ABM-2
Replies: 324
Views: 71715

Another point we are missing out in our celebrations in that we have also inadvertantly proved that a P I can be intercepted :evil: We have also "leaked" some details of the system which can do so!! I am sure not all across our various borders and beyond are dim wits and they will also not...
by saty
29 Nov 2006 11:59
Forum: Mil-Tech Archive
Topic: India tests Prithvi based ABM-2
Replies: 324
Views: 71715

One thing weird is that instead of calling it a straightforward ABM test, the DRDO spokepersons caused confusion by claiming that they were planning a mid air collision of the Prithvi missiles. So its not all DDMitis. Yes, I wonder why that particular smoke screen? However, the initial report (that...
by saty
20 Nov 2006 18:59
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Kargil War Thread - VI
Replies: 1341
Views: 240814

RAMSEY wrote:Even though it is a tactical failure on this part for India against the TSP during the kargil due to limited stricutres of the status .


What exactly was the tactical failure, not getting him out? That can not be said conclusively as of yet. What else?
by saty
20 Nov 2006 17:38
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Kargil War Thread - VI
Replies: 1341
Views: 240814

I hope that whatever was done to avenge the torture and killing of our soldiers sent a strong enough message to the perpetrators so that these things don't happen again. I sure hope the response wasn't a namby-pamby one. Wild animals dont understand responses, as long as they live they can be expec...
by saty
20 Nov 2006 17:34
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Kargil War Thread - VI
Replies: 1341
Views: 240814

this is where the entebbe type situation with cooperative "enlightened" political+military thinking comes to mind... I have a question even prior to that one, did we know that Kalia was captured, for sure not missing, but captured. Which means that we knew for a fact that his platoon was ...
by saty
20 Nov 2006 16:44
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Kargil War Thread - VI
Replies: 1341
Views: 240814

i dont see any point in ramming digvijay for expressing an opinion that there should be an aggressive response to a typically barbaric tsp act.. if you dont have the right ideas, you can wring your hands in despair... why screw the poor chap for his views? Well Rajpa if that is all that Diggy boy h...
by saty
17 Nov 2006 15:00
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Kargil War Thread - VI
Replies: 1341
Views: 240814

Admins suprising what folks get away with on BRF these days!! :eek:

Tut tut.
by saty
17 Nov 2006 14:59
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Kargil War Thread - VI
Replies: 1341
Views: 240814

RayC Sir, I request and beg you not to reply to this Chap, after starting with general statements regarding all else exepct kshyatiyas were no men in India (in other threads) he is now making free ranging allegations of lack of courage against all and sundry. Responding to trolls will just encourage...
by saty
07 Nov 2006 15:58
Forum: Military Issues & History Forum
Topic: Kargil War Thread - VI
Replies: 1341
Views: 240814

ShibaPJ wrote:Of course, this would have meant a full-blown war, but a one-time surgery is probably less painful than some decades of chemo-therapy and patch-work.


Some times I really thank god that our much maligned politicans are what they are....
by saty
27 Jul 2006 15:39
Forum: Military Scenarios Archive
Topic: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - Part V
Replies: 320
Views: 124386

Dileep, brillant story! A cheery story in overcast Delhi monsoon... :-)

Ye dil mange more...
by saty
18 Nov 2005 15:59
Forum: Military Exercises Archive
Topic: Cope India 2005 - Kalaikunda AFS - Part I
Replies: 337
Views: 133953

Vishnu, Sir you are too good, although I am told you flirt a little too much with the ladies at the cocktail parties :-) at the bases, or do they flirt with you :-)
by saty
29 Aug 2005 15:59
Forum: Military Scenarios Archive
Topic: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - Part III
Replies: 326
Views: 163594

Err JTull why would US be picking a fight with US out of the blue? I guess there is more to the scenario than meets the eye!
by saty
12 Aug 2005 16:41
Forum: Military Scenarios Archive
Topic: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - Part III
Replies: 326
Views: 163594

cshankar wrote:Some one include a scenario where a Chinese Thrust from Tibet into Arunachal Pradesh and Bhutan perhaps.


Read Dragon fire and dragon strike by Humphery Hawskely :-)
by saty
08 Aug 2005 14:51
Forum: Military Scenarios Archive
Topic: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - Part III
Replies: 326
Views: 163594

.Ther was a long discussion - no one would ever know what transpired but 15 days there after large cargo liners flying the russain flag started anchoring 15 Days :shock: there is a full fledged war on, right, I guess a week of hostilites have already passed? It would be decided in that time any way...
by saty
05 Jul 2005 16:32
Forum: Military Scenarios Archive
Topic: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - Part II
Replies: 328
Views: 171671

But frankly the accidental death version is the one which could be highly probable by far...

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